Comp Samuel Peter vs Vitali Klitschko oct 11

cowzerp

Samuel Peter vs. Vitali Klitschko
October 11, 2008

Just leave your guess on reply, keep serious chat for other pages, thanks.

scores to be
10 points for correct winner
20 bonus for correct round
40 for a draw as they are harder to guess
5 for guessing a decision
5 for guessing a KO.

T-K-O

Vitali UD

f1dan

Peter KO 9

HOBO 83

Klitschko KO 5

dlofnep

Klitschko TKO 10th.

OrthoD2

f1dan wrote: »

Peter KO 9

Thats funny!

menoscemo

Vitali KO 6

raven136

Klitschko ud

slipss

Klitschko KO round 8

Big Ears

Vitali UD(close)

cowzerp

Vitali ko 7th round.

theone

Vitali UD

ODD-JOB

Samuel Peter ~ K.O !

ROCKMAN

Klitschko KO rd 6

nacho libre

Klitschko by ko in round 6

Judomad

klitschko rnd 8 ko

buck65

Klitscho rd7 ko

Dr_MaSoN

Vitali Klitschko KO r 8

The Arbiter

Klitschko KO 9

Kess73

Klitschko KO 6

eagle eye

Klitschko ko 8

redout

Klitschko TKO Rd 6

fatgav

kilitscko pts

Gannicus

Klitschko K.O. inside 4

joepenguin

Klitschko KO10

sligobhoy67

Klitschko decision

Mazletov

Peter by TKO Round 10.

Gib Srae

Klitschko SD

megadodge

Klitchko pts

theone

Klitchko tko 7th

More Cowbell

Peter TKO 8

nacho libre

Someone found out talk is cheap:)

Big Ears

Peter came in a stone overweight and fought like a man with no desire.
To be effective against Klitschko you have to be agile and quick.
A lack of mobility will mean he will pick you apart with his size just like he did against the overweight Kirk Johnson and Danny Williams. He specialises in taking apart fat Heavyweights.

Corrie Sanders gave a sort of blueprint to beating Klitschko, although he himself came in a little heavier than normal. You must push him back, use your speed and not just stand in front of him.

I think if peter had adequately prepared himself both mentally and physically he might have stood a chance. But it appears he did neither.

Vitali despite a fantastic display for his age and inactivity does look faded to me. He looked more tired than he normally does and he didn't expend as much energy as he used to do so as he never really loaded up on his punches.

I think Povetkin would be the perfect foil for Vitali right now. However the only way that will happen anytime soon is if Povetkin can upset the odds and defeat Wladamir.

Unfortunately this result leaves the Heavyweight division in as bit of a mess.
The #1 and #2 Heavyweights in the world are brothers and will not face each other.

menoscemo

this just proves how good lennox lewis was. lewis beat him ill prepared, yet this guy outclassed his nearest rival (apart from his brother) easily after a 4 year lay off. imagine what lewis would do to peter!!! heavyweight is a joke at the minute.

nacho libre

Bottom line is Peter talked a good game and was made to look limited. I don;t think it was due to a lack of desire. If he can't get motivated for such a fight what is he doing boxing?
While it might have being closer if Peter had fought at the optimum weight, i still feel Klitschko would be good enough to win by decision. Vitali Klitschko is the simply the superior boxer of the two. He looked tired towards the middle rounds because of 4 years of ring rust. I don't think he wanted to go all out to knock Peter out early on and expend energy he may have needed later on in the fight. Other fighters have learned that to their cost.

cowzerp

menoscemo wrote: »

this just proves how good lennox lewis was. lewis beat him ill prepared, yet this guy outclassed his nearest rival (apart from his brother) easily after a 4 year lay off. imagine what lewis would do to peter!!! heavyweight is a joke at the minute.

lewis and vitali are much the same.
Vitali was beating lewis only for the cuts to stop it-fact-end of.

eagle eye

cowzerp wrote: »

lewis and vitali are much the same.
Vitali was beating lewis only for the cuts to stop it-not a fact-end of.

