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Not pleased with new 90 minutes bus ticket :(
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06-10-2008 6:13pm#1So I went to get my usual packet of 10 ninety minute Dublin bus tickets today, and found they don't do them anymore
They replaced them with a single ticket that you swipe as you get on the bus.
I'm thinking they are not as good - cos you don't have the time printed on them (so you don't know if you can get the 2nd or 3rd Bus within your 90 minutes), and then they don't show how many journeys you have left.
The old tickets were great, as you could keep a spare one in bag in case you were stuck or it started raining or something.
Anyone else miss the old 90 minutes tickets ?0
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So I went to get my usual packet of 10 ninety minute Dublin bus tickets today, and found they don't do them anymore They replaced them with a single ticket that you swipe as you get on the bus.
I'm thinking they are not as good - cos you don't have the time printed on them (so you don't know if you can get the 2nd or 3rd Bus within your 90 minutes), and then they don't show how many journeys you have left.
The old tickets were great, as you could keep a spare one in bag in case you were stuck or it started raining or something.
Anyone else miss the old 90 minutes tickets ?
You can still see the time when you swipe it in front of the smartcard reader.
Each time you board a bus the display will tell you how much more time you have left, or how many more journeys.
I'm at a loss to understand your last point? You can still carry the card with you to use whenever you want.0 -
So I went to get my usual packet of 10 ninety minute Dublin bus tickets today, and found they don't do them anymore They replaced them with a single ticket that you swipe as you get on the bus.
I'm thinking they are not as good - cos you don't have the time printed on them (so you don't know if you can get the 2nd or 3rd Bus within your 90 minutes), and then they don't show how many journeys you have left.
The old tickets were great, as you could keep a spare one in bag in case you were stuck or it started raining or something.
Anyone else miss the old 90 minutes tickets ?
I agree with your points about the printed time and knowing how many journeys you have left (although it has been pointed out the machine does tell you) - but that aside I do prefer the new tickets. Having a single ticket is so much handier - and its so much quicker and reliable with the smartcard reader.
The downside is having both a travel 90 and Luas smartcard, the luas card doesn't work inside my wallet anymore - they obviously effect each other in some way
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The downside is having both a travel 90 and Luas smartcard, the luas card doesn't work inside my wallet anymore - they obviously effect each other in some way
I've combatted this sneakily by having the Luas card in the right hand side of my wallet, the travel 90 in the left, and when boarding a bus or Luas, i open the wallet ad touch only the appropriate side against the reader
Like a ninja!0 -
Believe it or not the incompatibility between the Bus Atha Cliath and Luas contactless cards is quite deliberate and testimony to the very deep divisions still extant between the various Public Transport operators in Dublin.
Even the companies within the CIE group still do not have a full acceptance of their "Smart" products.
For example Irish Rail issued Bus/Rail ticketing will still retain mag stripe for the forseeable future...why ??...who knows but its a very big black mark against the most SENIOR people at the helm of the Department of Transport who have already spent €40 million on "Integrated Ticketing" with NUTTIN to show for it.
At this stage I believe its time for ordinary users to start getting annoyed...VERY annoyed with their local politicians and to point out the lunacy of Departmental policy on this.....or perhaps its just easier to wait until one or more of the current high ranking crop avail of the early retirement package....
Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.
Charles Mackay (1812-1889)
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Believe it or not the incompatibility between the Bus Atha Cliath and Luas contactless cards is quite deliberate and testimony to the very deep divisions still extant between the various Public Transport operators in Dublin.
Even the companies within the CIE group still do not have a full acceptance of their "Smart" products.
For example Irish Rail issued Bus/Rail ticketing will still retain mag stripe for the forseeable future...why ??...who knows but its a very big black mark against the most SENIOR people at the helm of the Department of Transport who have already spent €40 million on "Integrated Ticketing" with NUTTIN to show for it.
At this stage I believe its time for ordinary users to start getting annoyed...VERY annoyed with their local politicians and to point out the lunacy of Departmental policy on this.....or perhaps its just easier to wait until one or more of the current high ranking crop avail of the early retirement package....
