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Australian Government tightening laws

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  • 25-09-2008 6:51am
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    hertz
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    I have heard from a recruitment agent here in Melbourne that the Australian Government in the last year have tightened up their laws and procedures on companies sponsoring foriegn nationals. The agent mentioned this is a factor as to why some travellers on WHV may not be getting 6 month jobs etc even though they are skilled in a certain area.

    As anyone else heard anything on this?


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    BarryCreed
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    hertz wrote: »
    I have heard from a recruitment agent here in Melbourne that the Australian Government in the last year have tightened up their laws and procedures on companies sponsoring foriegn nationals. The agent mentioned this is a factor as to why some travellers on WHV may not be getting 6 month jobs etc even though they are skilled in a certain area.

    As anyone else heard anything on this?

    hmmm, I'd be interested in finding out more about this. May be a deal breaker for me at my age...


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    kittex
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    I know companies now can't sponsor people over 45 for PR, but they can still take over 45's on a 457.


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    BarryCreed
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    im in the last year of the WHV. So if I did go, it would strictly be to work, preferably at a "real job"


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    Zambia
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    BarryCreed wrote: »
    im in the last year of the WHV. So if I did go, it would strictly be to work, preferably at a "real job"

    It really is not what the WHV is for , you should have a crack at permanent residency. I would hate the thought of my employer holding the keys to my right to live in a country.:eek:


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    BarryCreed
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    Zambia232 wrote: »
    It really is not what the WHV is for , you should have a crack at permanent residency. I would hate the thought of my employer holding the keys to my right to live in a country.:eek:

    I suppose I was thinking about getting the foot in the door for the price of a WHV, get a "real job", then try and get sponsored. Guess I may be expecting to much...


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    Zambia
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    BarryCreed wrote: »
    I suppose I was thinking about getting the foot in the door for the price of a WHV, get a "real job", then try and get sponsored. Guess I may be expecting to much...

    Not saying it still wont work. ...Its happened before.

    All jobs are real jobs by the way.. :-)


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    BarryCreed
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    Zambia232 wrote: »
    Not saying it still wont work. ...Its happened before.

    All jobs are real jobs by the way.. :-)

    yeah i suppose i know what you mean, but if I was 21 I wouldn't give s shoite what I did if I got there, but I'm 31, and would like to get something related to what I'm doing now. I don't know if you can get one on the WHV, maybe I'd be lucky, but I see a lot of 'em advertised constantly in Perth. Is it a case that if they can't fill them, surely as long as I had some kind of a working visa, it would be happy days from their point of view....:confused:


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    Zambia
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    BarryCreed wrote: »
    yeah i suppose i know what you mean, but if I was 21 I wouldn't give s shoite what I did if I got there, but I'm 31, and would like to get something related to what I'm doing now. I don't know if you can get one on the WHV, maybe I'd be lucky, but I see a lot of 'em advertised constantly in Perth. Is it a case that if they can't fill them, surely as long as I had some kind of a working visa, it would be happy days from their point of view....:confused:

    Well put it this way its a pain to hire someone. we have rejected several candidates for a job[here in the Uk] as they are on 2 year visa's.

    So you would still be showing them a visa that said you only had the right to work for them for 6 months. Now on the latter side you could go Via a temping agency find somewhere and have them sponsor you. But you can see how your dominos are stacking up and it only takes one event not to happen and the trick fails.

    However you could be having a great time trying it...


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    BarryCreed
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    Zambia232 wrote: »
    Well put it this way its a pain to hire someone. we have rejected several candidates for a job[here in the Uk] as they are on 2 year visa's.

    So you would still be showing them a visa that said you only had the right to work for them for 6 months. Now on the latter side you could go Via a temping agency find somewhere and have them sponsor you. But you can see how your dominos are stacking up and it only takes one event not to happen and the trick fails.

    However you could be having a great time trying it...

    hmmm, i dunno, after the year i had, id be pure serious going over to oz...would totally be out for getting a "real job"...


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    pucan
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    hertz wrote: »
    I have heard from a recruitment agent here in Melbourne that the Australian Government in the last year have tightened up their laws and procedures on companies sponsoring foriegn nationals. The agent mentioned this is a factor as to why some travellers on WHV may not be getting 6 month jobs etc even though they are skilled in a certain area.

    As anyone else heard anything on this?

    They tightened up conditions for the 457 sponsorship visa last year. Basically, there were labour agencies who would sponsor you and than hire you out to other companies. A lot of the big banks and IT companies would outscource their sponsorships to these agencies.
    The new restrictions, such as having to committ x% of your total payroll cost to training aussie nationals, being responsible for flights for any sponsored employees etc. have meant that these labour agencies are no longer able to sponsor new 457s.
    However over the last 3-6 months some of these agencies have been negotiating relaxed conditions with the government as there is a shortage of IT & Finance professionals. Currently the situation is pretty much up in the air.
    They only impact that this would have on the WHV's is if the company were considering sponsoring you after your 6 months.

    Barry, it depends completely on the company you are applying to for a job. As i said some companies do not sponsor anyone directly, others do.


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    brendansmith
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    hertz wrote: »
    I have heard from a recruitment agent here in Melbourne that the Australian Government in the last year have tightened up their laws and procedures on companies sponsoring foriegn nationals. The agent mentioned this is a factor as to why some travellers on WHV may not be getting 6 month jobs etc even though they are skilled in a certain area.

    As anyone else heard anything on this?


    I myself would not believe a single word that a recruitment agent tells me ever. These people lie and scaremonger in order to get a large cut of your salary for doing absolutly f**k all!

