POTC 4

JP Liz

Johnny Depp is to become the highest paid actor of all time after it was reported that he will be earning £32 million for starring in the fourth Pirates of the Caribbean film.
The 44 year old is to make the record breaking amount for reprising his role as the eccentric pirate Jack Sparrow. It dwarfs the previous record setter - Tom Hanks' £29 million for forthcoming The Da Vinci Code sequel Angels & Demons.
An insider told The Sun, "It's a lot of swag but they just can't make another without Sparrow."
While Depp is integral to the swashbuckling franchise, which has made Disney £1.5 billion, it's been reported that the fourth outing won't feature Orlando Bloom and Keira Knightley. It's been rumoured the film will instead focus on Sparrow's journey to find the fountain of youth.
Pirates of Caribbean 4 is to be released in 2011.

Jack's back

fitz

Ugh. Not sure about this.
Dead Man's Chest and At Worlds End were mediocre and abysmal respectively.
I do however, like the idea of not having Knightley and Bloom.
The sequels probably would have worked a lot better without the Turner/Swan characters and the laden down guff that comes along with them. Their story arc could have happily ended with the first movie.

If 4 does turn out to be a Jack-centric, stand-alone story, I'll go see it.
That's what the sequels should have been in the first place.

pixelburp

Pirates of the Carribean was a fine proof of the Law of Diminishing Returns. The first movie was, and still is a rollicking adventure; the second and third progressively jettisoned the charm and humour for a moribund tale of ... hmmm. Actually yes. What the hell were the 2nd and 3rd movies about anyway?

Karl Hungus

pixelburp wrote: »

What the hell were the 2nd and 3rd movies about anyway?

Money.

c - 13

pixelburp wrote: »

Pirates of the Carribean was a fine proof of the Law of Diminishing Returns. The first movie was, and still is a rollicking adventure; the second and third progressively jettisoned the charm and humour for a moribund tale of ... hmmm. Actually yes. What the hell were the 2nd and 3rd movies about anyway?

I think they had something to do with squiddley diddley and some chick with a jamican accent ?

If its about sparrow and doesnt reflect back to the second and third films then I think it could be interesting but time will tell.

pixelburp

Karl Hungus wrote: »

Money.

Yarp; and wasn't it totally shameless about it too?

Vic Vinegar

I shall be giving this a wide berth. I couldn't watch the 3rd for more than 30 minutes, it was sooooooooooo bad.

Sabre0001

Glad to be rid of Knightley to be honest...The best bits of POTC 3 all had J. Sparrow in them (and the single greatest scene / batch of scenes was when there was a crew of Jack Sparrows in No Mans Land (Limbo - can't remember the actual name they gave it))

Fysh

Pass, would be more interested in a new film with similar sensibilities to Curse Of The Black Pearl than seeing yet another horse die of flogging...

(That being said, At World's End was mostly a dire film but had some interestingly surreal sequences like the ship-carried-by-crabs part, although it's notable that those scenes all focused on Depp)

johnny_ultimate

This is a series they should have left at part two: while that was a mediocre film at best, at least there were a few imaginative action sequences (e.g. the wheel or the Roadrunner-esque 'human kebab' chase) that made it watchable, even if it wasn't a patch on the first (although Jack Sparrow had another memorable entrance, but the first is still a masterpiece of comic timing). At least it was recognisably a Pirate film, and I think there would be less negative associations with the series if it had have ended on this disapointing but watchable note. The third one was everything that is wrong with sequels: too concerned with an increasingly po-faced narrative, it loses any sense of fun the initial films had (comparisons with the equally dire Matrix Revolutions - a film which bore very little resemblence to the unique and refreshing original - are obvious).

A fourth one would really have to reconsider what made the first film so surprising and enjoyable (the sense of a live action cartoon, Depp, a witty script that more or less ripped the piss for the duration) and what made the third such a disaster (not silly enough, too much focus on the extremely weak characters like Knightley and Bloom).

