Raw Season 2

darc

Little birdie confirmed to me that Raw Season 2 has been commissioned.

IMO, it was one of the best drama's to air on Irish TV and it will be interesting to see where the second series goes.

darkdubh

darc wrote: »

Little birdie confirmed to me that Raw Season 2 has been commissioned.

IMO, it was one of the best drama's to air on Irish TV and it will be interesting to see where the second series goes.

I thought it was a great big steaming dog turd.Made the big bow wow look like a masterpiece.

Bagheera

darkdubh wrote: »

I thought it was a great big steaming dog turd.Made the big bow wow look like a masterpiece.

Have to agree. I watched it out of nothing else to watch at the time. The acting was terrible and forced. The accents were awful especially yer man, JoJo's brother 'Ah cmon neow Jeo Jeo'.

K4t

Everytime I heard Jojo speak I wanted to hit her. Where the f**k was she unfortunate enough to have lived to pick it up. :eek:

Raw almost makes the clinic seem watchable.

Thank God for HBO and box-sets is all I can say.

dulpit

I thought it was quite decent for RTE... A second series makes sense, seen as the first had a fairly open ended ending...

I do expect most people here to diss the show though...

Utopia Parkway

darc wrote: »

Little birdie confirmed to me that Raw Season 2 has been commissioned.

IMO, it was one of the best drama's to air on Irish TV and it will be interesting to see where the second series goes.

It was alright by RTE's standards anyway. Nowhere near as good as Pure Mule say but a lot better than The Big Bow Wow (wouldn't be hard in fairness).

lucylu

I watched the 1st episode and then refused to watch it.. nearly every ad break during the week between the first and second episode had an ad for it in it... :mad: they are doing the same with the Clinic

AnonoBoy

lucylu wrote: »

I watched the 1st episode and then refused to watch it.. nearly every ad break during the week between the first and second episode had an ad for it in it... :mad: they are doing the same with the Clinic

How dare they advertise their own shows? Bastards.

Raw was alright - not brilliant but not complete ****e. It was by no means as bad as The Big Bow Wow.

Oh and Jo-Jo is from Monaghan - it's a great accent. I'll hear not a bad word said against my future wife!

scargill

K4t wrote: »

Everytime I heard Jojo speak I wanted to hit her. Where the f**k was she unfortunate enough to have lived to pick it up. :eek:

Raw almost makes the clinic seem watchable.

Thank God for HBO and box-sets is all I can say.

she's from Monaghan.

I like both of these programmes!

Ciaran B

Excellent news. More Bobby, Jo-Jo and Rebekkah please.

Cork Exile

Not a great show but very watchable and no where near as terrible as the big bow wow. Good to see RTE giving it a chance.
I love her accent. Something very cute about it. As for the negative comments towards the accents, if you just want to hear Dublin accents on tv switch over to Fair city.
Now can they just get Mal to say 'I want a lock of soup sur!!!' like a true Donegal man would lol

Posy

JoJo annoyed me because she started almost every episode moaning about how hung-over she was. It seemed RTE were like 'wow, look they do drugs and get drunk and stuff. Cool. What amazing lives they lead...' Also her diction (not her accent) made it hard for me to understand her at times. She didn't enunciate her words very well. I didn't feel the characters were fleshed out enough to hold my interest. I watched it through to the end but wasn't really bothered by the outcome. It was watchable and had some good parts but was nothing great. It was all a bit anti-climatic after RTE's 'will Ireland be ready for such gratuitous drugs and sex scenes being on TV? Yes, we were thanks.

Does anyone know where the exterior of RAW was filmed?

claiva

just saw "Bobby" and "Shane" in HMV buying xbox games.........
Hopefully that means the show is being filmed soon ?


Or, they just happen to hang out together....

TvWatcher

i thought it was nicely enough made and very watchable. would happily take a second series

amacachi

claiva wrote: »

just saw "Bobby" and "Shane" in HMV buying xbox games.........
Hopefully that means the show is being filmed soon ?


