Fantasy Booking/Pushing

D.Q · 20-10-2008 8:49am #1

This came up in a thread last night. We were talking about the current crop of new wwe talent and the point was made that the talent was there but they were not being pushed in the right direction. Id like to talk about the ideas that people on this site have for the direction of new talent and how best to utilise new wrestlers such as cm punk, etc etc.

PERSONALLY... I think that the wwe needs some good ol fashioned factions. I think that they allow superstars to appear more powerful to the fans because of the 'pack' aspect of factions. Then when the faction has run its course, credible believable superstars will naturally emerge into the limelight. Its a slower building process but would surely reap rewards.

Anyone else have any ideas?

rovert · 20-10-2008 9:00am

Pushes for the sake of pushing young talent rarely works neither does factions for the sake of factions (Gang Warz anyone?)

D.Q · 20-10-2008 9:05am

you think it will happen naturally?

rovert · 20-10-2008 9:11am

DieselQueen wrote: »

you think it will happen naturally?

It being what?

The Four Horsemen happened naturally.

D.Q · 20-10-2008 9:15am

it being the establishment of a new "group"...

like the austin,rock,hhh,mankind,kane

,undertaker, of the nineties.

There doesnt seem to be any new talent of THAT calibre.

rovert · 20-10-2008 9:24am

DieselQueen wrote: »

it being the establishment of a new "group"...

like the austin,rock,hhh,mankind,kane,undertaker, of the nineties.

Dont remember that faction :P

DieselQueen wrote: »

There doesnt seem to be any new talent of THAT calibre.

Well HHH & Rock of 1996 didnt seem to be of THAT calibre.

D.Q · 20-10-2008 9:33am

thats exactly the point of the thread!

Who do people believe are the hidden gems? and how would you maximise the potential!

PretentiousApe · 20-10-2008 11:08am

I can't see myself enjoying watching any of the second tier wrestlers of today take the limelight over the next few years. Then again, Triple H, The Rock and Austin didn't seem like potentially brilliant characters when they first started out, as Rovert pointed out.

I'm beginning to think that the future of pro-wrestling lies in TNA.

rovert · 20-10-2008 11:46am

PretentiousApe wrote: »

I'm beginning to think that the future of pro-wrestling lies in TNA.

Jarrett
Nash
Foley
Sting
Booker

CMpunked · 20-10-2008 12:33pm

rovert wrote: »

Well HHH & Rock of 1996 didnt seem to be of THAT calibre.

Even look at Randy's debut from a few years back, i think he was against Bob Holly? He looked a mess and so face-like*shudder*.
And now we see what he has become.

PretentiousApe wrote: »

I'm beginning to think that the future of pro-wrestling lies in TNA.

I was thinking that a few year ago too.

In my mind they wouldnt be the future unless they start making a bit more money. But for what they are now, its pretty good.
They have nearly everything that a good promotion needs.

Good young wrestlers, nostalgia-filled "legends", creativeness. But they still seem to be lacking in some part.

D.Q · 20-10-2008 1:02pm

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

But they still seem to be lacking in some part.

I think, that might be the production of the shows themselves. If you could give the tna brand(what little iv watched of it) the wwe's budget as regard to pyro,titantrons, cameras arenas etc etc...

rovert · 20-10-2008 1:10pm

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

Good young wrestlers, nostalgia-filled "legends", creativeness. But they still seem to be lacking in some part.

:eek:

DieselQueen wrote: »

I think, that might be the production of the shows themselves. If you could give the tna brand(what little iv watched of it) the wwe's budget as regard to pyro,titantrons, cameras arenas etc etc...

They don’t need WWE's budget just a competent editor and director.

D.Q · 20-10-2008 1:14pm

rovert wrote: »

:eek:

They don’t need WWE's budget just a competent editor and director.

eh...this is a little off topic..... but, how do you quote from two different posts? haha:o

PretentiousApe · 20-10-2008 1:29pm

IN ALL FAIRNESS... That's a load of ****, Rovert. The WWE has millions of dollars to throw away on flashy, over-the-top entrances, overly-produced promos/segments and big venues. These things do help the WWE get one over on TNA. Kids are drawn into the WWE because of its recognisable image, it's pretty much a household name now. If TNA had millions to put into advertising campaigns, action figures, etc., it'd level the playing field.

