New Darkbox 9000

decdev

coming out in time for christmas hd and linux:cool:

TCP/IP

Buy a dreambox instead much more dev work and support for it. I have a DM800 and its the business

Eurorunner

TCP/IP wrote: »

Buy a dreambox instead much more dev work and support for it. I have a DM800 and its the business

Still quite expensive no? Is all software running as good as it does on its predecessors or are there bugs?
How much is the Darkbox 9000 going to sell for?

TCP/IP

Few small bugs but generally working a treat. Just use a good image and CCCcam

Fat_Fingers

oh man, there was a major backlash on a few forums over this one. Lots of people got banned and lots of upset people run a good old flame wars. Anyhow, bottom line is check for yourself other forums and see what support or rather a lack of it is there for Darkbox HD. So now they come with this one and all sorts of claims of what will it be able to do.

All i can say to you is make sure you check and check again that features you are looking for are there at the time of your purchase. DO NOT trust any bull**t rumors and promises coming from vested interests.

byte

I'd say wait a long while after the Darkbox 9000 Super Linux Extra Massive Max IPTV is released a while before purchasing.

I've read that some believe it won't be able to support Enigma, though the "developer" says it'll support some sort of variation.

If the box does turn out to be as good as it supposedly will be..., it'd be a good box, considering it's apparently twin tuner.


NB:
Of course, no discussion about anything illegal

Ronan|Raven

AND COMPLIMINT TI WETH MOTOER METAL GEARS.

TCP/IP

Fat_Fingers wrote: »

oh man, there was a major backlash on a few forums over this one. Lots of people got banned and lots of upset people run a good old flame wars. Anyhow, bottom line is check for yourself other forums and see what support or rather a lack of it is there for Darkbox HD. So now they come with this one and all sorts of claims of what will it be able to do.

All i can say to you is make sure you check and check again that features you are looking for are there at the time of your purchase. DO NOT trust any bull**t rumors and promises coming from vested interests.

Never a better word said, certain sites that have an interest in this box will push this box much more. For a truely open source box get the DM800 or the DM8000 whenever that is released

byte

At well over a grand, I can't see the DM8000 being a big seller!

decdev

byte wrote: »

At well over a grand, I can't see the DM8000 being a big seller!

No me either

TCP/IP

decdev wrote: »

No me either

Agreed it will be expensive but count me in for one

Compton

it's gonna be great, can't wait for the 8000.

it's not gonna be well over a grand, it's not even gonna be 1 grand, more like 800 max.

kaisersose77

a boards member posting recently saying he was offered it a discount price of 800euros after beta testing!

The ipbox sorry darkbox sorry ipbox is just a rebranded ipbox 9000 but jesus those alsat members are funny. They think its going to be the best thing since slice pan and if Darkman says its going to support CCcam then its going to support cccam. While darkman justs spouts albanian-english thats hard to understand.

It'll support enigma once another team/ipbox port it over and then alsat edit the image.


The dm800 is out of stock on nearly every german site for some reason. Looking to get one now myself but looks for the cheapest way to get one and with a 320gb hd seperately.

Ronan|Raven

Or get a clone...

kaisersose77

have they cloned the 800 yet?

They have the 600 cloned anyways and the 800 wouldnt be much different apart from the dvb-s2 tuner

Ronan|Raven

Aye they have but I fear anymore talk will get this closed !

Fat_Fingers

Nothing will get closed, unless you start talking about prohibited topics.
Mods here are very reasonable and to be honest the best mods i have come across. I have accounts on lots of forums and on some i have been banned without warning just for making a mistake and posting in wrong section. You will find mods here to be very reasonable and very helpful.

Ronan|Raven

Except for that Byte fella.