FYP;)

fatgav

menoscemo wrote: »

this just proves how good lennox lewis was.

because lewis barely squeaked by vitali and was behind on two cards when the fight was (wrongly IMO) stopped?

or because lennox was knocked out by two mediocre heavyweights?

or because his biggest wins were over a 37 year old holyfield and a 35 year old tyson?

lennox was a good champion but he was not a great one

Big Ears

fatgav wrote: »

because lewis barely squeaked by vitali and was behind on two cards when the fight was (wrongly IMO) stopped?

or because lennox was knocked out by two mediocre heavyweights?

or because his biggest wins were over a 37 year old holyfield and a 35 year old tyson?

lennox was a good champion but he was not a great one

Wrongly ?, by that definition no boxing fight should ever be stopped on a cut. The lacerations to his face were tremedous !

Lewis did avenge both of his losses, he also beat Andrew Golota, Shannon Briggs, Frank Bruno, Tony Tucker, Razor Rudock, Tommy Morrison, Ray Mercer, David Tua, Henery Akinwade, Michael Grant, Zelijko Mavrovic and Francois Botha.


Lewis was a dominat quality champion imo and up there with any other.
Of course many will disagree and claim his reign was fabricated that he was a lucky man who got people at the right time and would of been knocked out in the first round against yson, Holyfield or Bowe at their best. However I think the fact that Bowe simply refused to fight Lewis but would fight anyone else is a good indicator of how good he really was.

cowzerp

Big Ears wrote: »

claim his reign was fabricated that he was a lucky man who got people at the right time and would of been knocked out in the first round against yson, Holyfield or Bowe at their best. However I think the fact that Bowe simply refused to fight Lewis but would fight anyone else is a good indicator of how good he really was.

you,ve given my answer for me, he was around during a weak division, but i suppose thats not his fault...he's not in my top heavyweights list..

Big Ears

cowzerp wrote: »

you,ve given my answer for me, he was around during a weak division, but i suppose thats not his fault...he's not in my top heavyweights list..

Well if he was around during a weak division then what were Larry Holmes, Vitali's little run after Lewis, Wladamir Klitschko, Rocky Marciano, Ezzard Charles, Joe Louis, Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield, Jack Johnson, Floyd Patterson, Jack Dempsey, I'm actually going to save my self the time of writing every heavyweight champion bar (young)George Foreman, Joe Frazier and Muhammed Ali.

IMO Lewis was around in the second strongest era for heavweights ever so if that was during a weak division what does that say about our sport ?

cowzerp

Big Ears wrote: »

Well if he was around during a weak division then what were Larry Holmes, Vitali's little run after Lewis, Wladamir Klitschko, Rocky Marciano, Ezzard Charles, Joe Louis, Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield, Jack Johnson, Floyd Patterson, Jack Dempsey, I'm actually going to save my self the time of writing every heavyweight champion bar (young)George Foreman, Joe Frazier and Muhammed Ali.

IMO Lewis was around in the second strongest era for heavweights ever so if that was during a weak division what does that say about our sport ?

I dont think you get my point-boxing has improved over the years at all divisions no doubt, comparing marciano and lewis is pointless as there is a massive physical difference, Tyson's division was strong but he did not face top opposition really either.

Lewis may have beat most the old time fighters if they where moved to his era but if he was from that era then i'd say no he would not-he would not have survived ali's time, louis would in my opinion as would evander, bowe even, the other boxers you named are quite small tbh so dont think its fair to compare..

Lewis came good when a strong division was crumbling. he never fought any of the top lads in there peak. bruno even bashed him only for his dodgy chin! bowe imo would of beat him bar his mentality and probably beat many of the all time greats too if his head was right..

Big Ears

cowzerp wrote: »

I dont think you get my point-boxing has improved over the years at all divisions no doubt, comparing marciano and lewis is pointless as there is a massive physical difference, Tyson's division was strong but he did not face top opposition really either.

Lewis may have beat most the old time fighters if they where moved to his era but if he was from that era then i'd say no he would not-he would not have survived ali's time, louis would in my opinion as would evander, bowe even, the other boxers you named are quite small tbh so dont think its fair to compare..