Bubs101 · 20-10-2008 1:32pm

PretentiousApe wrote: »

IN ALL FAIRNESS... That's a load of ****, Rovert. The WWE has millions of dollars to throw away on flashy, over-the-top entrances, overly-produced promos/segments and big venues. These things do help the WWE get one over on TNA. Kids are drawn into the WWE because of its recognisable image, it's pretty much a household name now. If TNA had millions to put into advertising campaigns, action figures, etc., it'd level the playing field.

But the WWE make this money to throw away while TNA just hemmorage it. It's not as if the WWE had it easy going. They were in a war and they won. They even had to get above the territorial stage. Compared to the WWF in that time, TNA should have more of a chance

Machismo Fan · 20-10-2008 3:40pm

If anything WWE are over produced, I think they've lost that edgy feel they had in 2001.

Keith Mitchell will forever be the man who missed the most shots in wrestling. You wouldn't mind but he has years of experience.

rovert · 20-10-2008 5:37pm

PretentiousApe wrote: »

IN ALL FAIRNESS... That's a load of ****, Rovert. The WWE has millions of dollars to throw away on flashy, over-the-top entrances, overly-produced promos/segments and big venues. These things do help the WWE get one over on TNA. Kids are drawn into the WWE because of its recognisable image, it's pretty much a household name now. If TNA had millions to put into advertising campaigns, action figures, etc., it'd level the playing field.

IN ALL FAIRNESS... where did the poster I was replying to mention advertising? What use is throwing a load of money at product that turns away viewers with piss poor writing, editing, scripting, pacing and totally OTT commentary? Midway did in fact spend millions on advertising the TNA video game and TNA itself guess they didnt make their money back as the game got poor reviews. The moral of the story is fix internal problems (get all your ducks in a row) before you make any grand spending decisions. WCW went out of business due bad management and poor writing, editing, scripting, pacing etc not for the lack of money. It aint a money issue when it comes to TNA. The people who know about the product and watched it weekly are tuning out. Also TNA only seem to able to sell the same amount of PPVs every month regardless how their viewership has grown or declined.

CMpunked · 20-10-2008 7:58pm

rovert wrote: »

:eek:

6 sided ring. (yes i know it was a Japanese thing first).

X division

2 entrance ways.

etc etc.

rovert wrote: »

They don’t need WWE's budget just a competent editor and director.

Well to do that they might need some of WWE's budget.

rovert · 20-10-2008 8:13pm

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

6 sided ring. (yes i know it was a Japanese thing first).

X division

2 entrance ways.

etc etc.

So these are you examples of creativeness?

The Six Side Ring came from AAA in Mexico actually

The X division came from the WCW Cruiserweight and what going on in ROH NWA Wildside, ECWA & ROH. The X division has become so devalued since it's hey of 02-06.

WCW had two entrance ways.

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

Well to do that they might need some of WWE's budget.

Nope most Indy companies and television programs have better editing.

ShawnRaven · 20-10-2008 8:38pm

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

Well to do that they might need some of WWE's budget.

No they don't, they just need to find some talented, unselfish people with a love for the business that are willing to lend their time for little or no money.

Problem there is, in business, that rarely happens.
Now repeat after me.

Pro Wrestling is a business, and people get into business to make money!

CMpunked · 20-10-2008 8:43pm

Sorry, i should have been more specific with that, i meant the ultimate X style matches.

rovert wrote: »

So these are you examples of creativeness?
The Six Side Ring came from AAA in Mexico actually

How many other non-indy promotions in america uses them?

rovert wrote: »

The X division came from the WCW Cruiserweight and what going on in ROH NWA Wildside, ECWA & ROH. The X division has become so devalued since it's hey of 02-06.

See above

rovert wrote: »

WCW had two entrance ways.

And do they anymore?

rovert wrote: »

Nope most Indy companies and television programs have better editing.

Thats because tv shows have a massive money to spend, given by the networks in america.

rovert · 20-10-2008 8:51pm

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

Sorry, i should have been more specific with that, i meant the ultimate X style matches.

It was creative but the match was put on too often and it hasnt meant much business wise.

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

How many other non-indy promotions in america uses them?

See above

And do they anymore?

What has answering these questions got to do with TNA's creativity extactly.

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

Thats because tv shows have a massive money to spend, given by the networks in america.

I wasnt talking about major network productions backed my major money. Name me a program with worse editing?

CMpunked · 20-10-2008 9:08pm

rovert wrote: »

I wasnt talking about major network productions backed my major money. Name me a program with worse editing?

