chop in stars 10 million game lol

nicnicnic · 23-09-2008 1:42am #1

so they run the numbers with 5 left and shortstack says he needs 80k more, chip leader immeaditly says he will give up $300,000 other guy comes in saying he wants 95 extra (has -45% roi) 3rd guy says he needs 20k to bring him up to 800k so 200k remaining to play for gives him shot a million. short stack says grand so thats only 195k CL has to give up, shortstack then looks for another 30k and gets it. So guy was giving 300k and they take 225k of it and give him back the odd 75k:)

a-k-47 · 23-09-2008 1:49am

nicnicnic wrote: »

so they run the numbers with 5 left and shortstack says he needs 80k more, chip leader immeaditly says he will give up $300,000 other guy comes in saying he wants 95 extra (has -45% roi) 3rd guy says he needs 20k to bring him up to 800k so 200k remaining to play for gives him shot a million. short stack says grand so thats only 195k CL has to give up, shortstack then looks for another 30k and gets it. So guy was giving 300k and they take 225k of it and give him back the odd 75k:)

i was :eek::eek::eek: watching that.. some neck on him

... but im 2nd on p5s lol... shoesrdurrty only has a handful of low stake tourn to his name!. wp shorty

Flushdraw · 23-09-2008 1:51am

For nicnicnic ;-)

a-k-47 wrote: »

AJKhoosier pulled off a great deal shortstacked...wow

Yeah he done ok out of it...You gotta to love the line he used though lol

AJKHoosier1: mark wants 90
Markush13: shoes 800k
AJKHoosier1: then go 20k to cking and 10k to shoes
AJKHoosier1: or wait
AJKHoosier1: my math is way off
AJKHoosier1: lol
ShoesRDurrty: lol
ckingusc: lol
AJKHoosier1: nvm all of that
ShoesRDurrty: he wont have to give up 300 i dont think
ShoesRDurrty: itll be a bit less
AJKHoosier1: all i know is i need 80K+ my chop
AJKHoosier1: and i will accept
AJKHoosier1: anything less and i wont
AJKHoosier1: u guys can work out the rest
ShoesRDurrty: mark needs 95
ShoesRDurrty: to get to 960
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ShoesRDurrty: i need 20
ShoesRDurrty: to get to 800
ShoesRDurrty: so thats 20+80+95
ShoesRDurrty: is what he needs to give up
ShoesRDurrty: 195
liberace: done
ShoesRDurrty: host, can you type up the new terms?
Markush13: ye
StaffBryanS [Host]: Certainly. One moment.
AJKHoosier1: hold on guys
AJKHoosier1: need to discuss w/ backers
AJKHoosier1: acutally go ahead
AJKHoosier1: lets see what htis comes out to
Markush13: gogo
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StaffBryanS [Host]: ..
StaffBryanS [Host]: Alright, here we go.
StaffBryanS [Host]: Again, please... wait until the numbers are all out before typing anything.
StaffBryanS [Host]: ckingusc: $1,065,432
StaffBryanS [Host]: liberace: $1,405,249
StaffBryanS [Host]: AJKHoosier1: $752,542
StaffBryanS [Host]: ShoesRDurrty: $801,153
StaffBryanS [Host]: Markush13: $961,718
StaffBryanS [Host]: $200,000 and the bracelet to the winner.
AJKHoosier1: not to sound like a total dbag but im #1 in cardplayer opoy and #2 on pocketfives tournament rankings i think that should count for something
Markush13: ok
AJKHoosier1: and now i sound like a total dbag
StaffBryanS [Host]: If you agree to the above numbers, please type 'I accept this deal.'
ShoesRDurrty: u did get 75k more
AJKHoosier1: but oh well
ShoesRDurrty: ill agree to those numbers
AJKHoosier1: 1.4
AJKHoosier1: still seems egregious
liberace: i accept deal
Markush13: I accept this deal
ckingusc: i accept
AJKHoosier1: lib im being told flat out i need a little more
AJKHoosier1: not completely my call
Markush13: dude...
Markush13: a very good deal for you
ckingusc: but ajk u know imgonna suck out on u
ckingusc: u didnt calc that
Markush13: only 524k for 5th
AJKHoosier1: ive played this stack and these kind of situations more than just about anyone im not trying to be an ahole
AJKHoosier1: im not planning on getting 5th mark = (
AJKHoosier1: 30k more from lib
AJKHoosier1: and im good
Markush13: i am sure...
liberace: i would give it up but is it fair to othyers?
ShoesRDurrty: thats fine i guess
ckingusc: as long as mine stays, i dont care
ckingusc: its up to u lib
AJKHoosier1: ok then 30 more from liberace to me
Markush13: as u wish.. i agree
AJKHoosier1: write up the numbers
liberace: ok
StaffBryanS [Host]: One more time with the numbers... standby, please.
StaffBryanS [Host]: ckingusc: $1,065,432
StaffBryanS [Host]: liberace: $1,375,249
StaffBryanS [Host]: AJKHoosier1: $782,542
StaffBryanS [Host]: ShoesRDurrty: $801,153
StaffBryanS [Host]: Markush13: $961,718
AJKHoosier1: ok fine agree
liberace: i agree
StaffBryanS [Host]: In the middle: the bracelet and $200,000
ShoesRDurrty: agree
ckingusc: i agree
Markush13: i agree
StaffBryanS [Host]: We have a deal.
StaffBryanS [Host]: Congratulations to each of you!
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AJKHoosier1: gla
AJKHoosier1: gg congrats etc
Markush13: gg
StaffBryanS [Host]: We'll re-start the tournament now... best of luck to each of you.
liberace: gg
ShoesRDurrty: gg guys, lol nice deal ajk
StaffBryanS [Host]: Dealer! Cards, please.