MisterAnarchy

I wouldnt touch anything that the chancer 'Darkman' has a paw on.
All of his receivers are just clones or rebadged OEM products.

kaisersose77

well all he needs is those low IQ alsat members to buy it and he's laughing

His latest post

"1. YCbCr : 4:4:2 is supported.
2. Blindscan is supported. But you have to buy another Tuner.
- we are using now Samsung Tuner that do not support Blindscan.
- Sharp Tuner can support Blindscan. So we are developing now with Sharp tuner.
Tuners we will sell separatly like S-T_C and thouse will be Plug and play.Enybady like change or add new tuner is welcome.
- Later if you change just the Tuner, it is going well.
3. Mpeg4 DVB-T is supported."


and the usual follow ups

"The news just gets better and better!! Great stuff Darkman!! "

"Got to say im drooling from the mouth

Spec is so good i dont see anything missing from it "


It wont support cc*am out of the box
It wont play divx/xvid out of the box
It wont be able to handle 4.2.2 feeds


But hey the darkbox 9000 2009 rev13 will

Fat_Fingers

LOL @ kaisersose77.

byte

Ronan|Raven wrote: »

Except for that Byte fella.

Ronan|Raven banned!

byte

Would be inclined to agree with kaisersoze.

In fact, to the best of my knowledge, the Darkbox HD series still has not got the promised PVR functionality, along with other issues.

If the aforementioned features would be available in a month or so after launch, then why not straight away? Maybe coz it won't be possible?

And is it really a Linux box? I'm sceptical due to it having HDMI port (from what I understand, because Dreambox is full-on Linux, they couldn't get a licence to use HDMI ports, so made do with DVI).

Regarding this topic: I'll let it run for now, as long as discussion is kept within the realms of being legal. I'd be wary of discussion regarding the soft-cam mentioned above. Also, I'd prefer if no single person's were singled out, even if it is just an online nick.

cpslane

Can anyone tell me what kind of money would a DM800hd PVR set me back.
i have tried looking but not found a price for this model online.
And if anyone has one is it worth the call it my XMas present excuse with the wife?

Compton

it's 5-550 in satworld.

Robxxx7

don't get me started on that XX fella ... kaisersose77 has pretty much summed up my feelings ....

As regards to fully blown linux ??? not sure here, we have currently IpBox 9000 with HDMI and Kathrein UFS910 with HDMI ... but they are not fully opened Linux (as far as drivers are concerned its pretty much a closed shop)

The darkbox will be , i suspect, a rebadged clone of the Ab IPbox 9000, i know a team that develops images for the 9000 and things are not as easy as it may seem ... so i would assume that all the promises from the darkbox will be just that ..promises, past history with these darlboxes should teach us that all that glistens isn't gold ...

Also, if as we suspect it maybe a IPbox9000 clone, then it will not support X. X has not been developed for SH4 processors and does not appear to be likely... Also Enigma2 works on Kathrein UFS910 (SH4 processor) albeit in a very beta state ... it works but is not overly stable and X does not work on a ported Enigma 2 ...

I for one will pass on this

Fat_Fingers

The only advice i can give is to wait and if price is right then make double sure that features you are looking for are there and working at the time of YOUR purchase. Call shop and ask if feature is there and working. Check with shop that if you get the receiver and feature is not there that you can get a full refund, not a credit note but a full refund. If you can get this in writing even better.

Do not fall for "in next update" or "next month" . If its in "next update" then hold your purchase until then.

I'm only giving this advise due to my experience with Darkbox HD. I can see that lots of us have purchased Darkbox HD and advertised feature are not working. If you look at October 2008 issue of What Sat magazine Darkbox HD is advertised as eSata PVR, it even has a picture of external HDD. PVR DOES NOT WORK. Manufacture has problems writing drivers for the sata drives and PVR has been promised in May this year but nothing so far and i'm skeptical that after 6 months of development they still can not write a drivers..

All i'm saying that distributor in the past hasn't been fully honest about its product so it would make sense to be careful when making your purchase, do your homework and everything will be fine.

