National Pride?????

carlybabe1

Couldn't think where else to post this, so feel free to move if on the wrong forum , thanks mods

Just watching MTV (cause I have no life) and had to turn it off, as what can only be described as a joke on us came on
"paddies revenge" any one heard of it??? Im afraid to post a link on youtube for fear people who have been fortunate enough not to see it yet will watch here and threaten my life via pm's:)
Jesus..what I want to know is who is responsible for this type of tragedy, FFS Im mortified Im irish

Am I the only one who feels like this, or am I just turning into Victor Meldrew

Mena

I've never understood "national pride" or the whole patriotism thing... So you were born within specific co-ordinates on the planet, or within imaginary boundaries created by people, who the hell cares?

xzanti

I like it... Yeeeeup.. Actually reminds me of an old Darren Emmerson tune, can't remember the name of it though..

Turd Ferguson

I thought this was going to be about bread...

Wagon

Turd Ferguson wrote: »

I thought this was going to be about bread...

I feel your pain. Anyway, what is it? Another one of their reality shows?

thelordofcheese

carlybabe1 wrote: »

Just watching MTV

This is your problem, right here.

Slow Motion

A bit more detail OP, I haven't a clue what you are on about!

CreepingDeath

Mena wrote: »

I've never understood "national pride" or the whole patriotism thing... So you were born within specific co-ordinates on the planet, or within imaginary boundaries created by people, who the hell cares?

It's do to with people, society, culture, moral values, etc... not co-ordinates.

ScumLord

I'm completely lost, is this or is this not about bread?

junior_apollo

Turd Ferguson wrote: »

I thought this was going to be about bread...

+1... YEH!... Im not alone in my thinking...

Aodan83

carlybabe1 wrote: »

Couldn't think where else to post this, so feel free to move if on the wrong forum , thanks mods

Just watching MTV (cause I have no life) and had to turn it off, as what can only be described as a joke on us came on
"paddies revenge" any one heard of it??? Im afraid to post a link on youtube for fear people who have been fortunate enough not to see it yet will watch here and threaten my life via pm's:)
Jesus..what I want to know is who is responsible for this type of tragedy, FFS Im mortified Im irish

Am I the only one who feels like this, or am I just turning into Victor Meldrew

You're not alome. I know the song, and I gotta say, its absolutely fuckin terrible. Even without the Irish thing, I'm ashamed to have heard it.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Wagon wrote: »

I feel your pain. Anyway, what is it? Another one of their reality shows?

ScumLord wrote: »

I'm completely lost, is this or is this not about bread?

Oui.

Turd Ferguson

Its some shitty dance song with a diddley-eye theme to it.
Its horrible, trust me...

Caoimhín

The last ounce of pride i had left in this country went out the door on Monday night when our government guaranteed a bail out to the banks/builders cartel.

I expect to emigrate depending on the budget.

anniehoo

Is that the song with your man dressed as a leprechaun? I actually quite like it if ye ignore the stereotypical irish clichés in it which are quite funny! Dont take it too seriously OP!

thelordofcheese

caoibhin wrote: »

The last ounce of pride i had left in this country went out the door on Monday night when our government guaranteed a bail out to the banks/builders cartel.

-_-

Roadend

Turd Ferguson wrote: »

Its some shitty dance song with a diddley-eye theme to it.
Its horrible, trust me...

Kind of like Boom boom boom boom Low lie the fields of........?

Miguel_Sanchez

What's the name of that tune they use in it though? It was in Napolean Dynamite too.

Turd Ferguson

Turd Ferguson wrote: »

I thought this was going to be about bread...

ScumLord wrote: »

I'm completely lost, is this or is this not about bread?

**

Wagon wrote: »

I feel your pain

I see what you did there.

Slow Motion

caoibhin wrote: »

The last ounce of pride i had left in this country went out the door on Monday night when our government guaranteed a bail out to the banks/builders cartel.

I expect to emigrate depending on the budget.

And it's loyalty like that that had helped us through the 80s! So long, we'll see you back when we turn the economy around no doubt! :rolleyes:

lostexpectation

patrick dempsey meet diginity.

Caoimhín

Slow Motion wrote: »

And it's loyalty like that that had helped us through the 80s! So long, we'll see you back when we turn the economy around no doubt! :rolleyes:

You stay and get ass raped by your local banker/builder/TD.