Dont be at yourself

The films are a one-joke gag, and one that became tiresome after the first installment.

I'll be avoiding this one.

Galvasean

I suppose an 'Adventures of Jack Sparrow' type spin-off could be good but I'm not giving them another penny after seeing 2 and 3 in the cinema.

Fooled me once, shame on.. shame on.. you!
Fooled me twi...
A fooled man cannot be fooled again!

Eirebear

I think the first one still stands up as a great adventure movie.

The second and third ones where just dire, infact the third was worse than dire.
And considering the budget it had, included some of the worst CGI sequences ive ever seen.

ziedth

Ya I also really liked the first one I used to make a habit of never watching Disney Movies so I don't know what made me go watch POTC1, Still prob one of the films that surprised me the most at how good it was.

POTC2 I was disapointed but still enjoyed it to a point, Which led to POTC3 I was really looking forward to that as I have a bit of a thing for Chow Yung Fat's Movies and I was disapointed with 2 I thought they surely couldn't do another Matrix on it. But They really really did! Awful film nearly as bad as matrix 3 actually. Having said all that, I'll go see the next one in the vain hope that it's at least as good as the first one.

ObeyGiant

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

(comparisons with the equally dire Matrix Revolutions - a film which bore very little resemblence to the unique and refreshing original - are obvious).

This is just my own personal theory, but I can't imagine it's too far off the mark.

The problems with the Pirates of the Caribbean sequels are roughly the same as the problems with the Matrix sequels. They're incoherent messes that are disappointing because there are occasional flashes of what made the originals so great, hidden under a pile of babble.

When Ted Elliott and Terry Rossio wrote the first Pirates movie, they took it around Hollywood and noone wanted it. So Ted n' Terry went back to the drawing (writing) board, refined the script some more and took it out again. Again, it got rejected. Repeat this ten or twelve times and then finally Disney decided to option it. But the process of rewriting and rewriting had honed their script to the perfect family-friendly action-adventure romp (and I do personally believe there is no finer film in this genre). This is roughly similar to what happened to the Wachowskis when they were writing the Matrix. Noone wanted it, so it went through a load of rewrites and refinement before being optioned.

Both films were surprise hits. Well, surprising in the level that they hit. So the studios were screaming for sequels, which noone had prepared for, at least not in any any significant way. When the sequels were being filmed, the scripts weren't nearly as polished as the originals. In the case of Pirates, there wasn't even a finished script when they began shooting. If you ask me, this directly effected the quality of those films. All four films could have been so much better if the writers weren't working to such a braindead, must-have-a-summer-blockbuster deadline.

Which is why I'm hopeful for Pirates 4. It's not due to come out until 2012 - 5 years after Pirates 3, which should be enough time to craft a decent script together. As well as this, they're focusing on writing ONE decent movie, instead of churning out two sequels at once. This could still be good.

ziedth

ObeyGiant wrote: »

This is just my own personal theory, but I can't imagine it's too far off the mark.

The problems with the Pirates of the Caribbean sequels are roughly the same as the problems with the Matrix sequels. They're incoherent messes that are disappointing because there are occasional flashes of what made the originals so great, hidden under a pile of babble.

When Ted Elliott and Terry Rossio wrote the first Pirates movie, they took it around Hollywood and noone wanted it. So Ted n' Terry went back to the drawing (writing) board, refined the script some more and took it out again. Again, it got rejected. Repeat this ten or twelve times and then finally Disney decided to option it. But the process of rewriting and rewriting had honed their script to the perfect family-friendly action-adventure romp (and I do personally believe there is no finer film in this genre). This is roughly similar to what happened to the Wachowskis when they were writing the Matrix. Noone wanted it, so it went through a load of rewrites and refinement before being optioned.

Both films were surprise hits. Well, surprising in the level that they hit. So the studios were screaming for sequels, which noone had prepared for, at least not in any any significant way. When the sequels were being filmed, the scripts weren't nearly as polished as the originals. In the case of Pirates, there wasn't even a finished script when they began shooting. If you ask me, this directly effected the quality of those films. All four films could have been so much better if the writers weren't working to such a braindead, must-have-a-summer-blockbuster deadline.