Or, they just happen to hang out together....

Original XBox games? Times must be tough :P

PopBeloved

'Raw' had the same problem all RTE dramas have: it was overseen by people who just don't get television drama. The better writers end up making a series of short films (Prosperity, Pure Mule) and the lesser writers collapse in exhaustion by the third episode which is exactly the fate that befell 'Raw'. The writer(s) had no idea what to do with the premise save for loading it with ten-a-penny soap opera dynamics.

Original XBox games? Times must be tough

They're actors; times are always tough.

Borneo Fnctn

Caderyn wrote: »

Does anyone know where the exterior of RAW was filmed?

Camden Street. Why do you ask?

Elmo

PopBeloved wrote: »

'Raw' had the same problem all RTE dramas have: it was overseen by people who just don't get television drama. The better writers end up making a series of short films (Prosperity, Pure Mule) and the lesser writers collapse in exhaustion by the third episode which is exactly the fate that befell 'Raw'. The writer(s) had no idea what to do with the premise save for loading it with ten-a-penny soap opera dynamics.

Yeah it is a fairly average show, and average writters also suffer from the lack of other drama and people constantly refering to Pure Mule, Prosperity and Batchelor's walk :rolleyes: and others stating it better then most of RTÉ attempts at Drama :rolleyes:

Very average not worth recommission unless they plan another series to go out with it.

PopBeloved

average writters also suffer from the lack of other drama and people constantly refering to Pure Mule, Prosperity and Batchelor's walk

I'm not sure I understand you, Elmo. It certainly doesn't help a writer's ego to be compared to better programmes but it might spur him or her on to be a better writer. And while I think Pure Mule and Prosperity were better than Raw and the like, neither were competing with the best of British or American television: Pure Mule was powered by ten-a-penny soap opera dynamics too and Prosperity's 'Beckett in Finglas' aesthetic turned out something that was quite condescending.

Elmo

PopBeloved wrote: »

I'm not sure I understand you, Elmo. It certainly doesn't help a writer's ego to be compared to better programme's but it might spur him or her on to be a better writer. And while I think Pure Mule and Prosperity were better than Raw and the like, neither were competing with the best of British or American television:

I have to disagree with that completely. Looking at American TV at the moment we have a set of Female, male and long running Detective dramas. Pure Mule as a mini-serial works far better then Grey's Anotomy, 24(and I am a fan of 24), Desparate Housewives, CSI franchise, Law and Order Franchise etc etc (I exclude HBO and Showtime serials such as The Wire, Sex and The City, Dexter etc which are far beyond most American Network serials).

Lets look at English TV which is swamped with badly acted soap opera, and drama far past their sell-by-dates which now act like "ten-a-penny soap opera dynamics" I talk of The Bill, Casualty, Heartbeat and other such ****. (I exclude many of the great mini-serials produced by both the BBC and C4 over the last number of years but I think Pure Mule stands up quite well against them).

I don't think you quite understand that Irish Viewers are far more critical of Irish Fiction since very little of it exists and that which is available often either exceeds expectations or totally cements the audiences view that we can't do drama, both of which are total incorrect views to have on Irish drama.

Raw is as good as Grey's Anatomy and even 24, if you enjoy it you enjoy but all 3 dramas are very very very very AVERAGE.

RTÉ TWO will need another drama to prop Raw up, it is as you say far to easy a drama to return to the air without anything to compare it to or to help the writers improve their technique (competition).

Pure Mule was powered by ten-a-penny soap opera dynamics too and Prosperity's 'Beckett in Finglas' aesthetic turned out something that was quite condescending.

Overly critical of two dramas which surpass many of the dramas currently on the air. Many of which can be as condescending to their audience on serveral levels, 24 is condescending to Democrats and those againist the war in Iraq while Grey's Anatomy condescends to the weepy melodrama astethics of American soap opera and dresses it up in Guggi, while operating on those so called "ten-a-penny soap opera dynamics".