Flushdraw · 23-09-2008 1:53am

AJKHoosier1

nicnicnic · 23-09-2008 1:55am

but think about the guy was giving up 300k hoosier is doing all the biz so realises he is just giving the guy back 105k and decides he wants 30 extra from the 105 and gives back 75k, other guy is saying nothing he has given it up and they give him 75k back

whats that all about

Flushdraw · 23-09-2008 1:56am

nicnicnic wrote: »

but think about the guy was giving up 300k hoosier is doing all the biz so realises he is just giving the guy back 105k and decides he wants 30 extra from the 105 and gives back 75k, other guy is saying nothing he has given it up and they give him 75k back whats that all about

They all suck at maths! (Or math before i get corrected

)

yeah-buddy · 23-09-2008 1:56am

hes a right gimp

Hectorjelly · 23-09-2008 1:57am

Talking to your backers is a good line, ill use that if im ever in a similar situation. It would be funny to get out a mobile at a live event and play the good cop bad cop routine!

nicnicnic · 23-09-2008 2:01am

Hectorjelly wrote: »

Talking to your backers is a good line, ill use that if im ever in a similar situation. It would be funny to get out a mobile at a live event and play the good cop bad cop routine!

I've had numerous people ring me while chops were being negotiated for advice

LuckyLloyd · 23-09-2008 2:08am

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a-k-47 · 23-09-2008 2:08am

omg that hand was ridiculous

eagle eye · 23-09-2008 2:09am

Yeah it would be funny live. Keep eyeballing them for fear and then when you see you've reached the limit, just tell the guy on the phone to stuff it, and agree to the deal. :pac:

nicnicnic · 23-09-2008 2:35am

just thinking this way of chopping on chips is definitely flawed and way skewed in favour of the big stack, when the numbers were run if they all accepted it the big stack was guaranteed 1.61 million and a shot at another 200k which is more then the original first prize of 1.775 million.

tm2204 · 23-09-2008 8:01am

ElkY 21st? Different Elky?

smurph · 23-09-2008 8:19am

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

I negotiated a chop when one of the parties had to walk off to his backer every couple of seconds.

Yeah Lloyd but his backer probably had loads of experience in doing deals etc., etc., in big games.

Mellor · 23-09-2008 8:29am

nicnicnic wrote: »

just thinking this way of chopping on chips is definitely flawed and way skewed in favour of the big stack, when the numbers were run if they all accepted it the big stack was guaranteed 1.61 million and a shot at another 200k which is more then the original first prize of 1.775 million.

You're right its hugely flawed.
Mostly because it only considers the last paid place and the total prizepool. The actualy prizes for each place make a hge difference. I think the best way for doing these deals is just banging it into an ICM calculator.

mickc · 23-09-2008 8:34am

from 2+2

ShoesRDurrty cashed for $801,153 in this. got in via a reload freeroll. he tried to unreg and couldnt.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/61/mtt-community/ft-sweat-wcoop-main-event-satty-271715/

1gotth3nuts wrote: »

This is some freeroll for ppl who reloaded during July for the 2x bonus.

