CA M4 CQB SEAL upgrade ideas

DisasterIRL

I was just wondering what I should do with my CA M4 CQB SEAL:





I was unsure of this gun at first because of the constant Classic Army bashing but it more than proved itself at Fingal at sunday where it was getting more range than most long arms.

I was considering getting a new front grip and taking away the mount for the iron sights allowing for a bigger front grip.

Any suggestions would be much appreciated

Masada

As with most CA guns the performance is really good, its the reliability they let go on.

its usually the gears that let go, aswell as pistons being common, Id start with the gears and the piston, it'll be a lot more reliable then.,

EDIT: a gaurder silicone hopup will give you a much petter range over the standard hopup in them too.,

gerrowadat

CMAG

DisasterIRL

What about esthetic upgrades?

AirsoftEire.com

I don't know where all this CA bashing originated, because I don't think anyone is qualified to comment on any manufacturers line of AEGs unless you sell them by the bucketload each week. We have had ONE M15A4 CQB strip a gear, in an ENTIRE year. That's the only CA product we've accepted a return on.

You hear people bashing a line of AEGs because some guy and his mates AEG "stopped working", therefore 100% of their line is unreliable. It's such a load of rubbish and i'd like to dispell all myths about CA gear right now.

My CA MP5 has had over 45,000 rounds put through it over the last 2 years and i opened up the gearbox the other day and it literally looks like new. I didn't even have to regrease it or clear out any shavings. Same story with my mates M15A4 CQB that i upgraded, prestine.

You should have years or reliable use DisasterIRL. As for an upgrade, my mate tried a dot scope instead of the CQBs iron sight and much prefered it. I prefer iron sights myself but maybe borrow one of someone at your next skirmish for a game and see if you prefer it. I had to agree that it certainly looked better.

Steve

SniperSight

Some sort of silencer would look good IMO. That said that would ruin the whole shorty thing if thats what you want.
I reckon an aimpoint would go well too.


As far as CA goes, I've had two M15A4s die on me and my brother had his M16 die so, not to say their crap but I would definetaly be cautious of CA guns now, based on personal experience.

Beast ASI

2nd Vtec on the new hop rubber, as the CA one's pretty bad.

AirsoftEire.com wrote: »

You hear people bashing a line of AEGs because some guy and his mates AEG "stopped working", therefore 100% of their line is unreliable. It's such a load of rubbish and i'd like to dispell all myths about CA gear right now.

Just because you've had a good experience does not make it a whole load of rubbish at all. I've not heard it that way at all, from personal experience I've found them to be unreliable, and from friends personal experiences - One of the things that makes them unreliable is the inconsistency of them - which could be a reason why yours has worked fine e.g One shell will fit specific bushings, while another won't. Their piston *especially* is very poor quality, and the "CA" stamped gears.

Masada

AirsoftEire.com wrote: »

I don't know where all this CA bashing originated, because I don't think anyone is qualified to comment on any manufacturers line of AEGs unless you sell them by the bucketload each week. We have had ONE M15A4 CQB strip a gear, in an ENTIRE year. That's the only CA product we've accepted a return on.

Well to be honest i would say im as qualified as your going to get as far as opinions go. ive seen loads of them pack up during games in HRTA and in most cases i was the person who they were sent to for repair, from all the CA gear tony had coming in i would say the failure rate would be somewhere in the 70-80% range and i can say whole heartedly that their internals are complete cr*p. as an example, there was a order of 8 CA sportlines and 8 Prolines in a few months ago and within about a week or two i had seen the internals in every one of them.

Im not "someones mate" down the pub with an opinion but i am the person who's been repairing most of the cr*p that CA are churning out.,:)

Puding

Have to say from experience with cork we have had a rate well above 50 % at least, the gears stripping all there teeth seems to be the most common area of fault from the aegs i've had to fix.

AirsoftEire.com

I wasn't refering to anyone in this thread when I mentioned someone and their mate. And I have seen DOZENS of clones packing in at all of Irelands skirmish sites, plus the usual share of everything else, VFC, a fair few G&Ps ive noticed, plus a lot of the chinese pistols. So is that to say all of the above aren't worth buying? Absolutely not.

All i'm saying is that each person is subjected to being around a failing gun at some stage, be it their own, a mates or someones at a skirmish. Because you hear 3 of one brand packing in refers more to a coincidence that an overall conclusion. You also have to take into account how well threated the AEG is, what battery is used, how much strain the player puts on the gun etc etc.

Anything that fails consistantly from a retailers point of few isn't worth selling as it's more hassle than it's worth. As such, anything that's unreliable is no longer sold. Until we start getting more than one Classic Army AEG back a year, we'll continue to supply them as we believe they're well made. And whenever my CA MP5 packs in, i'll be getting another.

