First impressions?

Daysha

It's finally here, October 17th 2008!

Use this topic to post you're thoughts after your first few games. I would, except I have to wait till the weekend :mad:

Does it differ much from the demo? How's the online? Tell all here.

simonw

deise59 wrote: »

It's finally here, October 17th 2008!

Use this topic to post you're thoughts after your first few games. I would, except I have to wait till the weekend :mad:

Does it differ much from the demo? How's the online? Tell all here.

I think its much more similar to pes08 than the demo makes out. still good though, waiting to get used to it still....

quank

I just started up a master league and played around 5 games. I won 3 and drew 2 which I think is remarkable considering in the earlier master leagues, the first season is mostly losses and draws. I'm not sure if it's the new AI or if Ruskin and Ordaz's red arrows are playing a part, but this time around it doesn't feel as frustrating which is somewhat disappointing ironically. But so far, the master league seems to be kept exactly the same - actually, they added that heart/loyalty thing which looks a bit iffy. Hopefully I'll see if "High Transfer Frequency" actually means high transfer frequency in this game.
The new skin is nicer, the graphics are slightly better, it feels a bit slower (could be because I've just playing the ML) but they seem to have cut out that useless 20-minute-wait for the referee's whistle before a free-kick can be taken.
It would've been nice if all the transfers were up-to-date though. Does anyone know if a 360 Live update would be available with all the proper transfers?
Oh, I noticed Vela of Arsenal looks quite promising... tasty.

Fingleberries

Picked this up last night and played it for a few hours. After playing a friendly just to be sure that some of the niggles from '08 had been ironed out (smooth camera work, fluid replays, etc. Online wasn't really working until today, so I'll have to try that later - fingers crossed).

After seeing that there was some definite improvement, I went straight for the new areas - Become a Legend. This is really good stuff, it's almost like having to re-learn how to play the game again. You have to trust your team mates will do their job, because you can't always jump in and control them as the last defender. You have to mark your opponent and try to find space to receive a pass, or make a break without going offside.

I know, I know - FIFA did this last year (and many will talk about Winning Eleven having this feature in Japan years ago), but it's a great way to add more to the game. You have to start off as a 17 year old, trying to break into the ranks to get on to the bench, and if you get there you have to try to prove that you're worth a starting position. You get to play through until you are 35 - really, that's 18 full seasons you can play through (in comparison, I think Be a Pro in Fifa only covers four seasons). You have the option to retire at any point after you are 27. It's a great challenge and will make the game longer for sure.

Gameplay wise, the game is much more fluid than last years. The goalies don't seem to rebound the shots out 18 yeards to the nearest oncoming striker. Your team mates seem to move more logically. One thing that took a while to get used to was the fact that the Right Analogue stick (on 360) no longer does your skill moves and is the manual pass. There were a couple of times I wanted to do a step-over, only to pass the ball into nowhere-ville. I still do it occassionally out of habit, but it actually seems like a good move, because the direct manual pass could be lethal instead of the usual 'Y' through ball.

Overall, I'm still impressed with it and glad of my purchase. The usual grumbles are still there in comparison to FIFA - visual style, flair, and commentary, the sheer weight of licenced teams and so on. However, I find these to be superficial. This years FIFA does a lot to improve things but you still feel like you are battling against the controls a little bit and are not as involved (your button presses like you are suggesting to the player what you would like to do - although it's much better than FIFA '08) - with this PES, you feel much more like you're playing the game. It feels right.

That being said - there's enough length in this iteration of PES that will keep me going for a long time. I don't think I'll need to pick up PES 2010 next year, because this will keep me plenty busy, thank you very much.

neacy69

Ok
Played for a few hours last night and at the start I was very wary. Its play much differently than last years and is a good bit slower (which is a good thing cos last years was too fast).
After a few games I started to get the feel and enjoying it quite a bit.Havent been beaten yet so will have to change the difficulty level (currently regular).

Havent played online yet so I can't comment on that but in all fairness it cant really be as bad as last years.

The become a legend mode is interesting. I have just signed with Man City and I'm trying to break into the first team but I'm starting to find the training games a little repetitive.

I really like the champions league mode.

