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Pat Gilroy will be unveiled as the Dublin football manager
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09-10-2008 8:15am#1
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homerjay2005 wrote: »surely 2 vincents men is not good?
Depends who ya ask
Edit that makes me look like a vinnies man and i am not (dont get me wrong i was delighted for them last year) but i was referring to at least one man on here who hasnt seen this thread yet i take it
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Depends who ya ask
Edit that makes me look like a vinnies man and i am not (dont get me wrong i was delighted for them last year) but i was referring to at least one man on here who hasnt seen this thread yet i take it
Found out by text today and was really surprised.I thought Mick Deegan was shoe in for the job after Mullins pulled out.Just saw the thread now GAAman.:)
I have very mixed feelings about the appointment.Pat Gilroy is an amazing player but has no managerial experience except his business.I think I am fairly accurate in saying that Mickey Whelan will train the team and take on a selectors role while Gilroy will be the front face of the county.
I am disappointed for Deegan.He has a very impressive resume bringing Fingal Ravens an Intermediate title and brought the Dublin juniors an All Ireland for the first time since 1960.What more can a man do except bring a team to win the Senior All Ireland club championship.Mickey certainly deserves a place in the county managment.Gilroy has a lot of experience managing people and is relatively young.He is 38 and still playing football and would be very much in touch with the current game and its demands.
As a Vinnies man,I am happy for them.I think it is a wise move to have Mickey in the shakeup as part of the backroom team as I imagine he would want to avoid the media.I think this is an area that Pat would deal with and make the right decisions during games.Also Pats experience of managing people would ensure that the job is done by those who have the ability to do it and do their best and who aren't picked because they are the managers favourites.
Dublins best period of success came at a time when a St Vincents man managed them,the 1970s when Heffo's army was in the groove.So yes I am delighted for Pat and Mickey but disapponted for Mick Deegan.What are the chances that Talty or Billings are axed and Deegan becomes part of the backroom team??0 -
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Found out by text today and was really surprised.I thought Mick Deegan was shoe in for the job after Mullins pulled out.Just saw the thread now GAAman.
As a Vinnies man,I am happy for them.I think it is a wise move
Told ya!
(twenty years later blackbelt wanders in like )What, get in a few country lads?!:p
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I think Cheesplayer is about the only one here who is talking any sence. As a man from outside Dublin (and no expert) I am always baffled by the Dublin County Boards picks for Managers. To put it as softly as I can.......
They are Crap
I for one always want Dublin to do well as it makes for a great Championship, however there are many around the country (and I've heard it everywhere) who are thrilled that Dublin have YET AGAIN gotten it wrong. Why ? because they all quite rightly see Dublin as a big threat, if they had a good manager.
All over Ireland in most clubs you will hear the line about a local team manager finding it hard to get the most from players, but bring in an outsider and bingo. Dublin like most countys is really just a big club and DCB need to cop on to the reality that they need to look outside of their sand box ! If Dublin had in the last few years a decent manager they would have another Sam to go on about by now. Was Caffrey a goodn ?
Having said that there is the law of probabilities, which DCB seem to be putting their trust in - Sooner or later it will work !
Later I think !
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I think Cheesplayer is about the only one here who is talking any sence. As a man from outside Dublin (and no expert) I am always baffled by the Dublin County Boards picks for Managers. To put it as softly as I can.......
They are Crap
I for one always want Dublin to do well as it makes for a great Championship, however there are many around the country (and I've heard it everywhere) who are thrilled that Dublin have YET AGAIN gotten it wrong. Why ? because they all quite rightly see Dublin as a big threat, if they had a good manager.
All over Ireland in most clubs you will hear the line about a local team manager finding it hard to get the most from players, but bring in an outsider and bingo. Dublin like most countys is really just a big club and DCB need to cop on to the reality that they need to look outside of their sand box ! If Dublin had in the last few years a decent manager they would have another Sam to go on about by now. Was Caffrey a goodn ?
Having said that there is the law of probabilities, which DCB seem to be putting their trust in - Sooner or later it will work !
Later I think !
Its starting to get'ing
The only point you make that I agree with is that you are no expert. Caffrey is and was a good manager who had brought his club to an All Ireland final and had success managing a club team with some big names and personalities in it. He had also been involved at an inter county level as a selector and was the obvious candidate for the job when he got it. This was not really a gamble by the DCB it was the obvious choice. Especially considering his predeccessor was Tommy Lyons who was an "outsider".
I do not know much about Gilroy, but I dont really have a problem with a man with little experience being selected for the role, particulary with Mickey W in his corner. I am hoping this is different from the Staunton decision, in that the FAI should have known from sitting in a room with Stan for 5 minutes that he was not a manager. He is simply not the motivational type at all. I am hoping Gilroy has a stronger personality. Also he will have played against allot of the players in Dublin and may actually have a better appreciation of what is available to choose from in the county.0 -
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Deffin, I've got to disagree with you in that. I'm not even a Dub but have to say that for the last few years I think Dublin have had the players and were good enough. But my point in all of this has been that Dublin have picked average managers, its been the players that have been picked (selection usually wrong) that have made it look better than it really is. The managers and most of all their tactics have been poor at best. If Micko for example had taken the job what do you think MAY have happened ? Even you as a Kerry man must admit your fellow county man would have pushed it very close, I personally think all the way. You wouldnt see Micko or Boylan acting like a git as caffrey did. How can you have your mind 100% on the job if yor running around shouldering players on sidelines or in front of the Hill, stupid !
Yes alot of Dubs (especially the muppets who seem to have problems leaving the pub in time :mad:) shout louder than they should, but their players work just as hard at the game as the rest of the country and deserve respect too. They can act like gob****es but your fine county players have been known to be far from angels 0 -
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Deffin, I've got to disagree with you in that. I'm not even a Dub but have to say that for the last few years I think Dublin have had the players and were good enough. But my point in all of this has been that Dublin have picked average managers, its been the players that have been picked (selection usually wrong) that have made it look better than it really is. The managers and most of all their tactics have been poor at best. If Micko for example had taken the job what do you think MAY have happened ? Even you as a Kerry man must admit your fellow county man would have pushed it very close, I personally think all the way. You wouldnt see Micko or Boylan acting like a git as caffrey did. How can you have your mind 100% on the job if yor running around shouldering players on sidelines or in front of the Hill, stupid !
Yes alot of Dubs (especially the muppets who seem to have problems leaving the pub in time :mad:) shout louder than they should, but their players work just as hard at the game as the rest of the country and deserve respect too. They can act like gob****es but your fine county players have been known to be far from angels
That is where the difference is Keving, I do not think we have the players. I cant really explain why we dont, we certainly should have. But we have not had a full back since Paddy Christie retired, and we do not have enough scoring forwards. We also do not have a reliable dead ball kicker. These are the areas we really need to work on to improve and get where we feel we deserve to be.
Dont get me wrong, I think Caffrey should have avoided those situations, but at teh end of the day, we went on to take a six point lead in the Mayo match where he had shouldered Morrisey(?) in front of the hill. He could have made some substitutions to change things during the course of that match, and that is where I fell he let himself down, I think the shouldering incident had no bearing on the result whatsoever.0 -
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