Charities - are they scams?

Gareth37

Am I the only person sick of endless Ryan Mellon, Concern, Bernardos, St VINCENT De Paul, Goal etc fund raising.

I would like to see how much of the money raised by these charities actually goes to really poor people. Not much I would say.

Nobody should be giving these organisations a penny imo. Ive heard that some charities are paying some staff 6 figure sums.

If charities are not banned I might actually set one up. I will call it "Help the Poor" and I will keep 98% for myself and give the other 2% to a group of people to go to Africa to build a paper school.

Honey-ec

I think you mean Niall Mellon.

Or possibly Will Mellor??? Now there's a real charity case...

Turd Ferguson

The real question is what have the Romans ever done for us?

phantom_lord

most of them.

dlofnep

I donate to Oxfam.. I'd like to think that it's making even a small difference in someone's life over yonder. I sincerly hope there isn't someone with a fat pocket taking it all onboard. Do you have any references to backup your thoughts?

MizzLolly

Aww life is hard OP. You poor, poor thing.

Silenceisbliss

I assume charities dont have to paY taxes...so they dont have to register....so you can go putting your own charity boxes in random shops around the country and claim its for charity...

send maybe 1% to africa, keep the 99% as your own wages....

sorted

AnonoBoy

Silenceisbliss wrote: »

I assume charities dont have to paY taxes...so they dont have to register....so you can go putting your own charity boxes in random shops around the country and claim its for charity...

send maybe 1% to africa, keep the 99% as your own wages....

sorted

They have to be registered as a charity. And people who run the charities and get paid for it have to pay taxes on their earnings.

MizzLolly

AnonoBoy wrote: »

They have to be registered as a charity. And people who run the charities and get paid for it have to pay taxes on their earnings.

Sush, that's fact. This is AH. No place for the truth in here.

SEPT 23 1989

yes

AnonoBoy

MizzLolly wrote: »

Sush, that's fact. This is AH. No place for the truth in here.

Sorry. Here - let me have another go:

*deep breath*

Anyone can register as a charity. And people who run the charities (mostly foreign spongers) are milking our hard earned euro for their own personal gain. Not one cent of anything you ever give to charity ever leaves their pocket. They all drive mercs and live in condos on the French Riveria where they spend their days cavorting with lingerie models and snorting cocaine off homeless people. And they're all from Nigeria and/or Eastern Europe.

(How's that?)

MizzLolly

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Sorry. Here - let me have another go:

*deep breath*

Anyone can register as a charity. And people who run the charities (mostly foreign spongers) are milking our hard earned euro for their own personal gain. Not one cent of anything you ever give to charity ever leaves their pocket. They all drive mercs and live in condos on the French Riveria where they spend their days cavorting with lingerie models and snorting cocaine off homeless people. And they're all from Nigeria and/or Eastern Europe.

(How's that?)

Wonderful.

It's soo sensationalised and packed full of false info.

Expect a lot of thanks young man.

You'll go far in here.

Gareth37

Silenceisbliss wrote: »

I assume charities dont have to paY taxes...so they dont have to register....so you can go putting your own charity boxes in random shops around the country and claim its for charity...

send maybe 1% to africa, keep the 99% as your own wages....

sorted

Well this seems to be a given anyway for most charities. All I need is a very small amount per month or year from a reasonable amount of naive people. I will hire some students next summer to do fundraising all across Ireland, with buckets and other fund raisers.

The 1% can be sent on a good holiday for myself and the employees :pac:

Gareth37

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Sorry. Here - let me have another go:

*deep breath*

Anyone can register as a charity. And people who run the charities (mostly foreign spongers) are milking our hard earned euro for their own personal gain. Not one cent of anything you ever give to charity ever leaves their pocket. They all drive mercs and live in condos on the French Riveria where they spend their days cavorting with lingerie models and snorting cocaine off homeless people. And they're all from Nigeria and/or Eastern Europe.

(How's that?)

Its not all foreigners. the more established charities have Irish owners. The Celtic tiger was incredible for them. I think Trocaire are reasonable but thats because they are run by the Catholic church.

Iago

Gareth37 wrote: »

Its not all foreigners. the more established charities have Irish owners. The Celtic tiger was incredible for them. I think Trocaire are reasonable but thats because they are run by the Catholic church.

WHOOOOOSSSSSSHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!

hear that? That's the sound of the post going right over your head.

shayser

John O'Shea is da man. He knows that charity monies and government aid ends up in the pockets of corrupt governments/administrators/etc. Goal money goes directly to communities.

Give your pennies to them!

Gaspode

Several family members and friends have worked for a couple of the bigger charity organisations, and from what I gathered from them, I will never donate to charity again. How any of the donations they get make it to the people its meant for beats me.

Anyway, the government gives a huge amount of my money and yours to foreign aid every year whether we like it or not, so that's me done with charity thanks. Pity I cant write that foreign aid off against my tax bill........

biko

Sunday August 19 2007

TWO of Ireland's leading charities have denied they are mis-spending donated money by paying their senior management fat cat salaries, insisting they are "value for money".

Away from the old image of ad-hoc charities, Goal and Concern are now operating internationally with multi-million-euro budgets with large staffs in Ireland, the UK and the US.
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Since the advent of on-street fundraising, in which people agree to monthly contributions by direct debit, the budgets of such charities have soared. For example, last year alone Concern raised a staggering €122m.
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On the salary front for example, Concern spent almost €13m on staffing costs alone and several of its key staff are on annual salaries in excess of €90,000. Chief Executive Tom Arnold is on a salary of just under €140,000, but insisted that he and others can justify their wages.

Mr Arnold is on secondment from the civil service and part of the deal to make him CEO was that his salary would mirror his civil service pay. Goal refused to disclose Mr O'Shea's salary but said he only became full-time CEO when the "workload became impossible to manage on a voluntary basis".
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Speaking to the Sunday Independent, he said: "We have to pay the market rate to get top quality people. We need top people and if we weren't paying the going rate we wouldn't get them."

Jim Hynes, Concern's chief financial officer said, apart from Mr Arnold's salary, many of the other salaries are in fact behind the market rates. He said: "Many of our staff are on about €35,000 which is just about the average industrial wage."
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Despite the high salaries being paid to their top people, they are minuscule to the kind of money being paid by the United Nations and Unicef to their top people. Many of the UN chiefs are on annual salaries of over €500,000 with some being paid close to a €1m a year.
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In late 2004, the Sunday Independent exposed how, through on-street fundraising or "chugging", the budgets of the charities had exploded.

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Gareth37

deswalsh wrote: »

Several family members and friends have worked for a couple of the bigger charity organisations, and from what I gathered from them, I will never donate to charity again. How any of the donations they get make it to the people its meant for beats me.

Anyway, the government gives a huge amount of my money and yours to foreign aid every year whether we like it or not, so that's me done with charity thanks. Pity I cant write that foreign aid off against my tax bill........

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/top-charities-defend-fat-cat-ceo-salaries-1062042.html

One man is on €140,000 :eek:

Thats it, Im setting one up. What should I call it?

Help the Poor?
Help Poor People?
Mission?
Genuine Charity for the Poor?

Anyone want to join me?

Gareth37

shayser wrote: »

John O'Shea is da man. He knows that charity monies and government aid ends up in the pockets of corrupt governments/administrators/etc. Goal money goes directly to communities.

Give your pennies to them!

No my charity will be even better.

I will guarantee you that 100% of our revenue will not end up in the pockets of any foreign government or individual. Any salary that we will pay will be truly justified for the hard work and professional standards that we reach.

Gareth37

I am looking for volunteers to go about the country with buckets and also sign naive young and old people up for a monthly donation by direct debit or credit card transfer.

How much do people think I will raise?

Turd Ferguson

shayser wrote: »

John O'Shea is da man. He knows that charity monies and government aid ends up in the pockets of corrupt governments/administrators/etc. Goal money goes directly to communities.

Give your penises to them!

Consider your post fixed...

Silenceisbliss

Gareth37 wrote: »

Well this seems to be a given anyway for most charities. All I need is a very small amount per month or year from a reasonable amount of naive people. I will hire some students next summer to do fundraising all across Ireland, with buckets and other fund raisers.

The 1% can be sent on a good holiday for myself and the employees :pac:

ill eh...be the.....eh....VICE PRESIDENT!....its a do nothing job VERY IMPORTANT AND VITAL job, and i get a free holiday!