Coming in 3/9, top 5 get seats to wcoop ME.

no obs/or player chat allowed but wish me luck!!

sn = ShoesRDurrty

1gotth3nuts wrote: »

thanks guys. prolly just gonna unreg and play the $215 6max, $530 and $1050 holdem events.

1gotth3nuts wrote: »

hmmm looks like i wont be able to unreg....

Heisenberg. · 23-09-2008 9:18am

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NuckChorris1 · 23-09-2008 10:37am

Some story the freeroll guy - and he's not even going out to celebrate because he's 'got a mid-term in the morning'!!!!!! :eek:

Think 800k would see me mentally unable to do any exam for at least a year!

YULETIRED · 23-09-2008 10:47am

I can't believe the maount of money these guys discard, they should have accountants by thier sides when playing these FT.

800k is a legenary spin up but didn't moneymaker qualify online when he won the worlds series, that was the ultimate

Mellor · 23-09-2008 10:59am

YULETIRED wrote: »

I can't believe the maount of money these guys discard, they should have accountants by thier sides when playing these FT.

800k is a legenary spin up but didn't moneymaker qualify online when he won the worlds series, that was the ultimate

And raymer,
prob Hachem and Gold too

Taxipete29 · 23-09-2008 11:05am

Mellor wrote: »

And raymer,
prob Hachem and Gold too

Hachem paid in himself,

Ste05 · 23-09-2008 11:33am

Does anyone have the ICM calcs of this??

I hear they're done in MTTc somewhere but I couldn't find them and can't be bothered to do it myself, anyone done it?? I'd like to see what the numbers were, pretty nice negotiations by AJK IMO.

Flushdraw · 23-09-2008 11:37am

Taxipete29 wrote: »

Hachem paid in himself,

Yeah, he's not good enough to qualify online

bottom feeder · 23-09-2008 11:49am

Flushdraw wrote: »

Yeah, he's not good enough to qualify online

Heisenberg. · 23-09-2008 11:50am

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Tight Ted · 23-09-2008 1:18pm

The Scientist wrote: »

If it was me he was trying to get more off i would have typed 'Nah, deal off. LETS GAMBOLLLLLLLL!"

CORRECT!!!

DeVore · 23-09-2008 1:29pm

too right! What a douchebag hahaha, "I'm second on pocketfives... etc etc". Wow, great for you, I've a foot long Johnson, I want 45k more! I was once on the Cosby show I want an extra 100k!

I know what my answer to him would have been.

DeV.

Flushdraw · 23-09-2008 1:41pm

DeVore wrote: »

too right! What a douchebag hahaha, "I'm second on pocketfives... etc etc". Wow, great for you, I've a foot long Johnson, I want 45k more! I was once on the Cosby show I want an extra 100k!

I know what my answer to him would have been.

DeV.

Whatcha talking about Willis?

DeVore · 23-09-2008 2:30pm

"AJKHoosier1: not to sound like a total dbag but im #1 in cardplayer opoy and #2 on pocketfives tournament rankings i think that should count for something"

Yeah, that and a dollar will get you a Coke.

DeV.

Drakar · 23-09-2008 2:56pm

Can't find the chipcounts at the time, but on 2+2 someone posted an ICM calc during the deal:

linky

icm is 1350/1105/950/860/720

Mellor · 23-09-2008 6:38pm

Couldn't post ICM earlier for some reason.
The one above is a bit different because it has the 200k out, depending where you take it from changes the ICM

considering the original offer was

StaffBryanS [Host]: liberace: $1,600,249
StaffBryanS [Host]: ckingusc: $1,065,432
StaffBryanS [Host]: Markush13: $866,718
StaffBryanS [Host]: ShoesRDurrty: $781,153
StaffBryanS [Host]: AJKHoosier1: $672,542

With 200k + bracelet to play for

Its safe to say that Host Brian messed up

Ste05 · 23-09-2008 6:41pm

Stars don't base their chops on ICM, they do it in a straight chip chop AFAIK

ozpoker · 23-09-2008 6:42pm

Ste05 wrote: »

Does anyone have the ICM calcs of this??