Is it just me or do the Menu's look like they were made by a 10 year old with MSPaint.

saltie

I didnt play PES08 on PS3 last year only on PS2 and it was great fun! This year and its PS3 time and the demo was very underwhelming. The full release tho from the 3 games i played last night was a lot lot better than the demo. I found it quite fast i have to admit and you really need your wits about you when playing it around the midfield. I noticed it was very easy to score from corners. In one game I won 3-0 Arg V Bra with Tevez scoring a hat trick from corners! Just whip them in and he gets on the end of them.
Anyway it needs more time like all PES increments but its promising. Oh ya had issues getting a GAME ID - grr tried for ages, presuming its just some sort of maintenance issues.
Anyway a happy PES fan here. Roll on the online now.

neacy69

Heres a list of Xbox achievements if anyone is interested:

http://www.xbox360achievements.org/game/pes-2009/achievements/

Anybody played it on both the xbox and the PS3? any differences?

quank

Another improvement I noticed: being able to start the second half of a game much more quickly without having to skip through replays and loading.

D/C

Got pro evo last night, and have been playin a good few games and really liking it!

Love the Champions League addition and the Full Manchester United line up! Waiting on the update for the full list of final day transfers! Although it could lead to Utd been very short unless it brings in more of the young players!

Havent played online yet or the become a legend feature!

The game plays nothing like the demo which is a hugh relief!

Oh and the replays are alot better than last years game!

brianon

D/C wrote: »

The game plays nothing like the demo which is a hugh relief!

yeah? How you mena. I didn't like the demo at all and like fifa 09. I didn't buy PES purely on the demo. Is there much of a difference in gameplay ?

D/C

The the game plays alot quicker than the demo, the players pace really shows! Players first touches and quick passes are far better!

Overall the demo is in no way a representation of the final product! Roll on the transfer updates!

brianon

D/C wrote: »

The the game plays alot quicker than the demo, the players pace really shows! Players first touches and quick passes are far better!

Quicker ? Jesus ... I thought the demo was too fast. Might just rent or wait for the November update.

D/C

Maybe a good idea if your not sure! Another idea is to get it from the likes of asda if your near the north or if you order online it costs £27 ie around €35! If you dont like it, trade it in, i'm sure you will get a good price for it, if you trade it so soon after release!

Another thing that is cool is that you can import you own music into the game and get rid of all the brutal tracks that play while your editing or sorting out your pre game formation!

brianon

D/C wrote: »

Another thing that is cool is that you can import you own music into the game and get rid of all the brutal tracks that play while your editing or sorting out your pre game formation!

I thought the music was alright in the dem :rolleyes:

evad_lhorg

I have played it a bit online now. lag isnt bad at all if youplay someone with a good connection. the games can be very scrappy though. like the ball getting caught between two players and just knocking around for a bit. Tackling is very hard as players just constantly turn and stuff. you cant commit to tackles at all really. the games are very high scoring due to this. I won 4 games in a row 4-2.

It is good but very frustrating when you are clearly aiming a pass at a player and it goes to another or not even near them and concede posession for no reason.

Rowley Birkin QC

Is the demo seriously not representative of the finished product?

I have been playing FIFA for the first time in about 10 years and really enjoying it, on the verge of buying it, entirely based on how disappointed I was with the PES demo.

dreamers75

bigkev49 wrote: »

Is the demo seriously not representative of the finished product?

I have been playing FIFA for the first time in about 10 years and really enjoying it, on the verge of buying it, entirely based on how disappointed I was with the PES demo.

get both tbh


pes is excellent, the legend mode is worth the purchase and i only playing it a few hours, wouldnt know about online cos its broken :mad:

Tropheus

I played the FIFA and PES demos on PC and thought the PES demo was far more impressive.

I bought PES for the PC today and is very representive of the demo. It's far more playable than the previous version.

Rowley Birkin QC

An online match was one of the first things I tried with FIFA and it was smooth and the lad I played didn't dive straight for Brazil/Barcelona. FIFA really is putting up the bar this year.

Is that "Legend Mode" where you are only one lad on the team? Not pushed about that tbh.

Also after years of ridiculing who went on about the real jerseys/stadiums/proper commentary etc.etc it is kind of nice to have all those things along with challenging gameplay.

Online PES is possibly the most frustrating gaming out there, FIFA online is a joy in comparison.

Rockee

Bought it today for the XBOX. Have been playing it for a few hours now and Im starting to really get into it. The first few games were hard to get used to and messy. Shooting is very sensitive and took a while to get the hang of. Im not scoring any really from outside the box, mostly headers or turn and shoot in the box.