Silenceisbliss

Turd Ferguson wrote: »

Consider your post fixed...

......you should get fixed

SimpleSam06

AnonoBoy wrote: »

They have to be registered as a charity. And people who run the charities and get paid for it have to pay taxes on their earnings.

As far as I know there is no such thing as a non profit organisation in Ireland. Most charities register themselves as limited companies in order to have a legal identity. I as looking at setting one up myself a while back. Not too sure how that works on taxes though, since I never, ever give one penny to charity.

Dinter

I think the answer is that a charity can be a scam if the people running it want it to be.

It's up to you to ensure that your money is going to a worthy charity.

Also, but most importantly, don't give to chuggers. It's like giving rats fertility drugs.

Turd Ferguson

Silenceisbliss wrote: »

......you should get fixed

First my Ma, then the vet and now you. Why do people keep saying this to me?

Gareth37

SimpleSam06 wrote: »

As far as I know there is no such thing as a non profit organisation in Ireland. Most charities register themselves as limited companies in order to have a legal identity. I as looking at setting one up myself a while back. Not too sure how that works on taxes though, since I never, ever give one penny to charity.

Its a guaranteed revenue stream. I think its a great career. Im defo thinking of setting one up. Do you get "aid" from the government too?

Nehaxak

Gareth37 wrote: »

Do you get "aid" from the government too?

Not if you wear a condom.

Galvasean

I should hope that little African girl I sponsored through school wasn't actually some rich middle aged European man playing me for a fool...

I sent her a football for Christmas and everything.

edit: it was only a year of school. I'm not THAT nice.

shenanigans1982

shayser wrote: »

John O'Shea is da man.

I thought he was Man United's charity case.....best way to sort this out is for everyone to compare pictures of the child they have adopted in Africa...if they look the same its a con.

Galvasean

shenanigans1982 wrote: »

best way to sort this out is for everyone to compare pictures of the child they have adopted in Africa...if they look the same its a con.

Small, black skin, underfed, adorable look of optimism... Eeh gadz! :eek:

Gareth37

Corruption is rife.

People should turn to God rather than to conmen who set up charities. People give them money to feel better.

Quazzie

Gareth37 wrote: »

Corruption is rife.

People should turn to God rather than to conmen who set up charities. People give them money to feel better.

You do realise that God doesn't exist and that he's only a story made up by your parents to make you act good.. like Santa, the Easter Bunny, and Gary Glitter

Eoin

Gareth37 wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/top-charities-defend-fat-cat-ceo-salaries-1062042.html

One man is on €140,000 :eek:

That's really not that much for a CEO, in fact I'd say it's very much under the average salary.

Gareth37

Quazzie2002 wrote: »

You do realise that God doesn't exist and that he's only a story made up by your parents to make you act good.. like Santa, the Easter Bunny, and Gary Glitter

Thats what the big Governments of the world want you to think. Once they have control of your mind like that all you will be interested in is working hard, amking money and spending it on depraved activities. The attempts by major governments to remove religeon is working short term but history shows that despite all the regimes that have tried to remove religeon none have succeeded.

The reason that you don't beleive in God is that you have found a new God in society and what controls society - governments through media control.

Religeon is important and when you get older you will realise that this world is false full of false promises and things that don't make you happy. If you don't find God you will never be happy on this world.

thelordofcheese

Gareth37 wrote: »

Religeon is important and when you get older you will realise that this world is false full of false promises and things that don't make you happy. If you don't find God you will never be happy on this world.

Oh please, that's just as bad as believeing that crass materialism will bring you happiness.

People turn to god when they get older because they can't drive fast cars, nubile young women won't play hide the sausage with them and technology confuses and scares them, so they replace it with the idea that all the suffering they go through as they are marginalised by society and their bodies break down will be rewarded by some bearded old man when they finally expire.

It's as much a farce as anything else.

Nehaxak

Gareth37 wrote: »

If you don't find God you will never be happy on this world.

Let me guess, you were one of those weird god loving people perhaps who objected to Irish NGO's/charities supporting the use of condoms to help the fight against AIDS ?