Steve

Masada

i can see where your comming from steve but the golden word in there, your MP5 is 2 years old. thats from when CA had a good reputation but anything from the last year or so has been cr*p.
thats not to say that other brands dont fail but not in the sort of numbers ive seen with CA, infact you'll find dboys and JG gears are far superior to that used in CA guns be it sportline or proline.
off the top of my head i can only remember ever fixing one or two broken JG g36c's for instance, and thats a really common rifle. compare that to a pallet load of M15 sportlines(mine, blays), M16 Vietnam prolines, (defenderdude), G36 prolines (Flashingbluelite), CQB seal prolines (biohazard) MP5 proline(tommyboy) and numurous others. those are just the people from here and loads of others arnt here on boards.
The only reason i would ever buy another CA rifle again would be for the exterior quality, they do a good job of that.,.,

AirsoftEire.com

Well I guess time will tell, i am aware of the Sportsline issues, however I suppose you get what you pay for. We've had nothing but positive reports back from recent enough sales, perhaps Classic Army went through a bad few quarters in regards quality control and we skipped those batches, or maybe those mentioned have just been unlucky.

A fair few people seem to use 9.6v batteries in Classic Armys because they state that certain AEGs can take them. If ever a customer asks if they can do this I always tell them to stick to an 8.4v, the ROF increase isn't worth the shortened life of the AEG.

Steve

Fallschirmjager

disaster,

here is what i would do.

firstly i think you have to decide if its to remain a cqb or not. now in light of the posts here i dont want to get into how much i dislike ca, with one exception...your aeg. if it wasnt so expensive i would have bought it long ago. personally i think its one of the cooler m4s out there. if it was me i would leave it alone but i know whats it like as i have gutted some of mine for i suspect the same reasons you are looking at. so i think the first issue is cqb or not? that answer will tell you the direction you want to go in. here is some things to think about as nice extras


get a cool looking sight...an eotech for example.
a grip and light, the integrated ones or get a real (copy) PEQ, they are on ehobby for 100 dollars or so minus shipping (from g&p). that has an integrated light and laser.

i would search the web for delta/seals photos of what they have on the aeg's, er, rifles and try to copy some of those.

i dont know if it comes with a rear sling swivel, if not they are easy to put on and a nice extra.

change the flash hider, many many new types now out there from element that are cheapish

now this gives you loads of options. you can get one that clips on over the flash hider or one you want to leave on permanently. if its the latter you can change the barrel length also. if you do go for longer barrel, i can give you a small piece of advice, get a new hopup unit, new barrel etc so you can quickly swap from short to long with the removal of a pin or 2. that will allow you to quickly reconfigure from short to long depending on the game and look you want.

if you need any more or links to what the hell i am talking about just let me know.

also sometimes, its a good idea when you have a really cool aeg like this, is not to mod it but to get a new aeg, something different (a scar perhaps?). then bag it up for a while, come back in a month or so and see if you still want to change it. you may find then you are happy enough with it. buying the addons doesnt matter they can move from aeg to aeg.

thats just my tuppence worth.

DisasterIRL

Firstly thanks to everyone for there input, especially Fallschirmjager for your indept look at what I should do and it seems to be the best idea, I'm not really sure what I want to do so I think I shall go for a new one as suggested, but I would still like to hear peoples two cents.

skapegoat

I would go with small compact and practicle.

Picture a mini acog, http://www.eirsoft.ie/store/product_info.php?cPath=36&products_id=121

Maybe a flash light? http://www.eirsoft.ie/store/product_info.php?cPath=25&products_id=240

But prefer a redot pointer
http://cgi.ebay.com/Airsoft-FULL-METAL-ADJUSTABLE-Red-Laser-Sight-Dot-Scope_W0QQitemZ360095460849QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item360095460849&_trkparms=72%3A1205|39%3A1|66%3A2|65%3A12|240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

After that a ready mag for practicality.



http://www.airsoftarms.com/Classic-Army-Ready-Mag-System

Thats what i would do personally.



Also as vtec suggested get a new hopup, he knows better than most when it comes to inside the beasties.

ED E

I'd have to say leave the mini/full size ACOG, go with An Eotech replica or a Reflex Sight(circa €25 shipped on ebay:)) For closer ranged enviornments it'd be better.

Lights and all look cool, and for indoor sites may be of use.

And, in agreement with above, mag changes for CQB(which its deigned for) will need to be fast, very fast. I'd say maybe 120s in Mag-Clamps, or maybe a readymag. Either way you'll need a fast drawing vest, load bearing piece.