I hear they're done in MTTc somewhere but I couldn't find them and can't be bothered to do it myself, anyone done it?? I'd like to see what the numbers were, pretty nice negotiations by AJK IMO.

Player        Stack   Percent   ICM      Deal    Share  Total Deal  Diff
Markush13     7077641   13.0&#37;   951371   961718  26066    987784    36413
ShoesRDurrty  5272571    9.7%   861514   801153  19418    820571   -40943
AJKHoosier1   4174833    7.7%   799466   782542  15376    797918    -1548
liberace     24570827   45.2%  1401995  1375249  90492   1465741    63746
ckingusc     13209128   24.3%  1171750  1065432  48648   1114080   -57670

Markush13 and liberace were the true winners from this deal. AJKHoosier's negotiations just brought his share almost up to par.

ozpoker · 23-09-2008 6:47pm

Ste05 wrote: »

Stars don't base their chops on ICM, they do it in a straight chip chop AFAIK

Yeah, this is the case. Straight chops overvalue the big stacks. Something to remember when you do your own deals.

Mellor · 23-09-2008 6:58pm

Ste05 wrote: »

Stars don't base their chops on ICM, they do it in a straight chip chop AFAIK

Which is stupid, because a chip chop can give the big stacks more than first place. Esp 5 handed.

ozpoker wrote: »

Player        Stack   Percent   ICM      Deal    Share  Total Deal  Diff
Markush13     7077641   13.0&#37;   951371   961718  26066    987784   -36413
ShoesRDurrty  5272571    9.7%   861514   801153  19418    820571    40943
AJKHoosier1   4174833    7.7%   799466   782542  15376    797918     1548
liberace     24570827   45.2%  1401995  1375249  90492   1465741   -63746
ckingusc     13209128   24.3%  1171750  1065432  48648   1114080    57670

ckingusc and ShoesRDurrty were the true winners from this deal. AJKHoosier's negotiations just brought his share up to par.

Oz, What do the last four columns mean?
If I understand them correct, then ShoesRDurty and cking did worse.

I would of said liberace did the best. He lost 25k from his ICM, to play on for 200k, he should of had the biggest drop, cking lost more than this

ozpoker · 23-09-2008 7:21pm

Mellor wrote: »

Which is stupid, because a chip chop can give the big stacks more than first place. Esp 5 handed.

Oz, What do the last four columns mean?
If I understand them correct, then ShoesRDurty and cking did worse.

I would of said liberace did the best. He lost 25k from his ICM, to play on for 200k, he should of had the biggest drop, cking lost more than this

Oops. Right. liberace and Markush did the best at the expense of the other 3. I subtracted the wrong way. I'll edit the post above.

zuroph · 23-09-2008 10:14pm

excuse my ignorance, whats ICM stand for?

ArmaniJeanss · 23-09-2008 10:37pm

zuroph wrote: »

excuse my ignorance, whats ICM stand for?

Independent Chip Modelling.
Given you have X chips, other people have ABYZ chips and the payout is $a, $b, $c, how much are your chips worth?
Best understood by messing about with an ICM calculator like the following.

http://www.reviewpokerrooms.com/poker-games/general/tournament-equity.html

Edit : Google will get you better ICM calculators than the linked one, with more placings etc.

Flushdraw · 24-09-2008 12:19pm

Oz/Mellor

I think the screenshot i took above was a couple of hands after the deal was struck (original one i had was too small). There was no major action other than blind stealing so some players may be +/- 300k or so chips from when deal was struck. Will affect the actual ICM calculations a bit

ozpoker · 24-09-2008 12:36pm

Flushdraw wrote: »

Oz/Mellor

I think the screenshot i took above was a couple of hands after the deal was struck (original one i had was too small). There was no major action other than blind stealing so some players may be +/- 300k or so chips from when deal was struck. Will affect the actual ICM calculations a bit

Do you have the actual chip counts at deal time? If so, I can update the table to see how they all did.

Flushdraw · 24-09-2008 1:07pm

ozpoker wrote: »

Do you have the actual chip counts at deal time? If so, I can update the table to see how they all did.

Not sure Oz. In work now and i might have deleted it (it took a screenshot of my 2 monitors and i couldnt make it out) I'll take a look when i get home

chop in stars 10 million game lol

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