Im off.

Ziggurat

CreepingDeath wrote: »

It's do to with people, society, culture, moral values, etc... not co-ordinates.

It's to do with an unwillingness to abandon the tribal mentality.

Dinter

Mena wrote: »

I've never understood "national pride" or the whole patriotism thing... So you were born within specific co-ordinates on the planet, or within imaginary boundaries created by people, who the hell cares?

Well I'd say the people who were born within the "imaginary" boundaries of Darfur would probably wish they'd been born within the "imaginary" boundaries of somewhere else.

scottledeuce

What I want to know is,

how did that chick make her breasts inflate at 0:56?

Vain

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl6vZ0POzZY

*Legs it*

CreepingDeath

Quinine wrote: »

It's to do with an unwillingness to abandon the tribal mentality.

You say that as if it's a bad thing.

Tribal mentality was/is an extremely powerful evolutionary drive.
Humans are social animals, we form groups for protection, co-operation,
social reasons, mutual benefit etc.

Everything from family/extended family groups, neighbourhood watch groups, working groups, volunteer groups etc.

If you want to abandon nationality, do you want the EU to have central control over Europe and disband the Irish government completely?

mike65

Whats wrong with that? Its a frippery, Electric Six lite.

Mike

r3nu4l

Mena wrote: »

I've never understood "national pride" or the whole patriotism thing... So you were born within specific co-ordinates on the planet, or within imaginary boundaries created by people, who the hell cares?

For me national pride is about being proud of where I live. Proud enough that I don't act like a scumbag, I respect other peoples property, I don't litter, I respect people I meet. Ireland is a great country to live in but would be better if people had more pride in themselves and their surroundings. Only the people living there can improve that and by taking pride in their country they can change things.

CreepingDeath wrote: »

It's do to with people, society, culture, moral values, etc... not co-ordinates.

+1

beautiation

CreepingDeath wrote: »

It's do to with people, society, culture, moral values, etc... not co-ordinates.

But it's still about being in thrall to the co-ordinates isn't it? Your talk of shared values, cultures and moral codes is dependant upon people automatically favouring the version of life presented to them by their country over all others just because they're born there. You're saying that the co-ordinates have a magical power, that a geographical location infuses a certain state of mind and viewpoint upon anyone born within it.

In a globalised world I can live to the society, culture or moral code that most appeals to me (Irish dancing leaves me cold, but I love to tango, does that make me Spanish?), so why should I restrict myself by just presuming I must like Irish culture and society the best because I'm born here? I just don't see the logic. I want to travel the world and see it all, with no pre-conceptions about what I am. The place that I ultimately call home will seem to me infinitely warmer for that I chose it! Maybe in the old days when you had to live your whole life among the same people with the same small world views there was some kind of collective consciousness or national identity, but with our glorious feedoms I don't think the concept holds any more and I certainly don't mourn it's passing! I'd much rather experience all different kinds of culture and then live among the one I like best. I want to be defined by the way I live life, not the facts of my birth.

**** song though.

Marksie

caoibhin wrote: »

You stay and get ass raped by your local banker/builder/TD.

Im off.

oh i am staying..i want to see who buys the country now the government is selling it off to the highest bidder... takes the usual FF tactic of selling their own mothers for profit to a new and exciting high.

though i think it would b e the height of irony if ireland gets bought by the brits .

Turd Ferguson

Marksie wrote: »

i think it would be the height of irony

Somebody watches way too much Fraiser

Dinter

beautiation wrote: »

I want to be defined by the way I live life, not the facts of my birth.

The facts of your birth are the reason you have the freedom to do what you wish to do. Just because you benefited from an accident of birth doesn't mean you can sneer at the 100's of years of evolved culture that led up to it.

When you look at the opportunities available to you to travel, educate yourself, find people, places and events try not to immediately condemn what you're leaving as inferior.

Instead you should embrace these "coordinates" that have as far as possible helped you prepare to discover yourself.

Lovely post though.

Guy:Incognito

Yay another thread about evil people calling us paddies.

Dinter wrote: »

Just because you benefited from an accident of birth doesn't mean you can sneer at the 100's of years of evolved culture that led up to it.