Lewis came good when a strong division was crumbling. he never fought any of the top lads in there peak. bruno even bashed him only for his dodgy chin! bowe imo would of beat him bar his mentality and probably beat many of the all time greats too if his head was right..

Bowe may have been physically capable of beating Lewis but the beating Lewis administered him in the Olympics meant Bowe never wanted any part of him as he didn't believe he could beat Lewis.

Lewis, Tyson, Holyfield, Bowe. It's a strong era and granted Lewis didn't fight them till late on(and Bowe no at all but that was Bowe's fault) when they(and even himself in the Tyson fight) were past their peak. But I don't think we can assume Lewis would of been beaten by either in their prime.

I wasn't comparing fighters directly head to head either. I mean in terms of quality(for its time) that Lewis' era was second to only that of the Ali/Foreman/Frazier era. Marciano's reign was actually a rather poor one, built off defeating old fighters and never was. Some might say the same of Lewis but I'd find that harsh.

Marciano's reign consisted of Walcott(twice, old past his best), Roland LaStarza(never was), Ezzard Charles(twice, getting old past his best), Don Cockell(Light-Heavyweight who had no business at Heavyweight), and Archie Moore(great Light-heavyweight who was probably 112 by the time he fought Marciano).

Now I don't want to discredit Marciano completely, he was a good champion who got the job done(sometimes just), excited the crowds with an all action style and did beat some good fighters even if they were declined.

But I don't think you can put him up there with Lewis when you're comparing fairly the quality for its time. Obviously head to head isn't even worth talking about.

cowzerp

Tyson 85-91, Holyfield 84-94, Bowe 89-95? this was 80's/ early 90's,
this was at the end of the era, when lewis was champ this era was gone,his era was 93-03 , and was weak-more like golota, bruno, briggs, morrison, mccall-all big but not all time world class.

Big Ears

cowzerp wrote: »

Tyson 85-91, Holyfield 84-94, Bowe 89-95? this was 80's/ early 90's,
this was at the end of the era, when lewis was champ this era was gone,his era was 93-03 , and was weak-more like golota, bruno, briggs, morrison, mccall-all big but not all time world class.

The Holyfield-Lewis Unification was in 1999 so I don't see how you could say Holyfield's era was only till 94.

Tyson-Holyfield II was in 1997 so you have to consider that the end of Tyson's era. Tyson did hold the WBA and WBC titles in 1996 so to put the end of his era down as 91 isn't exactly right imo. End of his prime yes, but if we just defined fighters eras by their prime then some fighters era wouldn't have even been while they were champion.

Bowe was still a big name/quality fighter till he retired in 1996, the second Golota fight was in December of that year.

So Tyson 86-97, Holyfield 88-01(I'm ignoring his Cruiserweight career and ending his era with the loss to John Ruiz).

Bowe 91-96(from contender to initial retirement)

Lewis 91-03(from contender to retirement as champion)

Yes Tyson and to a lesser extent Holyfield started in the era before Lewis, but Holyfield fought most of his career in Lewis' era and Tyson was a prominant man in Lewis' era. Bowe fought entirely in Lewis' era.

cowzerp

no big ears, the dates im using are when they where truly finished, ie past there best, thats the point im making, when lewis fought at his prime they where all well finished, including evander, even if he beats valuev..your fitting there dates to make lewis sound better than he was..

Big Ears

cowzerp wrote: »

no big ears, the dates im using are when they where truly finished, ie past there best, thats the point im making, when lewis fought at his prime they where all well finished, including evander, even if he beats valuev..your fitting there dates to make lewis sound better than he was..

Well in that case why did you include Lewis till 2003 ?, are you trying to argue he was at his best against Klitschko ?

fatgav

Big Ears wrote: »

Wrongly ?, by that definition no boxing fight should ever be stopped on a cut. The lacerations to his face were tremedous !

yes, they were. but they were tremendous at the end of round 4 and 5 as well. i felt at the time, and still do, that the cuts were getting no worse and didn't impede him in the fight enough to warrant ending the fight. but that's just my opinion, and i understand the decision regardless.