The meek shall not inherit the Earth, they'll get pissed and shat on all their lives. Most of the problems in this world are created by stupid people like you with your stupid religions.
In this country especially, religion has no place and should not be thought at all to any children nor should this country in any way still be conforming to any relgious doctrine.
The Catholic church especially destroyed many families and childrens lives with their child abuse - far as I see it, the Catholic church in Ireland was nothing more than a child molesting cult.

I honestly believe that bible bashers and religious nutjobs are nothing more than mental retards that should be locked away for the benefit of the population at large, so they don't ever get to influence or try brainwash anyone else.

Religion is finished, it's over. The youth at large do not want it anymore and the simple minded bible stories and simple minded people who spout on about their religious crap are a scab of seeping puss on society.

Only time I find God is with a bit of lubricant, fap fap fap, NNnnnnfff, Oh dear Jesus Christ....

Gareth37

Nehaxak wrote: »

Let me guess, you were one of those weird god loving people perhaps who objected to Irish NGO's/charities supporting the use of condoms to help the fight against AIDS ?

The meek shall not inherit the Earth, they'll get pissed and shat on all their lives. Most of the problems in this world are created by stupid people like you with your stupid religions.
In this country especially, religion has no place and should not be thought at all to any children nor should this country in any way still be conforming to any relgious doctrine.
The Catholic church especially destroyed many families and childrens lives with their child abuse - far as I see it, the Catholic church in Ireland was nothing more than a child molesting cult.

I honestly believe that bible bashers and religious nutjobs are nothing more than mental retards that should be locked away for the benefit of the population at large, so they don't ever get to influence or try brainwash anyone else.

Religion is finished, it's over. The youth at large do not want it anymore and the simple minded bible stories and simple minded people who spout on about their religious crap are a scab of seeping puss on society.

Only time I find God is with a bit of lubricant, fap fap fap, NNnnnnfff, Oh dear Jesus Christ....

Your mind is totally controlled by the media.

Religeon is a lot older than you. Many regimes have supressed it only for it to come back stronger. the same will happen in the western world.

People like you think you are very clever and that you know everything. But everything you "know" is dictated by what the media says.

Saying that religeon is fake (like the media controlled by the EU governing bodies would have you beleive) is a way for you of justifying immoral behaviour. The fact is that behaviour will make you more depressed and your life will lose all meaning. There is and has always been one meaning for life. Go find it!

phantom_lord

lol

Nehaxak

Gareth37 wrote: »

Your mind is totally controlled by the media.

Religeon is a lot older than you. Many regimes have supressed it only for it to come back stronger. the same will happen in the western world.

People like you think you are very clever and that you know everything. But everything you "know" is dictated by what the media says.

Saying that religeon is fake (like the media controlled by the EU governing bodies would have you beleive) is a way for you of justifying immoral behaviour. The fact is that behaviour will make you more depressed and your life will lose all meaning. There is and has always been one meaning for life. Go find it!

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Dude seriously...you need to get out from wherever you're living and see more of the world...

Cookie_Monster

Gareth37 wrote: »

Charities - are they scams?

Yes, every sinlge one of them without fail:rolleyes:

Cookie_Monster

Gareth37 wrote: »

Your mind is totally controlled by the media.

Religeon is a lot older than you. Many regimes have supressed it only for it to come back stronger. the same will happen in the western world.

People like you think you are very clever and that you know everything. But everything you "know" is dictated by what the media says.

Saying that religeon is fake (like the media controlled by the EU governing bodies would have you beleive) is a way for you of justifying immoral behaviour. The fact is that behaviour will make you more depressed and your life will lose all meaning. There is and has always been one meaning for life. Go find it!

That sounds a bit like fundamentalist extremism to me.

Know a guy called Bin Laden per chance?

Quazzie

Is Gareth for real because my sarcasm detector seems to be on the frizz. Are there really people like this let loose in our society?

Varkov

I dont give to forign charities or applaud people who do.

I really couldnt give two ****s about these forigners dying in Africa. Charity starts a home.

walshb

Varkov wrote: »

I dont give to forign charities or applaud people who do.

I really couldnt give two ****s about these forigners dying in Africa. Charity starts a home.

Not in Ireland it doesn't start at home. We're falling over our bloody selves to help the poor African people!:rolleyes: