Drums 2 - the solo.

PaulBrewer

PLEASE DO THE POLL!!

Just to see if there is any interest in organising a drum recording day where folks could come into a pro studio watch and participate in a drum track being set up and recorded.

I've already spoken to Rupert Cobb about coming over from the UK for it and he's interested. Rupert is the guy who records and mixes Live at Abbey Road so he should know the basics

I can't get him over for free so there may be an entrance fee unless I can get a sponsor - there's also the issue of drums and a drummer, which I think I've sorted.

I think I can sponge a studio day too!

I'm hoping our very own StudioRat and Tweeky will be on hand too to share their knowledge/take the piss.

If there's enough interest it could be a fun educational day.

TelePaul

Would this be very expensive though? Getting a studio AND someone over from Engerland? Sounds cool though.

Does he know the recorderman technique?

PaulBrewer

TelePaul wrote: »

Would this be very expensive though? Getting a studio AND someone over from Engerland? Sounds cool though.

Studio - probably free

Drums/Drummer - hopefully free

Lad - Not free

Flight - Not free but not dear

probably 3 or 4 hundred would cover it

TelePaul

PaulBrewer wrote: »

Studio - probably free

Drums/Drummer - hopefully free

Lad - Not free

Flight - Not free but not dear

probably 3 or 4 hundred would cover it

If there were 8 of us, that'd be €50. I'm sorry to say that even that's beyond me now

dav nagle

This is a great idea so I am down with it bigtime. I'll pay any day. Best weekend though !

PaulBrewer

TelePaul wrote: »

If there were 8 of us, that'd be €50. I'm sorry to say that even that's beyond me now

Nah ! 20 quid tops ....... aiming at a 10er

TelePaul

PaulBrewer wrote: »

Nah ! 20 quid tops ....... aiming at a 10er

Totally doable!

PaulBrewer

TelePaul wrote: »

Totally doable!

Zactly!

The aim would be to cover the basics of recording drums with emphasis on avoiding common pitfalls.

There are absolutely no airs or graces about Rupert - so there'd be no shape throwing (apart from me, of course) or nothing for anyone to be intimidated by (apart from me, of course)

The goal is to remove some myths and establish some facts as a good starting point for guys to progress from.

TelePaul

PaulBrewer wrote: »

There are absolutely no airs or graces about Rupert - so there'd be no shape throwing (apart from me, of course) or nothing for anyone to be intimidated by (apart from me, of course)

So i can ask him about the recorderman method?

PaulBrewer

TelePaul wrote: »

So i can ask him about the recorderman method?

Anything you like, really.

ZV Yoda

Thanks for getting the ball rolling on this Paul

I'm definately in (again, week-ends preferable).

I'll post a link to this thread in the drummingireland forum too... may be some interest over there.

Thanks

danjokill

again, defo stick my name in the pot!!!!

PaulBrewer

Cool, I've just conatcted a city centre studio to see what they think...

hamester

Sounds great, any idea of when you're considering this? I'm defo in except if its on tue, wed or thurs (Damn needing money )

PaulBrewer

Variables being sifted through, as we speak....

Check here for news.

PaulBrewer

hamester wrote: »

Sounds great, any idea of when you're considering this? I'm defo in except if its on tue, wed or thurs (Damn needing money )

Pull a sickie ya Lightweight!

Here's some of the people Rupert has worked with ....

http://www.mezzrow.co.uk/Logictoolbox/Logicnamedrop.html

i57dwun4yb1pt8

im in if you make it a saturday or sunday - ( but not around november 15 )


note
I will play for free if you get stuck for a drummer as well if you supply kick / 2toms and stands ( or have transport for a kit - im car-less )

im not a famous session drummer or anything , but I know what im doing and willing to learn more.

trackmixstudio

I can donate my Sonor S Class maple and set of A Customs for the day if it doesn't clash with a recording session. This kit records very well.
Of course if he is demoing a modern kit recording it will all be triggered anyway:D

teamdresch

Sundays might be best, I tend to be busier on Saturday.
Dunno how the rest of ye are fixed.

PaulBrewer

Well I'm pleased to announce Deirdre has loaned us her studio, Westland in Dublin City centre for our Drumathon.

Some of you were there at our SSL event a while ago.

http://www.westlandstudios.ie/

The studio is a mid 80s Eastlake Audio facility designed by David Hawkins and has an SSL E series console.


At least we've a venue now .....

PaulBrewer

trackmixstudio wrote: »

I can donate my Sonor S Class maple and set of A Customs for the day if it doesn't clash with a recording session. This kit records very well.
Of course if he is demoing a modern kit recording it will all be triggered anyway:D

Thanks for that Michael - I'm trying to arm twist a 'new' music shop to send down their wares/lads for the day!

Fstudios

count me in!! Nice work Paul.

PaulBrewer

Fstudios wrote: »

count me in!! Nice work Paul.

I won't be doing the Work!

DublinWriter

trackmixstudio wrote: »

I can donate my Sonor S Class maple and set of A Customs for the day if it doesn't clash with a recording session. This kit records very well.

Depending on the day I could also donate my Ludwig Superclassic Maple kit, a Pearl CZX Custom kit and a dash of A and K Zildjians and vintage 3000 Paistes.

I'd pay good money to see how he'd approach mic'ing my Ludwig Black Beauty snare. It's so loud that I stopped using it for live gigs where it wasn't even going through the PA to begin with.

PaulBrewer

DublinWriter wrote: »

Depending on the day I could also donate my Ludwig Superclassic Maple kit, a Pearl CZX Custom kit and a dash of A and K Zildjians and vintage 3000 Paistes.

I'd pay good money to see how he'd approach mic'ing my Ludwig Black Beauty snare. It's so loud that I stopped using it for live gigs where it wasn't even going through the PA to begin with.

Ah! We might take the ole Black Beauty ok!

What's a superclassic? Is that an old kit?

I'm thinking we should go for a modern 'big' sounding drum buzz in the main room and perhaps something older style in the dead drum booth?

DublinWriter

PaulBrewer wrote: »

Ah! We might take the ole Black Beauty ok!

What's a superclassic? Is that an old kit?

Honestly, the Black Beauty is an unweildly beast. I also have a Ludwig Supraphronic snare circa 1974 that I had to refurbish by stuffing cotton wool in the lugs. This was the same model used by Jon Bonham and Keith Moon in the early 1970's.

The Superclassic I/II is Ludwig's flagship Maple shell range.

Over the years, I found cymbals much harder to record as you can't just slap a load of gaffer tape on or apply gates. I've favoured the Paistes more in the studio as they have a 'tighter' sound (especially their crashes/splashes) than the A/K Zildjians.

Top tip for bass drum recording - old 1d/1 pound coin on the batter head held in place by a cross of gaffer tape and a wooden beater on the bass pedal. The top is incredible.

...or just get a Roland TD20 kit and DI it!

PaulBrewer

DublinWriter wrote: »

Top tip for bass drum recording - old 1d/1 pound coin on the batter head held in place by a cross of gaffer tape and a wooden beater on the bass pedal. The top is incredible.

If you want to sound like Simple Minds! Get with the program Daddy-O! You dig? That shizit stopped well before the Punt did!!!;)

DublinWriter

PaulBrewer wrote: »

If you want to sound like Simple Minds! Get with the program Daddy-O! You dig? That shizit stopped well before the Punt did!!!;)

Using 50's jazz-slang to tell me that I'm behind the times? Irony much?

PaulBrewer

DublinWriter wrote: »

Using 50's jazz-slang to tell me that I'm behind the times? Irony much?

I was being subtle!

Let me see how the drum plan progresses, a Black Beauty would be a fabulous addition anyway as it's an industry standard. Many will have heard about them but a lot may not have heard in the flesh ...

TelePaul

PaulBrewer wrote: »

If you want to sound like Simple Minds! Get with the program Daddy-O! You dig? That shizit stopped well before the Punt did!!!;)

I love simple minds!

Dont you ..... forget about me!

jtsuited

it's almost difficult to make a black beauty sound bad!

I do hope someone teaches drum tuning as I think that at least 90% of stuff recorded on a budget has bad drum tuning in it.

Syphor

Yeah mate

I'd be definately into seeing that ,i need some help after buying a helix 18 firewire board, the thing is still sitting in it's box i'v tryed to use it 3 times to record drums and read the manual twice and still can't get any joy so any tutoring in any recording style on any desk would be great, your bound to learn something


cheers
jay

hamester

PaulBrewer wrote: »

Pull a sickie ya Lightweight!

