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misquoting jesus

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  • #2
    Pompey Magnus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,406 ✭✭✭Pompey Magnus


    I believe that most Christians have now accepted that errors quite quickly made their way into the Bible and that as well as unintentional mistakes certain proto-orthodox scribes corrupted and altered scripture to justify their theological stance against other early non-orthodox beliefs (the non-orthodox Christians doing likewise it must be said).

    Incredibly it doesn't bother most Christians at all.


  • #3
    wolfsbane
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,980 ✭✭✭wolfsbane


    Jari wrote: »
    hi guys

    anyone saw this videos, it's truth what this professor is saying.

    any comments.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJluEnIqTVk&feature=related
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mKfHOncZHM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBtShL6LfoU&feature=related
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uw9tVd9iMOw&feature=related
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIuozqMvwUQ&feature=related

    thank you.
    You can read a helpful review here:
    http://evangelicaltextualcriticism.blogspot.com/2005/12/review-of-bart-ehrman-misquoting-jesus_31.html

    It's by:
    http://www.abdn.ac.uk/divinity/williams/index.shtml

    Essentially, it appreciates a lot of the sholarship, but finds his case fatally flawed.


  • #4
    PDN
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    Charco wrote: »
    I believe that most Christians have now accepted that errors quite quickly made their way into the Bible and that as well as unintentional mistakes certain proto-orthodox scribes corrupted and altered scripture to justify their theological stance against other early non-orthodox beliefs (the non-orthodox Christians doing likewise it must be said).

    Incredibly it doesn't bother most Christians at all.

    I don't think that represents the view of most Christians at all. What you have stated is the view of a number of liberal scholars - but their conclusions would be rejected by many, I would say almost certainly most, Christians.

    BTW, I generally don't bother watching video links in posts. Most of them tend to be crap and you waste up to 10 minutes or more watching someone make a point that could be made much better in writing that can be read in a quarter of the time.

    I think it would be much more helpful if posters would express their points of view in writing, which usually, but not always, indicates that the poster has taken time to try to understand what they are talking about. Of course some just still cut and paste stuff - but that's life.


  • #5
    Pompey Magnus
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    PDN wrote: »
    I don't think that represents the view of most Christians at all. What you have stated is the view of a number of liberal scholars - but their conclusions would be rejected by many, I would say almost certainly most, Christians.

    Now that I rethink it I believe you are correct, most ordinary Christians are indeed ignorant on the topic of the creation of their scriptures and the question of the struggle for dominance among opposing early Christian beliefs and you are probably quite right, most Christians probably do indeed believe that the scriptures they have today are exactly as the original authors intended them to be.


  • #6
    BrianCalgary
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    Charco wrote: »
    Now that I rethink it I believe you are correct, most ordinary Christians are indeed ignorant on the topic of the creation of their scriptures and the question of the struggle for dominance among opposing early Christian beliefs and you are probably quite right, most Christians probably do indeed believe that the scriptures they have today are exactly as the original authors intended them to be.

    Not at all. Most Christians that I know are well aware of the authenticity of the scripture documents and their accuracy. We are also aware that what we have today is what the author intended to say.

    I would suggest that you research teh origins of the Holy Bible yourself and you will come to teh same conclusion, as long as you do it with an open mind that is.


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  • #7
    Phototoxin
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    wasn't there something published recenrtly about how they foudn an old greek manuscript will clarify muhc of the bible ?


  • #8
    PDN
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    Phototoxin wrote: »
    wasn't there something published recenrtly about how they foudn an old greek manuscript will clarify muhc of the bible ?

    I think you are referring to the fact that they are printing online the text of an old Greek manuscript which scholars have already had access to for very many years. It is one of the manuscripts that helps make modern Bible translations more accurate and increases the confidence of many of us that the Bible has been transmitted and copied through the years with a very high degree of accuracy.


  • #9
    Jari
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27 ✭Jari


    PDN wrote: »
    I think you are referring to the fact that they are printing online the text of an old Greek manuscript which scholars have already had access to for very many years. It is one of the manuscripts that helps make modern Bible translations more accurate and increases the confidence of many of us that the Bible has been transmitted and copied through the years with a very high degree of accuracy.

    it's true they find a new manuscript very old in Egypt just recently. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7651105.stm


  • #10
    PDN
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,686 ✭✭✭✭PDN


    Jari wrote: »
    it's true they find a new manuscript very old in Egypt just recently. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7651105.stm

    Well, yes, if you think 200 years ago is 'just recently'.

    The full text of Codex Sinaiticus has been available in printed form to anyone who is interested since 1911. It has been extremely helpful in helping biblical scholars to reconstruct the biblical text accurately.


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