GBB for Practical Pistol

bullets

I found a URL a few days ago (Not the MIA one which I just looked at a few mins ago)
about Practical Pistol. It was some Online store that sold a WE 1911 Pistol
along with a pack of small black targets that were placed on a Mat of some kind and
there was a timer with it. The idea being you timed yourself knocking over the targets
and uploaded your score to the Internet to see how you ranked with other players
across the world. Of course whatever package they were selling was over the top
price wise but the timer interested me! Cant remember the URL now but
it spiked my interest.

Also came across this site this morning (I had not seen it before)
Fairly strict rules on holsters but they dont appear to recommend any
Equipment.

http://www.airsoft-shooting.org/

Can anyone recommend a GBB pistol that would be good for Practical Pistol?
I'd like to buy something new thats ideally full metal, and with adjustable rear sights.
and that will be able to use Propane. I'm guessing peeps will say just
buy a Hi-Cappa but there are so many to choose from.

I've got a KJW P226 and M9 and also a WE 1911. But I want something new
(as soon as my new credit card comes in next month) and a bit different.
Will also be on the look out for a holster for whatever I buy.

I noticed when firing my pistols that the WE 1911 had horrible sites,
the P226 sites were lovely where you could line up the 3 white dots.
But the P226 was double action and the 1911 offered a much better
trigger pull being single action. Then you start thinking of fixed hop up and
adjustable hopup and mag capacity etc.

~B

NakedDex

Your best bet are hi-cappas and TM race guns. They provide the platform onto which most dedicated PSC shooters build theirs. They have the best performance in that discipline but also have some of the widest range of upgrade parts and accessories.

bullets

So much to oogle over..... forgot to mention Price Range needs to be sub 200 Euros!
http://aaps-federation.org/AAPS2/Media_Gallery/Handguns/


~B

Captain Chaos

I really like the looks of the Standard form Fire and the Kimber, really nice looking pieces.

iceage

Cough* Glock cough*

Oh look! theres a couple of Glocks in there...TM, KSC,

ED E

Ohhh, I like this one...

Frank the Manc

if youre fixing to go Open Class and drillin and tappin the frame for a mount, avoid getting a WE, it will not stand up to any amount of recoil.
i would sugges goin TM for that, even the KJW are a bit soft.

bullets

Frank the Manc wrote: »

if youre fixing to go Open Class and drillin and tappin the frame for a mount, avoid getting a WE, it will not stand up to any amount of recoil.
i would sugges goin TM for that, even the KJW are a bit soft.

I'd love something from Western Arms have heard good stuff about them.

I really am not a fan of TM brand. I know they are good and
the finish is great but I'm biased against ABS I'm a metal lover first.
When I look at Pistols and AEG's its the first thing I check for.
Whats ABS and Whats metal. Idealy Nylon Fibre yummy but
ABS not so Yummy when it comes to the plastic parts!

Thought I heard someplace that TM were starting to make all metal
airsoft gear in the future though Maybe it was my imagination.

The WE are all metal and the TM's are all ABS though?
The ABS is better than Metal for standing upto the recoil?
And I was just about to buy a WE late last night!
I was about to ask about all the drilling and tapping
dunno if the Kits sell the necessary tools.

I think I would prefer the standard class if I was to ever do it rather than the open site.
But would like to have a pistol that could do both. Saw someplace last night a bracket
for an open site that went onto the tactical rail for a Glock that came with all the fittings
I was not sure if it fitted without needing to drill holes in the body of the pistol.

Right now fighting the urge to buy 3 standard pistols.
The new JG Glock (I dont like Glocks) a USP and a Hi-Cappa.

I also spotted Airsofteire are now stocking upgrade parts for GBB pistols,
which is fantastic.

~B

NakedDex

Not to sway you at all (I don't like hi-cappas myself. I'd prefer the USP), but have a quick look on Redwolf and WGC for hi-cappa parts. The list is huge and you can be as creative as you want with how you'd like the finished product to look. Shiva recently got a TM hi-cappa with a metal frame and plastic slide. One metal slide, an upgraded recoil spring and some tlc later and it's now the best looking (and performing) hi-cappa I've come across.

Frank the Manc

NakedDex wrote: »

Not to sway you at all (I don't like hi-cappas myself. I'd prefer the USP), but have a quick look on Redwolf and WGC for hi-cappa parts. The list is huge and you can be as creative as you want with how you'd like the finished product to look. Shiva recently got a TM hi-cappa with a metal frame and plastic slide. One metal slide, an upgraded recoil spring and some tlc later and it's now the best looking (and performing) hi-cappa I've come across.

hes right about the ugrade parts, Practical is absolutely massive in the far east, you can bea the coice youll find in upgrading.
i hate plastic guns, despise them, the only valid use they have is if someone wants a ligth skirmish back up.
but that said you can get a metal frame TM, chuch the slide and bang on of these on it:
http://rsov.com/index.php?target=categories&category_id=92

cant be found on ehoby and the other sites as well.
and viola youll have a solid reliable pistol.

if you dont feel confident enough to drill and tap or dont have the tools you can get an attachment for the 20mil rail underneath, also on ehobby......but some TM Hicappas have the rail in the box but its not atached to the guns youre left in the same prediciment, drilling and tapping.
although its nice to have the option though of not having a rail on your gun, for those who arent into tacticrap

Beast ASI

TM Hi-Cappa and upgrade the hell out of it......

I personally don't like the look of the thing, but you just can't beat them when it comes to airsoft pistols.....

Michael-O'Neill

What exactly is Practical Pistol? Where can you do it?

