L Drivers have things got better

suimhneas

Just wondering if anyone has noticed if there has been an improvements noticed since the new L driver laws came in. Have road deaths come down? Are there less idiot drivers out there? I just have this idea in my head that the l drivers were not to blame for the carnage on the roads, its idiots that have passed their driving tests think they know it all. Speed is the killer on the irish road and as far as i can see there is absolutly noting done about speed, speed and dangerous overtaking

Gary ITR

I still see cars with L plates and 1 occupant all of the time. In fact I passed 3 on the M4 on Saturday.

eringobragh

suimhneas wrote: »

Just wondering if anyone has noticed if there has been an improvements noticed since the new L driver laws came in. Have road deaths come down? Are there less idiot drivers out there? I just have this idea in my head that the l drivers were not to blame for the carnage on the roads, its idiots that have passed their driving tests think they know it all.

Is this another thread by "hard done by" :rolleyes: provisional/learner driver that can't get to work/college/gym/etc,etc. Tests times are down so no more excuse's. Yes AFAIK there's been 1400 charges in September. Its lunacy letting unqualified drivers on the road for a start. BTW Road deaths are down if I recall correctly.

suimhneas wrote: »

Speed is the killer on the irish road and as far as i can see there is absolutly noting done about speed, speed and dangerous overtaking

Nothing done?? They've purchased 8 speed vans & I've seen more Garda speed checks in the last 3 months than over the last 3 years!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 2 Last week for the record!!

Zube

suimhneas wrote: »

Speed is the killer on the irish road

It's so true, if we all just reduced our speed by 5 kph, it would cure cancer and the common cold!

eringobragh

Zube wrote: »

It's so true, if we all just reduced our speed by 5 kph, it would cure cancer and the common cold!

...and put an end to world hunger

Heroditas

Onkle wrote: »

I still see cars with L plates and 1 occupant all of the time. In fact I passed 3 on the M4 on Saturday.

They could have been fully qualified drivers whose cars are used by L drivers.

suimhneas

eringobragh wrote: »

Is this another thread by "hard done by" :rolleyes: provisional/learner driver that can't get to work/college/gym/etc,etc. Tests times are down so no more excuse's. Yes AFAIK there's been 1400 charges in September. Its lunacy letting unqualified drivers on the road for a start. BTW Road deaths are down if I recall correctly.



Nothing done?? They've purchased 8 speed vans & I've seen more Garda speed checks in the last 3 months than over the last 3 years!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 2 Last week for the record!!

Actually its isnt i dont drive at all by choice, i have a full licence but no car. But that dosn't mean im blind ya know

Gary ITR

Heroditas wrote: »

They could have been fully qualified drivers whose cars are used by L drivers.

They very well could have been and thats why I said that I saw 'cars with L plates' rather than saying I saw unqualified drivers.

Also if you are the holder of a full license it's an offence to drive while displaying L plates

Zube

Onkle wrote: »

Also if you are the holder of a full license it's an offence to drive while displaying L plates

You're kidding!

pyramuid man

What I have noticed is the idiocy of some full lisenced drivers. I was driving over the weekend and I was overtaken along with about four cars ahead on a corner in a 60kmh zone, on a narrow bridge with a turn on it and when another car came the other way, he swinged in violently nearly causing what would surely have been a multicar pileup as it was p*ssing rain. And thats not the only time I was overtaken doing the speed limit in bad weather a dangerous corners this weekend alone. I think the standard of drivers has decreased in the last three to four months. F**king mental people out there.

shoelaceface

Onkle wrote: »

They very well could have been and thats why I said that I saw 'cars with L plates' rather than saying I saw unqualified drivers.

Also if you are the holder of a full license it's an offence to drive while displaying L plates

is it??

that cant be right! iv never heard of that!

what all the L drivers seem to be doing is taking down their L plates to lower the risk of being stopped by the gardai at a checkpoint where they are only looking for tax or whatever! so lots and lots are still provisional but driving around with their L plates deliberatly removed

Biro

suimhneas wrote: »

Just wondering if anyone has noticed if there has been an improvements noticed since the new L driver laws came in. Have road deaths come down? Are there less idiot drivers out there? I just have this idea in my head that the l drivers were not to blame for the carnage on the roads, its idiots that have passed their driving tests think they know it all. Speed is the killer on the irish road and as far as i can see there is absolutly noting done about speed, speed and dangerous overtaking

Can you really measure if it's saved a life or not? Anyway it's stupid that an L driver was allowed drive alone, so whether it's saving lives or not, it had to be dealt with.

Rovi

Onkle wrote: »

Also if you are the holder of a full license it's an offence to drive while displaying L plates

I'm pretty sure that's the case in the U.K., but not here in Ireland.
I'd love to be wrong on that though.

Biro

Rovi wrote: »

I'm pretty sure that's the case in the U.K., but not here in Ireland.
I'd love to be wrong on that though.

In all fairness, even the most vigilant people wouldn't be arsed reaching in and taking down the L plates and putting up the L plates two or three times a day depending on who's driving the car!

nice1franko

Onkle wrote: »

I still see cars with L plates and 1 occupant all of the time. In fact I passed 3 on the M4 on Saturday.