While not a fan of Soap whats the problem with some Irish drama doing what works and doing it well?

PopBeloved

I have to disagree with that completely. Looking at American TV at the moment we have a set of Female, male and long running Detective dramas. Pure Mule as a mini-serial works far better then Grey's Anotomy, 24(and I am a fan of 24), Desparate Housewives, CSI franchise, Law and Order Franchise etc etc (I exclude HBO and Showtime serials such as The Wire, Sex and The City, Dexter etc which are far beyond most American Network serials).

Lets look at English TV which is swamped with badly acted soap opera, and drama far past their sell-by-dates which now act like "ten-a-penny soap opera dynamics" I talk of The Bill, Casualty, Heartbeat and other such ****. (I exclude many of the great mini-serials produced by both the BBC and C4 over the last number of years but I think Pure Mule stands up quite well against them).

But I said "neither were competing with the best of British or American television" so I don't understand why you're excluding the best series and then comparing the Irish examples to the rest. Take, say, the recent Channel 4 mini-series 'Red Riding' and compare it to 'Pure Mule'. As much as I would like to say otherwise, 'Pure Mule' isn't playing in the same league as 'Red Riding'; it's not even playing the same sport. And it doesn't take a literary adaptation on Channel 4 to throw 'Pure Mule' into sharp relief. Take any five episodes of Terminator and you'll see the writers bury much further into their characters than 'Pure Mule' did. These kind of series are the ones I was comparing the best of Irish to.

I don't think you quite understand that Irish Viewers are far more critical of Irish Fiction since very little of it exists and that which is available often either exceeds expectations or totally cements the audiences view that we can't do drama, both of which are total incorrect views to have on Irish drama.

I think Irish viewers are critical of Irish drama because they can flip the channel and see something from another country that's much better and think "Why can't 'Raw' be like this? Why does 'Raw' need two love triangles and raging, violent fights between characters we barely know?" I mean, there is truth to the notion that the people developing television drama don't understand television drama as RTÉ dramas make the same mistakes over and over (too many characters, an aversion to proper plotting, blunt and humourless dialogue), so it's hard to criticise casual viewers for thinking that, even if Ireland is bursting with capable writers.

Many of which can be as condescending to their audience on serveral levels, 24 is condescending to Democrats and those againist the war in Iraq while Grey's Anatomy condescends to the weepy melodrama astethics of American soap opera and dresses it up in Guggi, while operating on those so called "ten-a-penny soap opera dynamics".

I don't watch those programmes so I can't speak but, again, they weren't whom I was talking about.

While not a fan of Soap whats the problem with some Irish drama doing what works and doing it well?

There's no problem with making a soap and making it well. I will disagree, though, if one tell me it's high-end. There's merit to a good caricature but I don't want it sold to me as a Caravaggio

Elmo

PopBeloved wrote: »

But I said "neither were competing with the best of British or American television" so I don't understand why you're excluding the best series and then comparing the Irish examples to the rest. Take, say, the recent Channel 4 mini-series 'Red Riding' and compare it to 'Pure Mule'. As much as I would like to say otherwise, 'Pure Mule' isn't playing in the same league as 'Red Riding'; it's not even playing the same sport. And it doesn't take a literary adaptation on Channel 4 to throw 'Pure Mule' into sharp relief. Take any five episodes of Terminator and you'll see the writers bury much further into their characters than 'Pure Mule' did. These kind of series are the ones I was comparing the best of Irish to.

Terminator is no more than 24 dress up as a Female action hero, i.e. Fox television aimed at men. I haven't seen the lastest season but the first season while good didn't even get me think it was any better than the movie franchise, which in all honest was simple just a Hollywood blockbuster. I will look forward to the second series but thats about all. So far IMO Pure Mule is still better than Terminator but I will let you know when I catch the new series.

I didn't see red riding, I thought the critics slaughtered it so I cannot compare and to be honest I probably wouldn't try to compare.