    Most companies will be pi$$ed off at you for going through these thieves to get to their doorstep. Thjere is plenty of work in oz and its just pure laziness that keeps these recruitment agencies in business.

    In ireland recruitment agencies are more or less how jobs are got however over here just email or phone the empoyers directly and cut out the middleman.

    I initially went to a recruitment agency and they sat there and told me a pack of lies and had i not told them to fu(k off i would be earning $25000 less per annum. Thjey were selling me short and obviously didnt know what my job entailed or how much the going rate was.

    Sorry bout the rant but they absolutly disgust me.


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    pucan
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    brendansmith wrote: »
    I myself would not believe a single word that a recruitment agent tells me ever. These people lie and scaremonger in order to get a large cut of your salary for doing absolutly f**k all!

    Most companies will be pi$$ed off at you for going through these thieves to get to their doorstep. Thjere is plenty of work in oz and its just pure laziness that keeps these recruitment agencies in business.

    In ireland recruitment agencies are more or less how jobs are got however over here just email or phone the empoyers directly and cut out the middleman.

    I initially went to a recruitment agency and they sat there and told me a pack of lies and had i not told them to fu(k off i would be earning $25000 less per annum. Thjey were selling me short and obviously didnt know what my job entailed or how much the going rate was.

    Sorry bout the rant but they absolutly disgust me.

    Wow, maybe you should rant about that specific recruitment agent rather than generalising about all of them. I'm not a huge fan of HR types myself but the guy you were dealing with was obviously incompetent and you get those in every area.

    There are plenty of good agencies out there who have preferred supplier arrangements with companies and can get you in the door of somewhere you wouldn't otherwise get a sniff


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    brendansmith
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    pucan wrote: »
    the guy you were dealing with was obviously incompetent and you get those in every area.

    Not just one guy man there were 3 of them outta the one company, and these guys specialised in recruitment for my area of work!

    Granted "There are plenty of good agencies out there who have preferred supplier arrangements with companies and can get you in the door of somewhere you wouldn't otherwise get a sniff" however in my experience, they should be used as a last resort and not as a first port of call which is what most people (myself included) do.

    PS can we name and shame here?
    "maybe you should rant about that specific recruitment agent" i would be quite happy to do this should i get the go ahead


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    One Cold Hand
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    pucan wrote: »
    They only impact that this would have on the WHV's is if the company were considering sponsoring you after your 6 months.

    Pucan, just wondering if you could explain a bit more what you mean by this? This is the exact situation I'm in. I'm coming to the end of the first 6 months of my WHV, and my company have offered to sponsor me for a 457 visa. They will be applying directly themselves. Will this be a straightforward enough process do you think? Any idea how long it will take to process the visa? Sorry for all the questions!


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    Traq
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    Hey OneColdHand. I wouldn't worry about it at all, I went through the exact same process about two months ago. I finished up my six months on my WHV with my current company here in Melbourne and they offered to sponsor me on a 457. My company used an immigration agency to handle the whole process and from start to finish, once my application was submitted, I think it took less than two weeks! I submitted my application on a Monday morning and the visa was granted within about eight working days.
    If you've any questions at all about it, just give me a shout as I've been through it all recently.


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    brendansmith
    Registered Users Posts: 4,526 ✭✭✭brendansmith


    One Cold Hand wrote: »
    Pucan, just wondering if you could explain a bit more what you mean by this? This is the exact situation I'm in. I'm coming to the end of the first 6 months of my WHV, and my company have offered to sponsor me for a 457 visa. They will be applying directly themselves. Will this be a straightforward enough process do you think? Any idea how long it will take to process the visa? Sorry for all the questions!

    Dont worry about it, once youve applied you immediately get a bridging visa and the sponsership comes through real quick, quicker if you sent them an email saying that you want it processed quicker.

    Straightforward process? Yikes, dont use the online method anyway, pen and application forms and bang it in.


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    Traumadoc
    Registered Users Posts: 2,523 ✭✭✭Traumadoc


    Perhaps people are abusing the system.

    http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=77&ContentID=97465


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    pucan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 319 ✭✭pucan


    One Cold Hand wrote: »
    Pucan, just wondering if you could explain a bit more what you mean by this? This is the exact situation I'm in. I'm coming to the end of the first 6 months of my WHV, and my company have offered to sponsor me for a 457 visa. They will be applying directly themselves. Will this be a straightforward enough process do you think? Any idea how long it will take to process the visa? Sorry for all the questions!

    I just mean that if a company is ineligible, under the new rules, to sponsor somebody, they may not hire people on WHVs as they will not will be to retain them for more than 6 months.
    If your company has offered to sponsor you, I'm sure they are aware of the current regulations. I wouldn't worry.
    I was offshore when my visa was processed and it took nearly 2 months, however it seems if you are in country, as the guys above have stated, its much quicker.


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    hussey
    Registered Users Posts: 6,240 ✭✭✭hussey


    Yes if you are in the country you are granted a bridging visa, then have to do a number of tests, like read a piece of paper, urine sample, chest x-ray etc,
    mine came through in 2 weeks, and others around the same time too.

    as pucan mentioned the laws mainly affected recruitment companies rather than full time employers


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    Zambia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭Zambia


    Traumadoc wrote: »
    Perhaps people are abusing the system.

    http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=77&ContentID=97465


    Oh you are joking me these &(*&(*&)(*& are in Perth , %*&%^* amphibous caravans !!!!:mad:


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