Kristov

practical pistol is target shooting against the clock ...."not at the clock":D

MacAonghusa

Very much interested in practical pistol but know little about it. I was under the impression that there was very little between GBBs in terms of performance.
What do you need in a Practical Pistol pistol? Reliability, accuracy, precision? Or all of the above?

Is my KJW P226 suitable or should I be looking at something different? Something light and accurate like the TM Glock 17?

bullets

I've been reading where people are saying even using a speed loader to
load magazines slightly scratches or scuffs the BB's and effects accuracy and
they've done tests!!! so it appears someplayers are very fussy.

The Club I shoot with does practical pistol (real steel) but I doubt I
would have the patience to go to the trouble of trying to get a licence
of a real pistol and have the hassle of upgrading alarms and jumping through
hoops with my super etc. Way easier to do airsoft practical pistol.
Dont have to worry about being a club member, dont have to worry about steel/earth backstops as its only .2g BB's, no licence fees, Ammo cheaper! and you can do it
almost anyplace that you have a bit of space like a garage or room!
Lastly dont have to travel from one end of the country to the other to practice.

All good :-)

~B

Frank the Manc

there are two classes;
open class which is these kinda guns:
http://www.drslpc.com.au/newsite/files/images/30.jpg

Hi cappas, berettas, glocks, 1911's all upgradeble as much as you can afford.
or standard class which is non-upgraded, standar sights.
all you need is a pistol and two spare mags and a a holster.
you could get everythng you need for a bout €160 all in.
i belive there is a course in MIA if youre interested but i havne a clue about details, headin out there tomorro to find out.

you given a timed task to solve, that being a scenario with multipe targets shot over a non-stationary course, and can have innocents mixed into it.
you shoot at targets between 8 & 15 centimeters in size at distances of between 2 and 20 feet.
the ideal of IPSC is that you never shoot the some course twice.
you basicaly hace to shoot accurately as fast as you can.

this will probbaly explain it better than i can

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIsq4Hw2uTI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Mq9ceishEw&feature=related

Tigger

MacAonghusa wrote: »

Very much interested in practical pistol but know little about it. I was under the impression that there was very little between GBBs in terms of performance.
What do you need in a Practical Pistol pistol? Reliability, accuracy, precision? Or all of the above?

Is my KJW P226 suitable or should I be looking at something different? Something light and accurate like the TM Glock 17?

226 is a two type pull trigger

type one cocks and fires type two just fires (i'm sure there is a technicial term)

ksc glock 17 has a nice trigger pull i'd use the bigger mags for stability and a nice large gas resoviour to alleviate cool down

elsi

Tigger wrote: »

226 is a two type pull trigger

type one cocks and fires type two just fires (i'm sure there is a technicial term)

ksc glock 17 has a nice trigger pull i'd use the bigger mags for stability and a nice large gas resoviour to alleviate cool down

The terms are called double action and sincle action.
I tink the bigger mag for the ksc glock 17 would be a bit cumbersome for practical shooting.

Rew

Tigger wrote: »

226 is a two type pull trigger

type one cocks and fires type two just fires (i'm sure there is a technicial term)

Its called Double Action (DA) as opposed to Single Action (SA).

Captain Chaos

I find the 226 very accurate, easially the most accurate that I own. Only the first trigger pull is DA, after that the SA is nice and clean, very good for quick follow up shots.

PEP_C

If your looking for a lightweight, durable pistol with excellent sights, get yourself a KSC glock 17. Sights are excellent, its single action, its acturate and its damn near impossible to break. Its also easy to clean and dirt cheap. Best pistol out there for beginners and those seeking a cheap and cheerful sidearm.

NakedDex

IPSC race guns aren't about cheap and cheerful. I agree it's a great (if dreadfully ugly - coming from an owner) pistol. But for IPSC events that aren't in the stock class, you want something a closer to an upgraded TM hi-cappa

Beast ASI

NakedDex wrote: »

you want something a closer to an upgraded TM hi-cappa

Yeah, most other guns for ISPC are pretty pointless when you've got something like that to base it on.

Frank the Manc

i dont agree with that, if you use a bog standard pistol and you can hit the targets with it then thats all that matters.

open guns are only scored against other open guns even though you shoot the same course.
so having a fully up graded gun will only help you against other upgraded open class pistols.

if you can draw & shoot fast an accuratly, then youre at no more a disadvantage than anyone else.

Tigger

but because the da/sa system on a 226 the pull is very long not like a glock etc

thats why the 226 isn't really used

the big mags make a huge difference to cool down and the speed those guys are shooting at would induce cool down in our temperatures

Masada

I dunno if your looking for something in particular bullets, but i just noticed this,

Ive no idea what its chrono'ing at though.,
http://ebaybanned.com/product_info.php?products_id=1754&osCsid=4f073b38bd5395aff3549623c1902622

bullets

seen that before on some other site and it was way cheaper.
Just cant remember where! The same site had the
APS3 clones. I remember cos I was going to buy both.
Gonna Hold off now to see if there is anything in the new stock on eirsoft.ie that takes my fancy!

~B

Kristov

lads try the STI Tactical its a cracking little pistol its accurate very good on gas and best of all it has an adjustable trigger you can soften it up to where you barely have to squeeze it perfect for double taps . its almost full metal well magnesium slide metal lower body with plastic grips . the magnesium slide gives an excelent crisp blowback .

after that the good old KWA G17/34 would be perfect for starting this type of contest .
not much point in buying the TM 5.1 and upgrading the hell out of it unless your sure you like this type of contest .