I think Irish viewers are critical of Irish drama because they can flip the channel and see something from another country that's much better and think "Why can't 'Raw' be like this? Why does 'Raw' need two love triangles and raging, violent fights between characters we barely know?" I mean, there is truth to the notion that the people developing television drama don't understand television drama as RTÉ dramas make the same mistakes over and over (too many characters, an aversion to proper plotting, blunt and humourless dialogue), so it's hard to criticise casual viewers for thinking that, even if Ireland is bursting with capable writers.

I don't think so if you look at what people are watching. I don't see how they could think that people think that those foreign productions are any better then Raw by thinking "Why can't 'Raw' be like this? Why does 'Raw' need two love triangles and raging, violent fights between characters we barely know?" since this happens on so many occasions in US TV drama (again here talking about Network TV) and English Soap Opera. TBH you have possible over analyzed RAW, which I refused to do from the outset simple because it was so Average.

Also I do agree RAW should have been developed better than it was, never said any different.

I don't watch those programmes so I can't speak but, again, they weren't whom I was talking about.

Those are the programmes people watch and those are the show people are comparing RAW to.

There's no problem with making a soap and making it well. I will disagree, though, if one tell me it's high-end. There's merit to a good caricature but I don't want it sold to me as a Caravaggio

I think that you are very hard on Pure Mule (certainly not on RAW). I think Pure Mule does go beyond the Casualties and the Grey's Anatomies of the TV world, Pure Mule is a step above them. Indeed TG4's The Running Mate was an excellent Political Drama/Satire.

RAW was never made out to be something more than soap, neither was The Big Bow Wow, while RAW is doing it better both did Soap exceptionally well. Viewers and Critics just expected more.

I plan on watching Pure Mule during the week since I just got a copy of it, and I am looking forward to catching it again.

I would be happy to recomend Pure Mule to anyone and RAW to any Grey's Anatomy fan.

PopBeloved

Elmo, you're arguing straight past me. I said in my first post that the best Irish dramas don't compete well with the best American and British dramas. Then I said three times in the following post that the best Irish dramas don't compete well with the best American and British dramas. I don't see why you're bringing up middle of the road British and American series when I'm not talking about them.

I don't see how they could think that people think that those foreign productions are any better then Raw by thinking "Why can't 'Raw' be like this? Why does 'Raw' need two love triangles and raging, violent fights between characters we barely know?" since this happens on so many occasions in US TV drama (again here talking about Network TV) and English Soap Opera.

But they do say that. For whatever reasons, a fair share of the response to 'Raw' was "(Compared to the other things I watch) this should be better" Maybe the naysayers, who were the only people we were talking about originally, only take breaks from The Singing Detective to watch Mad Men. Maybe the veggie out in front of ER. Whichever way, they think 'Raw' is below the standard they're used to.

Those are the programmes people watch and those are the show people are comparing RAW to.

Yes, but they weren't who I was talking about. And in that part of the conversation, I was talking about 'Pure Mule' and 'Prosperity', not 'Raw', so I don't know why you're bringing it up now.

I think Pure Mule does go beyond the Casualties and the Grey's Anatomies of the TV world and if they are the top end then Pure Mule is a step above them.

I wasn't calling the Casualtys and Grey's Anatomys top end; I explicitly said they weren't. I said, in response to you asking me what's wrong with a well-made soap like 'Pure Mule', that a well-made soap is fine and enjoyable but it isn't high-end. If my five minutes of Grey's Anatomy are anything to go by, then, yes, 'Pure Mule' was better but that's still not much of an accreditation.

Terminator is no more than 24 dress up as a Female action hero, i.e. Fox television aimed at men.

The last episode I watched called 'Some Must Watch While Some Must Sleep' had the kind of character introspection an RTÉ drama would kill for if it was something it valued over affairs after affairs and addressing Pressing Social Concerns.