L plates are up on my car cos my gf is learning. couldn't be bothered taking them down.

L1011

Onkle wrote: »

Also if you are the holder of a full license it's an offence to drive while displaying L plates

UK law, not Ireland.

ninty9er

L Drivers aren't necessarily the problem, It depends on the driving habits of the entire driving population, which isn't bad, but like some of our roads, has some awful blackspots
(i.e. not being capable of driving at the posted limit or driving in the overtaking lane, or not having the general courtesy to pull in a little to let people pass when they're holding up traffic)

andrewh5

ninty9er wrote: »

L Drivers aren't necessarily the problem, It depends on the driving habits of the entire driving population, which isn't bad,

Ye are having a laugh right? :rolleyes:

The standard of driving in this country is generally appalling! No lane discipline, driving all the way around roundabouts in the left hand lane, taking up to 10 seconds to pull away when traffic lights change, crawling away from lights, junctions etc instead of accelerating briskly away, driving with front fog lights on when it isn't foggy or snowing (illegal BTW)........ Shall I go on???????

Gary ITR

MYOB wrote: »

UK law, not Ireland.

You sure? A Guard tore me a new one at a checkpoint when I was driving a car with L's on it. Wasn't my car and I was insured to drive it

TheNog

Onkle wrote: »

Also if you are the holder of a full license it's an offence to drive while displaying L plates

tbh never heard of that one and wouldnt think it is enforced much either. could be wrong though.

Biro

andrewh5 wrote: »

Ye are having a laugh right? :rolleyes:

The standard of driving in this country is generally appalling! No lane discipline, driving all the way around roundabouts in the left hand lane, taking up to 10 seconds to pull away when traffic lights change, crawling away from lights, junctions etc instead of accelerating briskly away, driving with front fog lights on when it isn't foggy or snowing (illegal BTW)........ Shall I go on???????

Drive in Sicily or even Spain for examples of bad driving attitudes. Apart from the unbelievable things people do on Irish roads, by and large driving here is rather comfortable.
Some places in Europe are just menacing, with aggressive attitudes that are almost suicidal.
Having said that, the UK is streets ahead of Ireland as an example in general of a nation with a good driving attitude.

timmywex

Onkle wrote: »

They very well could have been and thats why I said that I saw 'cars with L plates' rather than saying I saw unqualified drivers.

Also if you are the holder of a full license it's an offence to drive while displaying L plates

You can throw as many stickers on the back of your car as you wish, just cant be blocking view or making driving conditions dangerous...............your more than entitled to drive with L plates up, maybe you wold think people might take some pity on you!:cool:

ardmacha

Also if you are the holder of a full license it's an offence to drive while displaying L plates

The fact that they didn't make this a requirement when introducing proper L drivers regulations showed clearly that they weren't serious.

L1011

Onkle wrote: »

You sure? A Guard tore me a new one at a checkpoint when I was driving a car with L's on it. Wasn't my car and I was insured to drive it

Someone else on here was told by a Guard that you need R plates after passing your test (NORTHERN Irish law...). There's some GTC that don't know their arse from their elbow let alone the actual law.

jhegarty

Far less L plates on the roads.... doesn't mean there is less learners of course

Irishpimpdude

Im a learner driver on a provisonal (not permit) stopped at a checkpoint the other day because i had no insurance disc up guard didnt even mention the fact that i was a learner... lucky one i guess, i was supposed to have my test at the start of this month but they canceled it on me and i wasnt giving a reason so have to wait another 6 weeks... till the 3rd of november so im waiting nearly 3 months from the time i first booked my test maybe more

Fighting Irish

Onkle wrote: »

I still see cars with L plates and 1 occupant all of the time. In fact I passed 3 on the M4 on Saturday.

jesus

Fighting Irish

Onkle wrote: »

They very well could have been and thats why I said that I saw 'cars with L plates' rather than saying I saw unqualified drivers.

Also if you are the holder of a full license it's an offence to drive while displaying L plates

lol no

shaney-baby

its a stupid law!! i lost my job because of it i was driven a van for work and now i have no job as i had no one to drive around with me i asked a guard about just carrying a letter saying i need to drive for work and he said thats not valid i have to have someone with me or dont drive and now i have to wait nearly 3 months to get a place for a full licsense. its the same as anyone else who needs there car for work or old people that need it to get who need to get there shopping and not all L drivers are bad if you notice L drivers are more alert then full licensed people its not that the deaths have cum downs it because there are less cars on the road for people to crash its not just L drivers that crash the real truth behind the law is there was to much traffic conjestion and poluation so they got made this law to cut down

Alanstrainor

Well that was a rant and a half!
You took a job that required you to drive a van, without a license? And you feel hard done by the fact that you were stopped from driving? You were never "allowed" to drive unaccompanied on a first, third and subsequent Provisional license.
And as for your conspiracy about being a ploy to reduce the congestion on the roads, well, it's just ridiculous, if they wanted to do that all they would have to do is introduce hefty congestion charges instead.