I think the conspiracy-averse theory is that rfid chips in the cards interfering with each other within close proximity to the receiver.0 -
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So I went to get my usual packet of 10 ninety minute Dublin bus tickets today, and found they don't do them anymore They replaced them with a single ticket that you swipe as you get on the bus.
I'm thinking they are not as good - cos you don't have the time printed on them (so you don't know if you can get the 2nd or 3rd Bus within your 90 minutes), and then they don't show how many journeys you have left.
The old tickets were great, as you could keep a spare one in bag in case you were stuck or it started raining or something.
Anyone else miss the old 90 minutes tickets ?
Answer to the Op's question, carry a marker, as you touch your ticket write the details and times from your journey on the ticket itself. when it gets cluttered you can clean it again with thinners and start again.
RFID tickets cannot "contaminate" each other unlike magnetic strip cards however if you have two or more different smart cards within a short distance from the touch pad they can possibly confuse the system and give an error reading.
If you have a wallet with smart cards its best to keep them in a wallet in your left pocket (The pocket furthest away from the touch pad). Alternatively you can get a faraday signal blocking wallet.0 -
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I personally prefer the current systemThe cards are only a few cent each when bought in bulk so it's cheaper to buy hundreds of thousands of cards than to install (and support, fix, etc) the ticket machines shops would need to reload the tickets. There are also security benefits to the current system. .
The benefits of the "recharge system" would be that one could top up on line, from a mobile phone, ATM or retail outlet so there would be no excuse for not having a valid ticket if an office was shut.
As mentioned on previous posts the "track & trace" advantages of the Oystercard has curbed vandalism and antisocial behaviour on London Transport to a huge extent. This alone would outweigh the cost of a top up equipment roll out for CIE as it would cut down on security staff and vandalism repair bills.0 -
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All discussion of the current state of play in relation to the "Smartness" of the Bus Atha Cliath tickets has to take into account extent of what has been AUTHORISED by the Department of Transport and the "Integrated Ticketing Project Office" of the RPA which,remember has FULL authority and responsibility for the roll out of such technology countrywide.
As it currently stands the Bus Atha Cliath "Smart" system is operating at a very small fraction of it`s capability.
There were many within the company who favoured a full switchover to the new system,arguing (correctly in my view) that the benefits of the new technology far outweighed the comfort factor of holding on the oul God`s time mag-stripe simply to pander to a Civil Service dislike of anything new or innovative.
The fact that Bus Atha Cliath`s single largest customer grouping,the State Free Transport Scheme participants continue to operate an entirely technology free cardboard card system is testiomony enough to the Departmental stance.
In the end,the word from on high was to proceed with caution,which sees us with the current madcap situation which will end up costing far more mid-term than the full switch option.
Even the relatively low-key suggestion for a limited introduction of a rechargeable Electronic Purse was rejected as being a tad avant-garde for Dublins copper carrying commuters !!
As Minister Dempsey is reported as saying in todays papers...."Transport 21 will be a great idea in a couple of years time"......Game,set and match to the Bufoons. Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.
Charles Mackay (1812-1889)
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Another advantage of the "full smart" system is that people can disolve their smart cards in acetone (nail varnish), remove the tiny RFID chip and place it inside their wrist watch or bracelet for convenience.
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I've combatted this sneakily by having the Luas card in the right hand side of my wallet, the travel 90 in the left, and when boarding a bus or Luas, i open the wallet ad touch only the appropriate side against the reader
Like a ninja!
I now have three "smart cards" -- Dublin Bus travel 90, Luas, and an ID card. I keep having to take one out. It's quite annoying.
I've got the solution for the conflicting cards: one card for ID, driver licence, library card, DVD rental card, transport, health, social welfare, as a bank card, credit card, and it could be used for extra stuff such as an airport boarding card etc. Forget Orwellian nightmare, think government IT nightmare. The overruns! The delays! :pac:
look what new york is doing. normal atm cardcard with embedded rfid chipchip every time you touch it's debited from your bank account (note this is on trial)
Joking aside, is it just me that thinks of the sound of alarm bells*?
*my err... creative way of saying alarm bells are going off in my head. I'll get my coat.0 -
Joking aside, is it just me that thinks of the sound of alarm bells*?