Elmo

I don't see why you're bringing up middle of the road British and American series when I'm not talking about them.

Because that is what people are comparing RAW and Pure Mule too, they are suggesting that both of these shows are worse then Grey's Anatomy/24, while I cannot see that, and feel that they are being overly hard on Irish Drama since they seem to be expecting a show like The Wire (which is rare) or Prime Suspect (again rare). Oh I know that it makes no sense to compare it to 24 and think you should be getting The Wire.

Yes, but they weren't who I was talking about. And in that part of the conversation, I was talking about 'Pure Mule' and 'Prosperity', not 'Raw', so I don't know why you're bringing it up now.

Title of thread. I am saying that RAW is as good as most US and English Dramas while both Pure Mule and Prosperity is above most US and English Drama. The best Irish Drama lies between Grey's and The Wire or Mistresses and Prime Suspect.

Elmo

PopBeloved wrote: »

The last episode I watched called 'Some Must Watch While Some Must Sleep' had the kind of character introspection an RTÉ drama would kill for if it was something it valued over affairs after affairs and addressing Pressing Social Concerns.

I will get the show out on DVD later in the year, but the first season ruined T2 on me, with the flash backs. Sarah in the series makes Linda Hamilton look like a good actress. Better than the 3rd movie.

Also money is a factor, while not wanting to bring up money since scripting should be paramount regardless of production costs. How many writers on Terminator, a network drama?

marko91

hmm as i clicked onto this thread i expected mostly positive comments but most of you seem to hate raw:eek:i loved it and im glad there is a new season coming:D

Elmo

PopBeloved wrote: »

the lesser writers collapse in exhaustion by the third episode which is exactly the fate that befell 'Raw'.

TBH your being very kind there the show fell at episode one.

Elmo

marko91 wrote: »

hmm as i clicked onto this thread i expected mostly positive comments but most of you seem to hate raw:eek:i loved it and im glad there is a new season coming:D

It just wasn't anything special.

claiva

jeesus,
relax............my god...............
RAW was good.....albeit for Irish telly.
Maybe not in the same league as the Wire etc but thats not the point.
The show was good and a lot of people are Happy that it looks like a second series is gonna be made.

Elmo

claiva wrote: »

jeesus,
relax............my god...............
RAW was good.....albeit for Irish telly.
Maybe not in the same league as the Wire etc but thats not the point.
The show was good and a lot of people are Happy that it looks like a second series is gonna be made.

:rolleyes:

It's good for most telly not just Irish Telly :rolleyes:

mknotaro

Hey!

Don't want to start the war of words about Raw, but I may by the act of posting.

Anyway passed by the building used as the face of the restaurant - it was all rawed up - with the internal neon 'raw' over the door, and the raw restaurant sign fixed under the clock - plus strange production types hangin around outside.

A second series, whether you liked it or not, or wanted it or not, is obviously going to hit screens in September!

marko91

mknotaro wrote: »

Hey!

Don't want to start the war of words about Raw, but I may by the act of posting.

Anyway passed by the building used as the face of the restaurant - it was all rawed up - with the internal neon 'raw' over the door, and the raw restaurant sign fixed under the clock - plus strange production types hangin around outside.

A second series, whether you liked it or not, or wanted it or not, is obviously going to hit screens in September!

i heared its on camden street....where on camden street?

Elmo

marko91 wrote: »

i heared its on camden street....where on camden street?

The sign is still outside (But they are currently filming the second series). It is up by PAN TV.

Peewee_lane

I absolutely loved this programme and I heard today that its coming back.

Watched it from start to finish and then the re-runs. Quality, best improved irish programme, good acting and decent storyline. Season 1 has built up well to season 2 so Im looking forward to more Jo-jo and the return of Mal...

trapper09

Does anyone know when the new season starts?

Since it's supposed to be Autumn, I assumed it would be September. But here we are, and I still don't see any sign of a premiere date.

Elmo

trapper09 wrote: »

Does anyone know when the new season starts?