L1011

3 months? And you applied before the date the new laws came in - three months ago?

NOWHERE has that long a waiting list for a test at the moment so either you ignored the law coming in and only applied very, very recently - or you're making stuff up. The highest wait time is less than 3 months anyway.

shaney-baby

i no its a rant lol i had the job before the law was made and the company said it was ok to drive with a provisional but if the make a congestion law then people will moan about the same thing saying the cant drive because of that law so many have the same probelm as me i really dont see the point in the law if it was to stop crash's they should enfoce a compulsry test for rection time and driving skills i do see nearly 80 year olds driven cars now i no its not against the law but they wont have a quick reaction time as most people on the road these days and i had the test but the cancelled it on me to a later date and there is a long waiting time becuase all the L drivers are putting in for tests

L1011

Hang on, you got a job requiring you to drive a van before the law was announced - a year ago, then - and didn't apply for a test there and then?

Sorry, this is entirely your own fault. You could have done 4 tests in the time period since the new laws were announced. You could likely get a test for later this week if you phone the RSA at 9 in the morning tomorrow, at that - it might be down the sticks though.

Zube

shaney-baby wrote: »

the real truth behind the law is there was to much traffic conjestion and poluation so they got made this law to cut down

You're a total airhead, but I'd prefer that you don't die in a car, since you'll probably take some of us with you.

I hope it's not me or my family.

shaney-baby

Zube wrote: »

You're a total airhead, but I'd prefer that you don't die in a car, since you'll probably take some of us with you.

I hope it's not me or my family.

what are you talking about

shaney-baby

MYOB wrote: »

Hang on, you got a job requiring you to drive a van before the law was announced - a year ago, then - and didn't apply for a test there and then?

Sorry, this is entirely your own fault. You could have done 4 tests in the time period since the new laws were announced. You could likely get a test for later this week if you phone the RSA at 9 in the morning tomorrow, at that - it might be down the sticks though.

sorry about the ranting my heads wrecked with more then this law thing ill definite ring them tomorrow thanks 4 the advice

Esel

Shaney-baby, a bit of punctuation and the odd capital letter would make your posts much more readable.

Yakult

I got called for my test in 3 and a 1/2 weeks. Was really happy.

suimhneas wrote: »

Just wondering if anyone has noticed if there has been an improvements noticed since the new L driver laws came in.

Not really. See the same ammount of unaccompanied drivers on the road as I did before the deadline.

suimhneas wrote: »

Have road deaths come down? Are there less idiot drivers out there?

Nope, still MANY MANY idiots out there.

suimhneas wrote: »

I just have this idea in my head that the l drivers were not to blame for the carnage on the roads, its idiots that have passed their driving tests think they know it all

They arent totally to blame, Im thinking the same thing. I've noticed its drivers in their 50's to 70's male and female who have given me the most near misses.

suimhneas wrote: »

Speed is the killer on the irish road and as far as i can see there is absolutly noting done about speed, speed and dangerous overtaking

Speed is a killer on every road in every country. Whether they are doing anything about it, I think they finally are.

Biro

shaney-baby wrote: »

its a stupid law!! i lost my job because of it i was driven a van for work and now i have no job as i had no one to drive around with me i asked a guard about just carrying a letter saying i need to drive for work and he said thats not valid i have to have someone with me or dont drive and now i have to wait nearly 3 months to get a place for a full licsense. its the same as anyone else who needs there car for work or old people that need it to get who need to get there shopping and not all L drivers are bad if you notice L drivers are more alert then full licensed people its not that the deaths have cum downs it because there are less cars on the road for people to crash its not just L drivers that crash the real truth behind the law is there was to much traffic conjestion and poluation so they got made this law to cut down

The country is riddled with this stupid attitude.

TheNog

MYOB wrote: »

Someone else on here was told by a Guard that you need R plates after passing your test (NORTHERN Irish law...). There's some GTC that don't know their arse from their elbow let alone the actual law.

At the beginning there was talk in Sept/Oct '07 of introducing the R plates for people who passed their tests but tbh I don;t know what happened to it.

shaney-baby wrote: »

i no its a rant lol i had the job before the law was made and the company said it was ok to drive with a provisional but if the make a congestion law then people will moan about the same thing saying the cant drive because of that law so many have the same probelm as me i really dont see the point in the law if it was to stop crash's they should enfoce a compulsry test for rection time and driving skills i do see nearly 80 year olds driven cars now i no its not against the law but they wont have a quick reaction time as most people on the road these days and i had the test but the cancelled it on me to a later date and there is a long waiting time becuase all the L drivers are putting in for tests

I think most people agree with the changes in the learner area. It is one small part of the whole problem we have with road safety. Speeding is another one that is being tackled as well as drink driving. Another aspect will/should be the full licenced drivers.

L1011

TheNog wrote: »

At the beginning there was talk in Sept/Oct '07 of introducing the R plates for people who passed their tests but tbh I don;t know what happened to it.

Nothing did, unfortunately it appears that said member of the force assumed it had happened...