This board is excellent source of independent opinions and advices. Mods have "soft touch" and allow healthy discussion to develop as long as it doesn't get too personal. Other forums have been hijacked by vested interest groups in very coordinated manners as soon as someone said something critical of this product range. We have to thank our mods for good work here. Byte , you are doing great job here, never mind what Raven said about you. (joking)

decdev

Great debate fellas good info all round;)

kaisersose77

cpslane wrote: »

Can anyone tell me what kind of money would a DM800hd PVR set me back.
i have tried looking but not found a price for this model online.
And if anyone has one is it worth the call it my XMas present excuse with the wife?

out of stock on most german sites (cheapest place to get them), but just ordered one a few days ago from a german power seller on ebay for about 450 delivered.

search dm800 on ebay.de


The dm8000hd is going to be extorniate and even if the 800hd goes down it price, it still wont going down an awful lot as they know they can sell them at any price they want.

kaisersose77

i just have a look at that alsat forum to have a laugh, alsat can do no wrong with these sort of people below





Quote:
Originally Posted by taktas
is this re-branded ab ip box 9000hd?


Why is this so important?
Quite a few receivers are re-branded X,Y or Z. When Darkman and the Alsat/Eagle teams get their hands on them, they enter a whole new league


Iredon"

Robxxx7

They are a funny bunch ....

But i'll answer the question truthfully,

Yes, its a rebadged DG Station Cuberevo also know as an AB Ipbox 9000 also known as a darkbox9000.

CVS is still owned and updated in Korea by the DG team ... so any updates to the CVS will be good to the cuberevo and IpBox... if you want damn good support on the IPBox 9000 try satkings (put them in google) they offer support on this box and also itgate boxes. They develop images for these aswell ... they know whats going on and will not feed you crap just to buy the box ...

I have no affinity to them apart from being an itgate owner .. and they know what they are doing ...

So if you want one of these boxes now, then you know where to go

byte

It's now a common trait for STB's to be released as a "work in progress" with some specs based on what hopefully may materialise.

The Octagon SF918HD was no exception, and there are many reports of the specs being somewhat optomistic to the extreme, with only the PVR functionality becoming possible in recent weeks by way of "beta" software releases.

I did get rid of my SF918 though, in favour of the TM6900Super, and so far, I'm very glad to be back to using Technomate. Always liked the menu's and simple UI.

NOTICE (again)

Don't mention any other forum users (I think we know of whom I speak)
Don't discuss anything about soft-cams.
I believe Enigma isn't illegal in itself, so I guess it can be mentioned.

While I find this thread interesting, I still have to keep things within the bounds of boards.ie rules.

Robxxx7

fully understand ...

I agree also with what you say where alot of boxes seem to be sold on the premise of what i could do in the future... its a very dangerous thing to do and seems to now be common place amongst linux satellite.

I think its safe to say that before you buy a linx satellite box, make sure it does what you want it to do and not what it could do.

watty

I'm releasing the WatBox 2010 just after Christmas. It will require you to solder in your own tuners (DVB-c, DVB-t2, DVB-s2), two slots.

It will use Gentoo Linux so you will have to recompile the x86 tool Chain and OS 1st on a plain vanilla Debian desktop, reinstall to Gentoo, then build the MIPS cpu tool chain for the Gentoo on the setbox on the Gentoo Desktop. (All command line/Console based tools).

The GUI uses a GTK+ layer and MONO ported from a old version of MythTV. The OS is booted from the PVR hard drive using a separate CRAMFS partition into RAM Disk.

The Firewire, HDMI, USB, CI for CAM and ethernet may get supported on version 0.9 of the Firmware. Currently it's at version 0.0.1

You have to add DeCSS your self to the build to enable playback of commercial DVDs on its DVD recorder.

Blind scan will use a freeware x86 windows FFT (spectrum analysis) sw, but it is currently for Windows only, so Wine 1.0 must be also installed. Wine Is Not an Emulator, so an x86 emulator for MIPS is required also. Or when the ethernet is working the Blind Scan could run on the PC using i/o to tuner via the ethernet.

Enigma support depends on getting an early sample box sent to the guy in Poland that ported it to the Reelbox Lite.

