Ball plugged on fairway

irishtoffee

A lovely sunny day and my ball is plugged on the fairway,(there is no lift and place in) but do i still get a free drop or play it as it lies.

FlutterinBantam

You apply your finger to the ball, gently roll it back from its plug mark and play it.Advisable to advise your playing partners of your intentions.

No penalty through the green.

youcancallmeal

Exact same thing happend to me last weekend as well and I wasn't sure what the rule was. Anyway I asked a guy I know who knows the rules well and he said if the ball is plugged above its own circumference then as FlutterinBantam said roll it back from its plug mark and play it. No penalty. It makes sense as the course don't wont you destroying their fairways as you try to hack it out!

irishtoffee

surely you half to drop the ball?

bigeasy

25-2. Embedded Ball
A ball embedded in its own pitch-mark in the ground in any closelymown
area through the green may be lifted, cleaned and dropped,
without penalty, as near as possible to the spot where it lay but not
nearer the hole.The ball when dropped must first strike a part of the
course through the green. “Closely-mown area” means any area of the
course, including paths through the rough, cut to fairway height or less


Through the Green
“Through the green’’ is the whole area of the course except:
a. The teeing ground and putting green of the hole being played; and
b. All hazards on the course

stockdam

What if the same thing happens in the rough?

bigeasy

Same

“Closely-mown area” means any area of the
course, including paths through the rough, cut to fairway height or less

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FlutterinBantam wrote: »

You apply your finger to the ball, gently roll it back from its plug mark and play it.Advisable to advise your playing partners of your intentions.

No penalty through the green.

Wrong. You MUST drop the ball

FlutterinBantam

fullstop wrote: »

Wrong. You MUST drop the ball

5-2. Embedded Ball
A ball embedded in its own pitch-mark in the ground in any closely mown area through the green may be lifted, cleaned and dropped, without penalty, as near as possible to the spot where it lay but not nearer the hole. The ball when dropped must first strike a part of the course through the green. "Closely mown area" means any area of the course, including paths through the rough, cut to fairway height or less.


Hmmmmm

copacetic

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

5-2. Embedded Ball
A ball embedded in its own pitch-mark in the ground in any closely mown area through the green may be lifted, cleaned and dropped, without penalty, as near as possible to the spot where it lay but not nearer the hole. The ball when dropped must first strike a part of the course through the green. "Closely mown area" means any area of the course, including paths through the rough, cut to fairway height or less.


Hmmmmm

It may be lifted or left as it is. You can't decide something in between. I think fullstop meant that as soon as you decide to take relief you must drop the ball. You can't just roll it out of the pitchmark.

A New earth

You do NOT get a free drop in the rough. Rules usually make sense, it might sometimes be difficult to establish if a ball was plugged in the rough. For example, it might be in old dead grass i.e. when does rotted grass become part of the ground/soil etc etc.

The wording of the rule is a bit unclear at first look & I can understand when somebody is trying to look up the rule on the course they may read it incorrectly.

It is not "Closely-mown area" means any area of the course, including paths through the rough cut to fairway height or less . It is "Closely-mown area " means any area of the course, including paths through the rough, cut to fairway height or less.

A cleared way to say it would be any area of the course cut to fairway height or less. This includes paths through the rough.

scout353

A New earth wrote: »

You do NOT get a free drop in the rough.

As far as I am aware, the new rules allow plugged balls in the rough to be lifted, cleaned and dropped now, the same as in through the green!! ie fairway!

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FlutterinBantam wrote: »

5-2. Embedded Ball
A ball embedded in its own pitch-mark in the ground in any closely mown area through the green may be lifted, cleaned and dropped, without penalty, as near as possible to the spot where it lay but not nearer the hole. The ball when dropped must first strike a part of the course through the green. "Closely mown area" means any area of the course, including paths through the rough, cut to fairway height or less.


Hmmmmm

What I mean is f you take relief you must drop it, you can't just roll a ball out of it's pitch mark, thats the same as placing it

Hmmmmmm

FlutterinBantam

It's not a preferred lie.



