Tickmaster cancel tickets if bought from ebay

Truss

Ticketmaster state they will cancel a ticket if it is sold on by the original holder, does this mean any ticket sold on ebay is then cancelled?

I know rules on this forum state a ban for discussing ticket sales but I hope this question is valid, the tickets on ebay are twice face value price. Apologies if this is not a valid question.

Quint

Hope they do. But how will they know? I know a Leinster "fan" was put into a draw for an ireland 6 nations ticket (season ticket holders are put into a draw) and they could see the ticket number and knew who was issued the ticket. His season ticket was cancelled and he was banned brom buying leinster and ireland rugby tickets ever again! PRoper order!
I found a site today that seems to be set up purely for touts to sell! I'd never pay over the odds, don't want to give them the satisfaction

Truss

Just to mention on this one too...I'm not the one trying to sell any tickets, its me buying (though don't think I'm gonna go through with it) for a concert my GF is mad to go to so its annoying when I couldn't get them from Ticketmaster but then they come up on ebay...don't know what to do...don't want to obviously encourage it...

Bluetonic

Truss wrote: »

Ticketmaster state they will cancel a ticket if it is sold on by the original holder

Where do they state that?

Seems strange considering they own and run www.getmein.com

Don't forget there is nothing illegal about selling on tickets at higher than face value.

Waxing the Gaza

Truss wrote: »

...don't know what to do...don't want to obviously encourage it...

Depends on how much you want to go to the event, sometimes a tout is the only option.....

Truss

Ticketmaster policy: Scroll down - Ticket Terms & Conditions

http://www.ticketmaster.ie/legal/purchase.html

It states: "If this ticket is re-sold or transferred for profit or commercial gain by anyone other than the Promoter, Venue Management, Ticketmaster or one of their authorised sub-agents, it will become voidable and the holder may be refused entry to or ejected from the venue. Ticketmaster reserves the right to cancel any tickets advertised or published in any manner with the intent to resell for profit or commercial gain."

Quint

Truss, don't buy off a tout! I hate them sooooo much! They're the scum of the earth. I hope they're left with 100s of tickets thay can't sell.

Quint

Bluetonic wrote: »

Where do they state that?

Seems strange considering they own and run www.getmein.com

Don't forget there is nothing illegal about selling on tickets at higher than face value.

Never saw that site before, ticketmaster are a disgrace. Monty Burns actually does own them

Truss

Quint, I know mate...it's my morals vs love for girlfriend...what do I do...? She's mad to go...**** dude...

JJ

Get her something more affordable as well as a vibrator. If she doesn't like the gift, she can go f*ck herself.

AnonoBoy

If there's a picture of the ticket with the barcode showing them ticketmaster will cancell that ticket. That's why you see people blacking out the barcodes on photos on ebay.

Try toutless.com if you're looking for tickets.

lordgoat

Toutless and ask nicely

JJ

Surely Ticketmaster are too busy counting their service charges to be spending time searching for people selling tickets on eBay and cancelling them.

cormie

Truss wrote: »

Ticketmaster policy: Scroll down - Ticket Terms & Conditions

http://www.ticketmaster.ie/legal/purchase.html

It states: "If this ticket is re-sold or transferred for profit or commercial gain by anyone other than the Promoter, Venue Management, Ticketmaster or one of their authorised sub-agents, it will become voidable and the holder may be refused entry to or ejected from the venue. Ticketmaster reserves the right to cancel any tickets advertised or published in any manner with the intent to resell for profit or commercial gain."

So does "commercial gain" include giving tickets away in competitions since the reason most people do this is for "commercial gain" in a roundabout way, down the road, I wonder? I thought this rule was only brought in at Tom Waits?

garthv

cormie wrote: »

So does "commercial gain" include giving tickets away in competitions since the reason most people do this is for "commercial gain" in a roundabout way, down the road, I wonder? I thought this rule was only brought in at Tom Waits?

Naa Ticketmaster have had this rule for quite some time now.

Oral Slang

garthv wrote: »

Naa Ticketmaster have had this rule for quite some time now.

Did anyone see that play.com are now selling tickets too. It must be like Play Trade, but what's the story with the prices? I checked out a good few of the gigs that tickets are available for and the prices are mental, especially considering the gigs aren't even sold out!

http://www.play.com/Tickets/TicketsEvent/-/966/1215/3-/GenreBrowse.html

PADDYPOKER

Costs them nothing and if the tickets can be sold at those prices they are happy.

A word of warning to people buying tickets from any source.
If a concert gets cancelled and the tickets were bought on a credit card, the refund will ONLY go to the person who paid for the tickets.
So if you are not the person that bought the tickets, then unless you know the seller very well, it's unlikely you will get your money back.