Played my first game as Liverpool v Celtic in an exhibition and lost 2-0. Ive worked my way through the Konami Cup and all that and have found a lot of games going into extra time and penalties. Havent managed to score more than 3 in a single game yet either so doesnt look to be cricket scores in this version of PES, which is nice!

adamski8

• I didnt play the last pro so came from playing 6. again very simply things that would have made the game flow really well havent been done.
• Menus crap
• cant pick random international teams anymore
• red cards are too easy gotton
• ridiculously if u are playing with a friend only one controller can navigate the the menus! but strangly they make each player select what strip they want before each game(instead of once 1 player hits x game starts)
• long load time for matchs
• cross field balls are good and it can actually help u instead of putting u under pressure
  
• crosses and corners are much easier to score from
• replays that i just want to skip and half time really slow the play
• quick free kicks are better i think
• keepers parry the ball a hell of alot and most of the time to a striker
• gameplay is more random and cpu controlled as in a well timed tackle can result in the striker remaining with the ball
• long throws are better
• Why o why after an exhibition match is the first option play again with SAME teams instead of play again with different teams!
• BRING BACK DOUBLE SPEED MATCHS!!!!!!

evad_lhorg

OK!

My biggest problem with this game is how they changed the cursor settings and took out the option to control your keeper. :mad:

Rockee

evad_lhorg wrote: »

OK!
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lol

RandolphEsq

I don't like it. It is too arcadey, so much so that graphics aren't even an issue (hence why nobody has mentioned them yet). PES 08 on the PS2 is basically the same as this except maybe this game has slightly more developed game play.

The Become a Legend is a let down. The camera is the same as it was in the other games, it doesn't really make you feel like you're involved when you're on the ball. Also how you play is done on an overall rating which you don't see until the end of the match, and the ratings are AGAIN too harsh.

The Champions League mode should have been integrated into Master League. It is not the same playing just the Champions League, it needs to be accompanied by a long gruelling season in order for one to get a real sense of achievement from winning it.

In short; It plays like an arcade football game which is fine when you're playing with mates, but on your own there is not much fun in it. I cannot justify paying big money for this when there are other (PES 08 - PS2) perfectly good Pro Evos. The change isn't drastic at all

Headshot

when i started playing i taught it was so so

but a few games in im really getting used to it

i had some match in the master league

i was 4-1 up in the first half

but the computer came out and nearly bet me

it ended 5-4 in my favour

really like it

i dought id buy it still

i rented it out for a week

Carroller

Im dissapointed,
Playing it last night dont see much change from pro 2008 and was trying to play online for about an hour and failed to join one match.

although the champions league is a nice touch.

Luckycharms_74

Hi Guys

I have been a fan of Pro Evo since the very start. I bought PES 2008 last year and was very dissapointed with it, especially the online play. This was seabass and co's chance to make a statement with next generation graphics and game engine, but they failed to do so.

I gave them the benefit of the doubt with last years release and decided to purchase PES 2009 yesterday after playing the demo. First thing I did was to check the online play and to my shock its no different than 2008. Why oh why could they not use the same model as PES 2006, it had great online play, little or no lag, lots of competitions and online leagues. But once again Konami has failed to deliver.

In this era of gaming online play is paramount, but Konami seems to have been resting on its laurels, they had the market domination over the past few years but not anymore. I bought FIFA 09 this year reluctantly but was amazed with the both the online play & general all-round gameplay. EA have really stepped up to the plate with next generation gaming and if Konami dont pull their proverbial socks up they will get left behind.

Having had my rant It's not fair to discount PES 2009 this soon as I need more time playing it. The Champions League looks a nice addition, as does Become a Legend. I hope Konami will address the transfers with an update patch like FIFA do. I mean month old transfers are here (Voronin with Liverpool, Riera with espanyol).
The ball is in your court now Seabass

Nalz

Carroller wrote: »

Im dissapointed,
Playing it last night dont see much change from pro 2008 and was trying to play online for about an hour and failed to join one match.

although the champions league is a nice touch.

I think its changed a fair bit.and its all up in the air for me as to whether I’m a fan of it or not yet. Got a slight scare off my mate just after buying it. He informed me the defending is still cat, goalkeepers are terrible and both centre halves get attracted to the ball. I havent come across that yet, but I have seen one or two things myself.