Uhmmmm

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FlutterinBantam wrote: »

It's not a preferred lie.



Uhmmmm

Whats not a preferred lie? Rolling the ball out of your pitchmark? Doesn't matter what it is, it's against the rules.

irishtoffee

Just asked lad in club,he said you could get relief last year but not anymore as the rule has been changed.It is now left to each club as a local rule.Now i am more confused after reading all your posts.

PhilipMarlowe

I'm kind of astonished that someone thought you could roll your ball a bit out of its plug-mark on the fairway....
Mark the position of the ball, lift it, clean it, drop it. Or play it as it lies.

The ball doesn't have to be half buried or worse... once part of it is below the level of the ground in it's own pitchmark, then it is considered embedded.

If you take relief and drop a ball which also embeds, then you are again entitled to relief under the same rule, i.e. drop again. If this re-dropped ball embeds, you are then entitled to place the ball as near as possible to where it was dropped, not nearer the hole.

bigeasy

Licksy wrote: »

I'm kind of astonished that someone thought you could roll your ball a bit out of its plug-mark on the fairway....
Mark the position of the ball, lift it, clean it, drop it. Or play it as it lies.

The ball doesn't have to be half buried or worse... once part of it is below the level of the ground in it's own pitchmark, then it is considered embedded.

If you take relief and drop a ball which also embeds, then you are again entitled to relief under the same rule, i.e. drop again. If this re-dropped ball embeds, you are then entitled to place the ball as near as possible to where it was dropped, not nearer the hole.

Is it fairway only. what about rough

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irishtoffee wrote: »

Just asked lad in club,he said you could get relief last year but not anymore as the rule has been changed.It is now left to each club as a local rule.Now i am more confused after reading all your posts.

The way it was is that you only got relief if the ball was plugged in the fairway, and to get relief from a plugged ball in the rough had to be a local rule, and it was in most parkland courses in Ireland, but not in most links courses AFAIK. Last year, there was talk of bringing in a rule giving relief from a plugged ball in the rough also but i'm not sure if this happened...

irishtoffee

Asked my local pro who knows every rule inside out,the rule was originaly only for pros,so the the royal and ancient thought it was unfair so it was brought in for everyone.Then the Gui who according to him have the wright to implement the rule or not changed it again over here,you can't touch your ball if it is plugged.So be careful.Funny thing is if you are in the uk you can get a free drop if the ball is plugged.

Simplyjoe

bigeasy wrote: »

Is it fairway only. what about rough

No one has answered this question.

IMO providing the course/club have adopted the rule it applies to all mown areas including cut rough. Any other experts out there? I would love to know as I questioned a low handicapper last Friday on this and he said only fairway. I feel he may have been wrong!

irishtoffee

Yes in rough also.

mjfarrell1983

Disagree with that - if a ball lands in the rough you have to play it as it lies - doesn't fall under closely mown area. Likewise, if your ball was plugged in a hazard or bunker you'd hardly expect to get a free drop. Golf Club Committees can bring in a local rule if they want whereby you can gain relief from a plugged lie in the rough - pretty necessary after the summer gone by!

PhilipMarlowe

No!
Relief under this rule is strictly reserved for closely-mown areas
i.e. cut to fairway height or less.

For example. Decision 25-2/5
Q. Are grass banks or faces of bunkers considered to be “closely mown areas” under Rule 25-2 (Embedded Ball) and may relief be taken from them under that Rule?
A. No, not unless they are cut to fairway height or less.

Obni

My course has adopted the rule for balls plugged in closely mown areas, and it does not apply to the rough. This 'closely-mown vs rough' distinction is underlined by having a separate local rule covering areas through the green that are not closely mown, but are prone to plugging; e.g. a particular section of rough between two fairways with poor drainage.

Rule clarification bulletin

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Simplyjoe wrote: »

No one has answered this question.

IMO providing the course/club have adopted the rule it applies to all mown areas including cut rough. Any other experts out there? I would love to know as I questioned a low handicapper last Friday on this and he said only fairway. I feel he may have been wrong!

I did 3 posts before yours