The early friends series.

rovert · 20-10-2008 9:14pm

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

The early friends series.

So breaths, pauses and the like were edited out on those series?

CMpunked · 20-10-2008 9:18pm

rovert wrote: »

So breaths, pauses and the like were edited out on those series?

Not sure what you mean here dude?

rovert · 20-10-2008 9:31pm

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

Not sure what you mean here dude?

Ever watch Karen's angle?

Fozzy · 20-10-2008 9:35pm

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

Not sure what you mean here dude?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXeF-vQCois

My god, I was thinking that the bad editing wouldn't start for a minute or so

EDIT: The Mick Foley one was even worse :pac:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jC0eCrG3RT4

Hahaha, he says that Jarrett had incredible courage to acknowledge that he founded TNA. How can that be taken in a good way?

CMpunked · 20-10-2008 9:36pm

rovert wrote: »

Ever watch Karen's angle?

Nope, never heard of it?

rovert · 20-10-2008 9:37pm

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

Nope, never heard of it?

Yet you are defending TNA, you are nearly as bad as KKV.

ShawnRaven · 20-10-2008 9:38pm

Karen Angle trying to be Oprah Winfrey on TNA. It tanked rapidly and she was fired after about a month afterwards.

ShawnRaven · 20-10-2008 9:40pm

Fozzy wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXeF-vQCois

My god, I was thinking that the bad editing wouldn't start for a minute or so

I actually hadn't seen that one in particular, that's fairly bad. Some of the other ones were done a lot better, but that one reminds me of one of those really bad documentary on the City Channel (dont think folk outside Dublin get that, and if they did, they probably wouldn't watch it anyway).

rovert · 20-10-2008 9:42pm

Fozzy wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXeF-vQCois

My god, I was thinking that the bad editing wouldn't start for a minute or so

EDIT: The Mick Foley one was even worse :pac:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jC0eCrG3RT4

Hahaha, he says that Jarrett had incredible courage to acknowledge that he founded TNA. How can that be taken in a good way?

:pac::pac::pac:

This my favourite:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzZt3m-gxRY

Fozzy · 20-10-2008 9:46pm

rovert wrote: »

:pac::pac::pac:

This my favourite:

Look at my edit so you can finally post Youtube videos correctly :pac:

Abyss doing the Heidenreich gimmick?

rovert · 20-10-2008 9:48pm

Here is where I find humour in TNA they the **** out of Karen's Angle but they dont let Nash catch his breath before cutting a promo then edit that little break out. So you just have the match and promo when it airs. Instead they have have the promo directly after the match:

Bare in mind Nash wrestled like a minute here, he is so out of shape.

ShawnRaven · 20-10-2008 9:48pm

And Kurt wonders why Karen got fired?

ShawnRaven · 20-10-2008 9:51pm

rovert wrote: »

Bare in mind Nash wrestled like a minute here, he is so out of shape.

Well they don't call him Big Lazy for nothing

rovert · 20-10-2008 9:56pm

ShawnRaven wrote: »

Well they don't call him Big Lazy for nothing

You will LOL here:

The/A reason why Samoa Joe got burried as Champion was he spent six months negoitating his new contract with TNA. Basically he got the "upper hand" in the deal and TNA resended that. Nash signed a new contract a month ago with TNA with little actual bother. Guess who now is paid more? Kevin F'N Nash. :pac:

ShawnRaven · 20-10-2008 9:59pm

rovert wrote: »

You will LOL here:

The/A reason why Samoa Joe got burried as Champion was he spent six months negoitating his new contract with TNA. Basically he got the "upper hand" in the deal and TNA resended that. Nash signed a new contract a month ago with TNA with little actual bother. Guess who now is paid more? Kevin F'N Nash. :pac:

Doesn't surprise me at all, that's why i love Kevin Nash, he's a lazy sh*t but manages to get away with it every time. He's who i aspire to be.

Remember kids, hard work pays off later, but laziness pays off now.

rovert · 20-10-2008 10:05pm

ShawnRaven wrote: »

Doesn't surprise me at all, that's why i love Kevin Nash, he's a lazy sh*t but manages to get away with it every time. He's who i aspire to be.

Remember kids, hard work pays off later, but laziness pays off now.

Joe hurls himself off balconys to get paid and Nash just watches snuff films backstage. Legend

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