Initially its very low scoring. 0-0, 2-1, 1-0 etc. Slower pace to the game from 2008 which is good. Through ball is tougher to pull off and nearly every teams back four is tough to get past. They seem to be on top of you like a rash everytime you get into the final 3rd. The midfield area is like a scene from braveheart. So, has the fun been taken out of it? If you are 2-0 down are you gonna come back from the dead?

We’ll just have to see. Disappointing that the squads aren’t fully completed. Berbatov, Tanio and Kaboul still at Spurs, Sheva at Chelsea, Saha at United, no Reira at Pool etc… yet Robbie is there?

I’ll give it another few goes before giving a complete verdict on it. I remember slating PES 6 before getting used to it, just hoping the same happens with this one.

dhayz2000

PS3 version - based on first impressions (I have only this version played twice - none online)

Pros:

• Harder to dribble past opposition
• As a result, you have to utilise off the ball running more after passing it, which is better IMO
• Harder to score with R2 shots, I thought this was too easy in the last version
• I quite like the new menu screen, very Web 2.0ish
• Menu screen music is good - who is the band?
• Quick free kicks are easier to do
• High through balls have a better success rate
• Graphics are better
• Second half quickstart option

Cons:

• Crowd chanting is doing my head in - if you pick Liverpool as home team they chant "When the reds come marching in" over and over. I haven't had chance to download new chants yet but it is high on my priority list
• Teams not updated - surely moving the likes of Berb etc. couldn't be that hard to do before release date?

Nailz

Hola bitches!! Long time no speak, over whelming improvement may I say... Glad to see the PES dudes stick it to those dillholes over at EA. I'll give my review a tad bit later as I'm still at word. The boss found out about boards and blocked it, thankfully it's only a computer block and now, as I got my new shiney iPhone 3G, I can talk to you gringos at work again... Hoorah!!!

Rockee

dhayz2000 wrote: »

Cons:

• Crowd chanting is doing my head in - if you pick Liverpool as home team they chant "When the reds come marching in" over and over.

I agree, it drives me demented haha!

I find myself either hitting the post and it bouncing back into play or else hitting the post and going in a lot of the time. Is it just my aiming?? :eek:

inforfun

Finally picked Pes 2009 up yesterday.
It is worth shopping around, seen it for 50 upto 65, Smyth doing a deal where you can get it for 9.99 as long as you trade in 2 games (usual T&C so i suppose it will not be any games you can trade in)

Now the game.
Only played it for a couple of hours sofar and since i was curious about the Legend thing i havent been doing anyhting else than that.
I guess it is a mode you have to get used to, the camera position and the game play.
So far i miss 1 option in the legend mode. You should be able to get you Mr 15% in and have him start stirring some ****. i just can not get myself a game, i am not even on the bench after 5 or 6 trainings matches.
Ok.. i have to admit, i can shoot for ****. matter of gettign used to it i guess.

All by all, this version does bring back some of the feelings i had in the past when the new version came out, it felt like a complete new game in the past. this version feels somewhat like a new game.
PES2008, when i played that one the first time i though i had put in the wrong disc and was still playing pes6.
But even PES2008 gave me hours of fun so i am not worried about this version getting chunked out of the window after 1 month playing.

Didnt try online yet...... First need to get myself to an acceptable level....

jimbling

This version really is a whole lot better than PES 08 but it still has some major flaws...even some new ones.

One example of a new on is that all of a sudden there are defenders slide tackling without my input. It did this occasionally in the last version, but its gone up a huge amount.
Playing a game the other day I got a player sent off for two terrible tackles where I hadn't even pressed the tackle button. (note: I was in control of the player at the time).

Also, I seem to be scoring own goals to beat the band. Scored 3 in one game the other night. All I ever do on defending a cross is hold the opposite direction and the shoot button... yet it nods it right towards goal a high % of times.... very weird. Anyone shed any light on that?

Other than that I think the feel of the game is great. The graphics are way better, the speed is way better (although even still a little fast). The sound isn't great all right, but you get over that.

Dearg81

Is it just me or is it really hard to win the ball back using pressure button? it just seems too easy for the attacking player to dribble by the defenders.

shenanigans1982

I know its a bit early but for next years version I suggest they change the request a pass button to a shout abuse at your teamates button. I am p*ssed off watching as they try to beat the defender 2 and 3 times before getting in a cross when the first time they had plenty of room. Also p*ssed off holding my runs and then straying offside at the last minute just because they wont pass the ball at the right time.:mad:

Mikeyt086

I find myself really dissappointed with PES2009.