Red Mosquito

Not sure if they can do that on ebay as they upport ticket touts on other platforms. Check out www.getmein.com which Ticketmaster owns and promotes through their own site!! http://www.getmein.com/

Bluetonic

See post 4 :rolleyes:

Fighting Irish

Quint wrote: »

Hope they do. But how will they know? I know a Leinster "fan" was put into a draw for an ireland 6 nations ticket (season ticket holders are put into a draw) and they could see the ticket number and knew who was issued the ticket. His season ticket was cancelled and he was banned brom buying leinster and ireland rugby tickets ever again! PRoper order!
I found a site today that seems to be set up purely for touts to sell! I'd never pay over the odds, don't want to give them the satisfaction

supply and demand

if someone wants to pay big money for something who are we to stop them, stupid people throw away money every day of the week

if companies can use supply and demand why can't we

Has anybody ever heard of this happening to anybody they know (the tickets getting cancelled that is)? I bought tickets off ebay for my GF for xmas. The tickets where shown in the picture on ebay. If the tickets where to be cancelled would ebay email the original seller telling them or are you just refused entry at the gig on the night? Also how would they know at the door if the tickets have been cancelled?

Keith186

Deleted User wrote: »

Has anybody ever heard of this happening to anybody they know (the tickets getting cancelled that is)? I bought tickets off ebay for my GF for xmas. The tickets where shown in the picture on ebay. If the tickets where to be cancelled would ebay email the original seller telling them or are you just refused entry at the gig on the night? Also how would they know at the door if the tickets have been cancelled?

Yeah happened to a mate who bought one of somebody outside.

They scan each ticket on the way into the event so they will definitely know if it was cancelled or not.

If the tickets shown on ebay are the exact ones you got you might have a problem.

Don't know what ebay would do about it either, sure then if you got into the gig you could just tell ebay you didn't so I don't think they'll do anything about it.

The Hustler

Ticketb*stard

Keith186

Keith186 wrote: »

Yeah happened to a mate who bought one of somebody outside.

They scan each ticket on the way into the event so they will definitely know if it was cancelled or not.

If the tickets shown on ebay are the exact ones you got you might have a problem.

Don't know what ebay would do about it either, sure then if you got into the gig you could just tell ebay you didn't so I don't think they'll do anything about it.

Some gigs I go too they just tear off the stub of the ticket instead of scanning it so there wouldn't be any problems if they did that would there??? Also this gig is in a small venue as well not one of the bigger venues in Dublin.


Which barcode is it they scan? the one on the right of the ticket or the one on the stub of the ticket?

rubadub

Truss wrote: »

Ticketmaster state they will cancel a ticket if it is sold on by the original holder, does this mean any ticket sold on ebay is then cancelled?

Truss wrote: »

It states: "If this ticket is re-sold or transferred for profit or commercial gain by anyone other than the Promoter, Venue Management, Ticketmaster or one of their authorised sub-agents, it will become voidable and the holder may be refused entry to or ejected from the venue. Ticketmaster reserves the right to cancel any tickets advertised or published in any manner with the intent to resell for profit or commercial gain."

So they can sell tickets on ebay...

Loads go below face value. If you ring ticketmaster asking to return a ticket they will tell you that you are free to sell it on.

BrianD

Deleted User wrote: »

Some gigs I go too they just tear off the stub of the ticket instead of scanning it so there wouldn't be any problems if they did that would there??? Also this gig is in a small venue as well not one of the bigger venues in Dublin.

These would be small gigs and unlikely to be the gigs that there would be big demand for. In any case, the bar code scanners are portable so they can be employed at any venue.

Which barcode is it they scan? the one on the right of the ticket or the one on the stub of the ticket?

Both should be the same.

I believe that there is a scam going on where tickets are ordered and then cancelled and a new set issued. The original set are then sold on.

BrianD

BrianD wrote: »

These would be small gigs and unlikely to be the gigs that there would be big demand for. In any case, the bar code scanners are portable so they can be employed at any venue.


Both should be the same.

The gig is sold out now but at the time it wasn't. the only reason I bought off ebay is because I had some funds in my paypal account and I wanted to use them. Hopefully she gets in without any trouble. When the bidding had ended I had basically got them for face value as well (I think it was €2 or €3 over) so hopefully there's no problems.