Since it's supposed to be Autumn, I assumed it would be September. But here we are, and I still don't see any sign of a premiere date.

It seems to be moving to RTÉ ONE. So it might take over from the Clinic in December. But I could be wrong and it could be starting in October on RTÉ TWO.

ziedth

IMHO you only have to look at the reruns of pure mule to see how shoddy the writing in RAW was. For example I think most people could identify a character in pure mule to someone they know in their own lives while I think the characters in Raw just seemed to be very very sterotyped (Polish worker/Wanker chef/D4 Bitch Etc).

I would personally have prefered a season 2 of pure mule as opposed to the one off special.

Having said that I did enjoy RAW when it was on I think Charlene McKenna is always good in what she is in and I did like Mal in it. I'll watch season 2 alright but lets just say i'm not anticipating it as much as the new season of Lost :D:D.

Elmo

ziedth wrote: »

IMHO you only have to look at the reruns of pure mule to see how shoddy the writing in RAW was. For example I think most people could identify a character in pure mule to someone they know in their own lives while I think the characters in Raw just seemed to be very very sterotyped (Polish worker/Wanker chef/D4 Bitch Etc).

I would personally have prefered a season 2 of pure mule as opposed to the one off special.

Having said that I did enjoy RAW when it was on I think Charlene McKenna is always good in what she is in and I did like Mal in it. I'll watch season 2 alright but lets just say i'm not anticipating it as much as the new season of Lost :D:D.

I think you are talking about 2 different animals. Pure Mule is a much more reflexive drama, showing Ireland as it is. RAW is a standard romantic drama that we have seen in Mistress, Private Practice and other types of programming.

ziedth

Elmo wrote: »

I think you are talking about 2 different animals. Pure Mule is a much more reflexive drama, showing Ireland as it is. RAW is a standard romantic drama that we have seen in Mistress, Private Practice and other types of programming.

Its a fair point, I'd look at them both from an RTE Drama point of view but I see where you are coming from.

hyperbaby

Sorry for bumping an old thread.
Does anyone have any clue when Season 2 is coming out on DVD?
I'm hoping to buy it for someone for Christmas and I can't find it anywhere online.

Elmo

hyperbaby wrote: »

Sorry for bumping an old thread.
Does anyone have any clue when Season 2 is coming out on DVD?
I'm hoping to buy it for someone for Christmas and I can't find it anywhere online.

Best bet is to contact RTÉ.

Complete box set Series 1 - 7 of the Clinic is available http://www.buy4now.ie/rte/aspx/productdetail.aspx?pid=1289&loc=P&catid=7.5

hyperbaby

Okay, i will try and find the correct email address and ask them!

bodhrandude

hyperbaby wrote: »

Okay, i will try and find the correct email address and ask them!

Sorry for bumping this again, I had trouble trying to find the RAW DVD box set today in Galway I thought season 1 would have been readily available, have tried both HMV and Zhivago but no joy, every shop is screaming at me to buy Love and Hate which is too violent I reckon for my sister. hyperbaby any joy finding that dvd set?

noveltea

I got RAW Series 1 of amazon. I did not think that RAW Series 2 was realeased yet.

Elmo

I haven't seen either RAW season 2 or 3 on DVD. Season 3 is currently being repeated on RTÉ One.

info@rte.ie

http://shop.rte.ie/category/Drama%20%20TV%20%20Film/2220.4

hyperbaby

bodhrandude wrote: »

Sorry for bumping this again, I had trouble trying to find the RAW DVD box set today in Galway I thought season 1 would have been readily available, have tried both HMV and Zhivago but no joy, every shop is screaming at me to buy Love and Hate which is too violent I reckon for my sister. hyperbaby any joy finding that dvd set?

No i gave up ages ago. I kinda forgot about this gift idea actually.

kc66

Is there another season in the pipeline?

Elmo

kc66 wrote: »

Is there another season in the pipeline?

Yeah it will start in the New Year.