It just doesnt feel like football to me. I think its too similar to 2008 which was imo a piss poor game. Become a Legend doesnt work as well as it should because the A.I. decides if you play well or not, most of the time they just run backwards before passing to the keeper while your trying to make a run, the call for the ball button seems to work every now and again, i dunno. Ive played a full season so its not like i didnt give it a shot, i just dont like it.

PES on PS2 and XBox, and even PES 6 on 360 just felt right, quick, accurate, realistic. Now they have implemented so much bull****, like the fan chats, bollox "Liverpool. Liverpool.Liverpool" over and over. The sound contact with the ball makes drives me mental, howcome when im dribbling all i can hear is "BOOF. BOOF. BOOF. BOOF."

The animations have improved, some run very smooth. But other than that, i just dont know. Its not what it used to be. I still break out PES 4 with the mates sometimes. That was a real football game.

TheGreatOne

So Glad I didn't rush out and buy this on release day, I said I'd give it a chance by what everyone online (bar-fanboys) were saying about it, but I've actually been turned off even more.

Might rent for a few days but I'm in no rush to do so.

Sad times for us original PES fans, unexplainable and unforgiveable how a series can go backwards so much.

Dearg81

Mikeyt086 wrote: »

PES on PS2 and XBox, and even PES 6 on 360 just felt right, quick, accurate, realistic. Now they have implemented so much bull****, like the fan chats, bollox "Liverpool. Liverpool.Liverpool" over and over. The sound contact with the ball makes drives me mental, howcome when im dribbling all i can hear is "BOOF. BOOF. BOOF. BOOF."

The animations have improved, some run very smooth. But other than that, i just dont know. Its not what it used to be. I still break out PES 4 with the mates sometimes. That was a real football game.

Yea i agree 100% with this. I think the reason why the game has got worst is that every year they are forced to mess around with the game otherwise everyone will just say its the same as least year. The problem with this is that they are trying to fix things that aren't actually broken.

Rockee

Torres is terrible in the new one. :eek: Who'ed have thought Ryan Babel would be kicking his arse in the goal scoring charts? :P

AnimalRights

(Online review)
Better than last years but still fairly poor.
Crowd chants are dire.
Lack of defender 'muscle' is terrible so they basically can't tackle the opposing forwards.
Ref way too strict so no sliding tackles from any angle.
Still no license ffs.
The great players can basically dance thru ur defence.
and probs the most unforgivable one is the lack of response, especially if you lose the ball.

cherryghost

got the PC version yesterday, but fails to run on my PC, even though it more than meets minimum spec. just gets a runtime error. sooo once i dget it fixed, ill let yee know how the PC version fares.

Aidric

Picking up a copy tomorrow, can't wait.

NotWormBoy

First impressions?

Seven games in as Liverpool, and I've just smashed my controller off the wall and subsequently uninstalled the game in a fit of frustrated rage in reacton to some of the "intelligent AI" passes that I have been trying to make my players make.

Sorry, regardless of anything else, and I've many more problems with the game (both this and the last "new" game), but when you have those idiotic short through balls hit two yards in front of an opposition defender, then something isn't working right. Not to mention "near post" cross that are ALWAYS straight into the keepers hands. Or another one of a dozen shortcomings.

Sorry, Konami, you can stick Pro Evo up your hole. I'm not going to switch to Fifa, but after six/seven years of buying your games, you can **** off if you think thats a step forward.

Ardent

NotWormBoy wrote: »

but when you have those idiotic short through balls hit two yards in front of an opposition defender, then something isn't working right.

Agreed. Very annoying bug that.

I also can't believe linear the players movements are, truly awful.

TheGreatOne

I rented this over the weekend, and how glad am I that's all I did, I even feel robbed of my 5 quid rental price.

What a piece of complete trash, there's just too many faults and horrible things wrong with this game to go into, its actually worse than 08' in my opinion, whats become of the footie brand I loved so dearly?:(

dodgey69

Have been playing Pro evo since the ISS days and it has always been way better than FIFA, until last year.

This year needed a huge improvement and i can only say that it is absolute garbage. Defending is near on impossible. any online games that dont have the lag in them end up cricket scores(7-6, 6-2, 6-1). Its basically tip off, get someone decent on the play and dribble in on goal.

Terrible terrible game. Ill be going out to Buy FIFA for the first time ever now