Indeed, I worked on the chip and pin project for a major Irish bank. About six months after I finished I went to the states, I couldn't believe that while Europe was trying to make it's cards safer (for the banks but that's another story) the US was making fraud far easier. "No more time wasting with writing your name." It said a lot aobut their logic compared to Europe's.
While you were probably joking about the "one for all" card (and RTDH will kill me ) I think that could be quite good, maybe less than you mentioned but something that worked as more than just a Luas card... 0 -
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Downtown Seattle to Renton or Belleview would be the same as Dublin city to Bray or Swards. The system there was electric out as far as the city centre boundaries, equivilant to the Grand canal on a south Dublin route.paulm17781 wrote: »How big are the distances? Surely it would be better if it was all electric?.
It would be too costly ugly and the service would loose its flexibility if it were to have overhead lines the full distance. I lived there for a year in the 90ies when the project just got off the ground.
For those concerned about privacy issues the "electronic purse" is fully track & traceable among its registered users.paulm17781 wrote: »Something like that is the kind of thing I'd like here. It's no harm and could be very useful.0 -
Run_to_da_hills wrote: »It would be too costly ugly and the service would loose its flexibility if it were to have overhead lines the full distance. I lived there for a year in the 90ies when the project just got off the ground.
Fair enough, I'm not at all familiar with the system.Run_to_da_hills wrote: »For those concerned about privacy issues the "electronic purse" is fully track & traceable among its registered users.
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Not yet.paulm17781 wrote: »Fair enough, I'm not at all familiar with the system.
No one is forcing them to use it.
I quote the Oystercard because it is the "model" that all global transit syatems will eventually copy. The London system is now almost 80% Oystercard. People have been duped into the system by convenience and carrot incentives.
Recently they are "giving away" free travel to those that opt to register with their photo ID on their card, They are slowly wining the battle to getting everyone registered on the system. It will come a time when cash will no longer an option and you will not be allowed travel with out a smart card.0 -
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Good on u MOH,although you will find that 10 spot will not go as far as you may expect,expecially if you are travelling beyond Zone1.
The essential element of the popularity in Oyster use is the MASSIVE savings over cash which it offers.
That was a hard decision which the former Mayor of London,Mr Livingston took in the face of some stiff opposition from the "Traditionalists".
These folks cling to the notion,so popular in Dublin,that watching people delving deep into bags,pockets and undergarments in order to pluck out coins slowly one at a time should be an integral part of everybodys commute.
Take for example the oft quoted problems with vehicular "gridlock" in Dublin City.
Over the past 6 months much of this has virtually disappeared as the recession hit home.
By far and away the greatest CAUSE of Public Transport congestion in Dublin City Centre now is the outmoded and thoroughly inefficient cash transaction based regieme which Bus Atha Cliath is forced to maintain.
The current SmartCard system is fully capable of utilizing an electronic purse mode which would allow massive gains in passenger handling time scales.
Why the Department of Transport has failed to sanction the FULL implementation of the suite of options is beyond me.
Its now long past the time for the Departments Secretary General,Julie O Neill, to be wringing her hands and wailing pitifully about the "pending" Morton Circle Line EU case against the Government.
The reality is that by her Department`s continued moribund inaction Bus Atha Cliath and those hundreds of thousands of passengers it carries each day are being disenfranchised in Public Transport terms in order to facilitate a legal action which may or may not succeed.
Minsiter Dempsey and Ms O Neill should be very aware that the entire edifice of EU Transport Law and it`s interpretation is swaying along with the EU`s core principles at the moment so could they not display the same gumption shown by Brian Lenihan and actually DO something in the Public Interest for a change ?
The Hardware is in place.
The Software is in place.
The Systems are in place.
The Staff are in place.
The Department of Transport,however,is apparently out-to-lunch.....again
It`s also worth noting appropos to RTDH`s misgivings concerning RFID cards that the RATP in gay Paris is currently switching over from the old Carte d`Orange photo ID and card ticket combination to the Optìle card which essentially is a Franco Oyster with exactly the same inducements re registering the card in order to insure against loss or theft....Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.
Charles Mackay (1812-1889)
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