Please send contributions to speed up this project to my account via paypal.

Fat_Fingers

Oh Sh*T!!!!!:eek::eek::eek:

The news just gets better and better!! Great stuff watty!!!! Got to say im drooling from the mouth. Spec is so good i dont see anything missing from it!!!
Please put my name down for one of them!!! I can't wait!! :D:D

DrivingMad

sounds great ... i think i'll be second in the queue for this one .. sounds like its hugely plug and play and right up my street

joe25

DrivingMad wrote: »

sounds great ... i think i'll be second in the queue for this one .. sounds like its hugely plug and play and right up my street

The Two of ye will have to push me out of the way first.
Me first.Watty you are the best.
LOL


No joke I got banned from there forum before for talking about them on another forum.
Hope they don't find this.

Fat_Fingers

LOL, got banned, eh? :D
Yeah, that happens , some of the forums have the same mods so what you say on one gets you kicked on the other one. Sort of "plug and play" feature.

But dont worry, here mods are not affiliated in any way with Darkbox range of products so if usual trolls (as i have seen over and over again on the other forums) do come here they will have to play by the same rules as the rest of us. :cool:

TVDX

So you are all obviously having a pot shot at me for one anyway as I have expressed interest in this box on that forum.
Why?, because it can supposedly do Mpeg 4 DVB-T.
That's the biggest seller for me.
Also, ccam is important for card reading ease of use.
Some of you may consider Alsat forum users as low IQ as stated earlier in the post but with all due respect the box isn't out yet.
It is a re-branded box but as of yet none of you can make the claim that the software the Alsat team will provide will not do what they say it can do.
You can talk about past endeavours all you like but right now the Darkbox9000 has not been proven yet.
I have no intention of buying until the feedback comes in.
Early posts regarding being in a queue were made on my part out of excitement for what the box sellers are claiming it can do.
Let's go and analyse all of your posts and see what we can derive from your posts, i.e. you have a Low IQ etc.

Fat_Fingers

Hi TVDX,

If you think people here and mean you should check usenet! Anyhow, nobody is taking a pot shot at you. Please dont take comments here personally, they are not directed at you.. its only a discussion.

All i'm saying is that past experience with seller hasn't been the best one and sales pitch "does exactly what it says on the tin" hasn't really been true with past product so make sure it does what you want it to do before purchasing. As you said Darkbox9000 has not been proven yet, so makes sense to check first before purchasing. Don't take their word on it and don't fall for "in next upgrade"

Lots for boxes can do Mpeg 4 DVB-T.

Take care.

kaisersose77

.............ok



Looks its a rebranded ipbox 9000, no matter what crap alsat come out with it this isnt going to change. The specs are the 100% the exact same. I called them low IQ as looking at 90% of the posts in the alsat darkbox 9000 thread seem to be from people who have a notion about linux satellite receivers, but because its from alsat its going to be amazing. Seems like 99% of the members are some sort of moderator aswell so they must spend most of the day deleting any negative posts.


If you want a darkbox 9000 then buy an ipbox 9000 from a german site as it'll be cheaper (as uk satellites are a rip off), and if alsat ever do get anything special running on that darkbox 9000 then it'll work on the ipbox aswell.

If you want dvb-t then just a dvb-t tuner for the ipbox 9000, as it isnt something special the darkbox can do.


edit: post meant for tvdx

TVDX

Others can do Mpeg 4 DVB-T but I think it's of interest that this one does too.
Yes it's a re-badge but they will probably sell this box at a lower price than the IP9000.

I think the mention of the tuner needing changing isn't such a strange one either.
If you look at the review of the IP from Dr. Dish on Youtube, they actually have the tuners out in front of the receiver and they speak a bit on this.

kaisersose77

the man himself said its going to be dearer than the dreambox 800 (which judging by rip off uk prices, the dreambox is over 450 euros), which means its more than likely going to be at least 500euro, which is about the price of the ipbox 9000.