Thanks for the reply BrianD!

sashafierce

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comet

Never heard of this happening, there are a lot of terms and conditions there to cover themselves just in case. It couldn't be implemented, the average gig doesn't require a matching ID and ticket. As said above the only case might be a scanned ticket on ebay.
I agree with Fighting Irish above though, whether you like it or not there is nothing "special" about tickets that means they should be excluded from the free market. If i'm stuck with a ticket for a gig I can't attend that isn't sold out i have to cut the price to get rid of it so on the flipside personally I don't have a problem with people touting in-demand tickets, thats life, no one is forcing anyone to buy them.

scudzilla

If you've a few minutes here's a VERY interesting read, it was posted by Trent Reznor of Nine Inch Nails




As we approach on-sale dates for the upcoming tour, I've noticed lots of you are curious / concerned / outraged at the plethora of tickets that somehow appear on all these reseller sites at inflated prices - even before the pre-sale dates. I'll do my best to explain the situation as I see it, as well as clarify my organization's stance in the matter.

NIN decides to tour this summer. We arrive at the conclusion outdoor amphitheaters are the right venue for this outing, for a variety of reasons we've throughly considered*. In the past, NIN would sell the shows in each market to local promoters, who then "buy" the show from us to sell to you. Live Nation happens to own all the amphitheaters and bought most of the local promoters - so if you want to play those venues, you're being promoted by Live Nation. Live Nation has had an exclusive deal with TicketMaster that has just expired, so Live Nation launched their own ticketing service. Most of the dates on this tour are through Live Nation, some are through TicketMaster - this is determined by the promoter (Live Nation), not us.
Now we get into the issue of secondary markets for tickets, which is the hot issue here. The ticketing marketplace for rock concerts shows a real lack of sophistication, meaning this: the true market value of some tickets for some concerts is much higher than what the act wants to be perceived as charging. For example, there are some people who would be willing to pay $1,000 and up to be in the best seats for various shows, but MOST acts in the rock / pop world don't want to come off as greedy pricks asking that much, even though the market says its value is that high. The acts know this, the venue knows this, the promoters know this, the ticketing company knows this and the scalpers really know this. So...

The venue, the promoter, the ticketing agency and often the artist camp (artist, management and agent) take tickets from the pool of available seats and feed them directly to the re-seller (which from this point on will be referred to by their true name: SCALPER). I am not saying every one of the above entities all do this, nor am I saying they do it for all shows but this is a very common practice that happens more often than not. There is money to be made and they feel they should participate in it. There are a number of scams they employ to pull this off which is beyond the scope of this note.

StubHub.com is an example of a re-seller / scalper. So is TicketsNow.com.

Here's the rub: TicketMaster has essentially been a monopoly for many years - certainly up until Live Nation's exclusive deal ran out. They could have (and can right now) stop the secondary market dead in its tracks by doing the following: limit the amount of sales per customer, print names on the tickets and require ID / ticket matches at the venue. We know this works because we do it for our pre-sales. Why don't THEY do it? It's obvious - they make a lot of money fueling the secondary market. TicketMaster even bought a re-seller site and often bounces you over to that site to buy tickets (TicketsNow.com)!

NIN gets 10% of the available seats for our own pre-sale. We won a tough (and I mean TOUGH) battle to get the best seats. We require you to sign up at our site (for free) to get tickets. We limit the amount you can buy, we print your name on the tickets and we have our own person let you in a separate entrance where we check your ID to match the ticket. We charge you a surcharge that has been less than TicketMaster's or Live Nation's in all cases so far to pay for the costs of doing this - it's not a profit center for us. We have essentially stopped scalping by doing these things - because we want true fans to be able to get great seats and not get ripped off by these parasites.

I assure you nobody in the NIN camp supplies or supports the practice of supplying tickets to these re-sellers because it's not something we morally feel is the right thing to do. We are leaving money on the table here but it's not always about money.
Being completely honest, it IS something I've had to consider. If people are willing to pay a lot of money to sit up front AND ARE GOING TO ANYWAY thanks to the rigged system, why let that money go into the hands of the scalpers? I'm the one busting my ass up there every night. The conclusion really came down to it not feeling like the right thing to do - simple as that.

My guess as to what will eventually happen if / when Live Nation and TicketMaster merges is that they'll move to an auction or market-based pricing scheme - which will simply mean it will cost a lot more to get a good seat for a hot show. They will simply BECOME the scalper, eliminating them from the mix.

Nothing's going to change until the ticketing entity gets serious about stopping the problem - which of course they don't see as a problem. The ultimate way to hurt scalpers is to not support them. Leave them holding the merchandise. If this subject interests you, check out the following links. Don't buy from scalpers, and be suspect of artists singing the praises of the Live Nation / TicketMaster merger. What's in it for them?



Source : http://forum.nin.com/bb/read.php?59,548515

lordgoat

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