Which is why I'm hopeful for Pirates 4. It's not due to come out until 2012 - 5 years after Pirates 3, which should be enough time to craft a decent script together. As well as this, they're focusing on writing ONE decent movie, instead of churning out two sequels at once. This could still be good.

Excelant Post, Very well thought out

bnt

POTC4? I didn't that they had made sequels to Passion Of The Christ? OK, O can imagine POTC2: Second Coming, but the 3rd and 4th are a bit much...

Dont be at yourself

POTC4? I didn't that they had made sequels to Passion Of The Christ? OK, O can imagine POTC2: Second Coming, but the 3rd and 4th are a bit much...

You missed PotC 3: Coming to America. It's a (loaves and) fish out of water tale about an old fashioned guy from Nazarath who falls in with the kerrrrazy John Smith and hi-jinx ensue.

MooseJam

wtf 32 doesn't dwarf 29, thats plain ridiculous, they are very similar fees

JP Liz

High School Musical heartthrob Zac Efron has agreed to star in the fourth movie in the Pirates Of The Caribbean franchise, it has been claimed.

Johnny Depp earlier this month signed up to reprise his role as Captain Jack Sparrow in the film for £32 million - the biggest paycheque ever for an actor.

Efron will reportedly receive a $10 million (£5.8m) fee to appear, with Disney bosses keen to sign him up after he revealed that he may be reluctant to take part in any further High School Musical projects.

"Disney knew that Zac was reluctant to do any more High School Musical movies. He had already said there was 'no way' he'd return as Troy. So the Disney brass came up with an offer he couldn't refuse," a source told the National Enquirer.

Will there be singing and dancing in this movie so

bluto63

I'm looking forward to it. I enjoyed PotC1 & 3, not so much 2, but still kept me fairly satisfied. And as Obeygiant said, they have enough time to form a proper script this time

JP Liz

Russell Brand is thrashing out a deal to appear in Pirates of The Caribbean 4 — as Captain Jack Sparrow’s brother.
The deal to play Jonathan, younger brother of Johnny Depp’s character, could be worth £5million.

It would catapult Brand, 33, into the Hollywood A-list less than a week after resigning from his Radio 2 show over the Andrew Sachs phone row involving him and Jonathan Ross.

A source said: “There couldn’t be a role more perfectly suited. There’s a lot of Jack Sparrow in his mannerisms and behaviour. Depp’s accent isn’t a million miles away from Russell’s either.

“Russell joining the Sparrows alongside Johnny and Keith Richards as their dad will complete the ultimate on-screen pirate family.”

Brand, based in Los Angeles for the next few months working on new films and a Comedy Central special, has already formed a close relationship with Disney.

In his first US theatre show since the Radio 2 scandal, he took a swipe at Sachs’s granddaughter, burlesque dancer and model Georgina Baillie — who was at the centre of the phone storm.

He told the audience in West Hollywood: “Burlesque and erotica – I’ve been rethinking it of late.”

Manuelgate Scandal completely blown out of proportion

The Sparrow Family imagine all the eye pencil used

ziedth

My god I can imagine Jesus weeping at this......................

brennaldo

i hope barbosa and all the black pearl crew are back, it sounds ok but im not entirly sure about this one

Podge_irl

Oh good Lord....Russell Brand? There goes any chance of this being anything but another moronic piss-take.

senordingdong

I think there's room for this.

As said the first one was great, but the sequel suffered from being just that....a sequel.

They should have gone for a series of once off stories, like Bond movies (or what they used to be anyway) so if this and the inevitable fifth film are stand alone with no ties to previous movies, I think they could be very good.

Podge_irl wrote: »

Oh good Lord....Russell Brand? There goes any chance of this being anything but another moronic piss-take.

In fairness, Jack Spanner and Russel Brand clearly have alot in common.