Here's some of the people Rupert has worked with ....

http://www.mezzrow.co.uk/Logictoolbox/Logicnamedrop.html

I'm not a lightweight, I'm a professional!!! Something many people in the Irish music industry could learn from!!!

Syphor

yeah absolutely

eire1

I'd defo be up for this. Sounds like it'd be well worth the time and money.

PaulBrewer

So that's 12 might attend and 3 Pricks ....

I'm not sure that's enough to warrant the effort.

ZV Yoda

Aw, don't throw in the towel yet Paul... looks like there is some genuine interest (me included!)

Do you need a minimum number of attendees for it to be viable?

TelePaul

PaulBrewer wrote: »

So that's 12 might attend and 3 Pricks ....

I'm not sure that's enough to warrant the effort.

This was mentioned on the Irish Drumming forums, of which DaDumTish is a mod (I think) so there might be some interest there??

dav nagle

PaulBrewer wrote: »

So that's 12 might attend and 3 Pricks ....

I'm not sure that's enough to warrant the effort.

You didn't count me and I am a total prick

ZV Yoda

Telepaul... that was me who posted the link on the drummingireland forum... 46 views of the thread, but no responses yet

fitz

I haven't voted, but if this were on a weekend I'd be interested in attending also...

studiorat

I'll show you how to get a good drum sound in Westland!;)

Don't bother with the dead room, move the piano and set up there instead. Apart from being a bugger to get near a kit in there, it's never used for drums the line of sight into the main room is poor. I started working there in '96 I've seen it used for drums once.

The drum sound in the main room is very much governed by where you put the screens, the room is quite neutral but there's very little hi end in the reflections. You'll usually end up with more ambience on the kik then on the snare. More whoop than boosh!!!

ZV Yoda

Hi Studiorat... these are probably stupid questions, so apologies in advance... when you talk about screens in the drum room, what do you mean? Are they partitions/movable walls? Do they absorb the sound or reflect it?

My home setup is a c.10x10ft room… it’s pretty dead at this stage. I’ve placed Rockwool in loose bags/cushion covers around the room to deaden the room sound, which is pretty gank. The kit is on a wooden floor, but aside from that, the surfaces are either loose carpet or Rockwool in bags.

Are there any benefits of trying to use these screen in a dead room like mine?

ogy

sounds great, if i can get away, depending on the day, id definitely pay for this

PaulBrewer

studiorat wrote: »

I'll show you how to get a good drum sound in Westland!;)

Please do!

It's a pity one side of those screens isn't hard, we could liven up the room a bit then.

I'm sure between yourself, Rupert and hopefully Tweeky, youse can show a heap o lads good stuff in very little time.

I hope I'll have the NS10,000s ready by then too...

TelePaul

ZV Yoda wrote: »

Telepaul... that was me who posted the link on the drummingireland forum... 46 views of the thread, but no responses yet

Cool cool so.

PaulBrewer

Saturday November 8th may be a runner.

It looks like Rupert and the Studio is available.

studiorat

ZV Yoda wrote: »

Hi Studiorat... these are probably stupid questions, so apologies in advance... when you talk about screens in the drum room, what do you mean? Are they partitions/movable walls? Do they absorb the sound or reflect it?
They absorb and reflect, they also allow you to change the size of the room.

My home setup is a c.10x10ft room… it’s pretty dead at this stage. I’ve placed Rockwool in loose bags/cushion covers around the room to deaden the room sound, which is pretty gank. The kit is on a wooden floor, but aside from that, the surfaces are either loose carpet or Rockwool in bags.

Are there any benefits of trying to use these screen in a dead room like mine?

The screens or baffles, are movable and are absorbant on the bottom half and have perspex windows on the top half so you can see through. They are on wheels so you can move them around.

I'd say 2 or 3 screens could be handy in a room like yours for vocals and acoustic guitars etc. They let you change the shape of the room aswell as set up areas for a couple of musicians to play together and not have too much spill.

You could store them along the wall if when not in use so they don't take up too much room.

Here's a link to a forum where some guys are talking about how to build them http://www.3daudioinc.com/3db/showthread.php?t=6537

PaulBrewer

PaulBrewer wrote: »

Saturday November 8th may be a runner.

It looks like Rupert and the Studio is available.

Sat 8th it won't be!