Yes, yes you can. You can turn your back on or sneer at anything you see fit. There is no national pride obligation.

joe_chicken

Penguin_Cafe_Orchestra - Music For A Found Harmonium

Steve Mac

It's an English person remixing an English song.

What's the problem?

Dinter

Stekelly wrote: »

Yay another thread about evil people calling us paddies.

No this is more about us calling ourselves paddies instead of "Homogenised Humans" or some such.

Guy:Incognito

Dinter wrote: »

No this is more about us calling ourselves paddies instead of "Homogenised Humans" or some such.

Ah, all is good so. I'm off to sort through my nazi/leprechaun crossover society paraphernalia that I've gather through years of national pride of beign an Irish/German person,:)

thelordofcheese

Turd Ferguson wrote: »

Somebody watches way too much Fraiser

There is no such thing.

Dinter

Stekelly wrote: »

Yes, yes you can. You can turn your back on or sneer at anything you see fit. There is no national pride obligation.

It's so ironic how you use one of the tenets of the Irish constitution to dismiss it.

Delicious.

beautiation

Dinter wrote: »

The facts of your birth are the reason you have the freedom to do what you wish to do. Just because you benefited from an accident of birth doesn't mean you can sneer at the 100's of years of evolved culture that led up to it.

There's no doubt that's true. I know how lucky I am, and I'm just trying to make the best of that fact by not clinging to what seems to me an outdated notion. I'm don't wish to sneer at any past culture, merely celebrate the freedoms that the evolution of these cultures has produced. If it wasn't for the way people had shaped our little coordinates box/country I wouldn't have that. So I suppose you could say that national identity, to me, is the freedom not to have a national identity. So there's no disrespect intended at all. You can move on from history without disrespecting it.

Dinter wrote: »

When you look at the opportunities available to you to travel, educate yourself, find people, places and events try not to immediately condemn what you're leaving as inferior.

Instead you should embrace these "coordinates" that have as far as possible helped you prepare to discover yourself.

Lovely post though.

Thanks. Sorry how I came across, I didn't mean to suggst I automatically condemn it as inferior. Ireland's one of my favourite places, and I love lots of aspects of Irish culture. I just hate the way our culture has to be "Irish", as if there's some unbreakable link between this country's traditions and the people who live here, some absolute difference between me and a French person, (even though we're both absolutely free so there shouldn't need to be), that means I should identify with Irish culture more than them.

Mena

CreepingDeath wrote: »

It's do to with people, society, culture, moral values, etc... not co-ordinates.

All of which are bull**** in that context. You only succumb to "Irish" culture because you were born/bred here. If you were born/bred in some other country, most likely you'd be subsumed into that "culture". As I said, I don't get it. It's all co-ordinates.

r3nu4l wrote: »

For me national pride is about being proud of where I live. Proud enough that I don't act like a scumbag, I respect other peoples property, I don't litter, I respect people I meet. Ireland is a great country to live in but would be better if people had more pride in themselves and their surroundings. Only the people living there can improve that and by taking pride in their country they can change things.

However this would apply to anywhere you lived, not just Ireland yes? So my point stands.

It's time people started taking pride in their humanity and left the invisible shackles of fake borders behind them.

shenanigans1982

It's easy to get the national pride going about this type of stuff.....the guy that recorded it is an english f*cker....lets get him.

OK-Cancel-Apply

The song is just a bit of fun. It's crap music (not my taste), but it's 'take it of leave it' kinda stuff. 'Paddy' is a name also, remember, and it's not that offensive. There's a 'name' for everyone.

I mean, how do Scottish people feel about Fat Bastard or Groundskeeper Willy? It's joke a silly joke, nothing more. Some people here need a thicker skin.

jim o doom

Mena wrote: »

It's time people started taking pride in their humanity and left the invisible shackles of fake borders behind them.

I agree 100%.
Whilst I love the differences in people - their upbringings from different cultures creates; such as different mannerisms, ways of thinking, music & film, I utterly depise that instead of simply celebrating those parts of their cultures, for the most part (in my personal experience), people tend to use these differences as a reason to hate each other.
"My plot of land next to yours is so much better & you are inferior".
I realise that part of "my" national identity has shaped my temperment & mind - who I am - but I lived a good chunk of my youth in an Bahrain, that shaped me too (it being my formative years) & I no more consider that any more important than an Irish national identity.