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liberation

Does anyone know anything about the courses advertised on this site this has also been advertised on rte?

jaffa20

liberation wrote: »

Does anyone know anything about the courses advertised on this site this has also been advertised on rte?

have you seen the prices They are sky high (excuse the pun). :eek:

chickenhawk

jaffa20 wrote: »

have you seen the prices They are sky high (excuse the pun). :eek:

0-ATPL is only 65,000. With accommodation and food included. What's wrong with that?

Seems ok. But look on internet forums like pprune or do a google search to find others. Every place has it's good and bad points.

Zyox

http://www.flyinginirelandmagazine.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3073

and

http://www.pprune.org/professional-pilot-training-includes-ground-studies/337637-canadian-aviation-academy.html

In short: If you want to train to be a pilot _IN CANADA_ go directly to Algonquin Flight School there.
If you want to train to be an airline pilot in Europe stay far far away.

Cessna_Pilot

chickenhawk wrote: »

0-ATPL is only 65,000. With accommodation and food included. What's wrong with that?

Seems ok. But look on internet forums like pprune or do a google search to find others. Every place has it's good and bad points.

I don't think these guys have any good points. If you want to train in Canada go to the Aloquinn school directly as Zyox says, or go to the Moncton Flight College, although they no longer offer JAA training.

jt123456

Does any companies in Ireland offer the same sort of package, ie. PPL to commercial licence allong with all the other instrument ratings etc... in one complete package?

Cessna_Pilot

Yes they do. All of the big schools do, Atlantic, NFC etc.

twopointfive

Don't know if any of you guys saw the piece in the Sunday World this weekend about these guys. There are a lot of people who are angry with this company..


http://www.flickr.com/photos/55426064@N02/5140831513/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/55426064@N02/5141443602/sizes/l/in/photostream/

That first link should work now

APM

Is the same guy mentioned in the article in any way now connected with NFC? Just curious

Cessna_Pilot

APM wrote: »

Is the same guy mentioned in the article in any way now connected with NFC? Just curious

No different people!

twopointfive

APM wrote: »

Is the same guy mentioned in the article in any way now connected with NFC? Just curious

I believe he is still in Canada. I have fixed the first link so you can see his face.

APM

twopointfive wrote: »

I believe he is still in Canada. I have fixed the first link so you can see his face.

Thanks, it goes to show ya...alot to be said for going with with reputable schools such as FTE Jerez, Oxford, PTC. I heard the guys who did the Jet Pilot Programme through Sigmar Aviation got badly burned too

wittymoniker

APM wrote: »

Thanks, it goes to show ya...alot to be said for going with with reputable schools such as FTE Jerez, Oxford, PTC. I heard the guys who did the Jet Pilot Programme through Sigmar Aviation got badly burned too

PTC doing well, are they?

APM

wittymoniker wrote: »

PTC doing well, are they?

No idea, but haven't heard of anyone losing massive amounts of money yet

Cessna_Pilot

wittymoniker wrote: »

PTC doing well, are they?

I have heard lots of negative stuff about them recently. They already have a bad rep, it seems it's getting worse.

globemaster1986

Cessna_Pilot wrote: »

I have heard lots of negative stuff about them recently. They already have a bad rep, it seems it's getting worse.

Bad like what? If you don't want to say on the forum would you PM me please. I'm giving the place some consideration and want to hear what you have heard? If its about sharp marketing/advertising there's no need, all the FTOs do that!!

donkey balls

Mate of mine 65k for MEIR+27K for FR TR other lad 100k for MEIR plus TR FR 27K which one is the cheaper:p.

xflyer

I would be very wary of handing out money up front to any flight school right now whether they have a good rep or not. Some of them must be struggling right now. You could lose it all. This isn't directed at PTC or any other school in Ireland.

Be careful though. Pay as you go.

globemaster1986

xflyer wrote: »

I would be very wary of handing out money up front to any flight school right now whether they have a good rep or not. Some of them must be struggling right now. You could lose it all. This isn't directed at PTC or any other school in Ireland.

Be careful though. Pay as you go.

Ya i wouldn't pay everything up front. With PTC at least I know you pay then in installments throughout the training.

Donkey balls, re the 65k for MEIR you quote? I'm pretty certain that doesn't include accomodation (and associated bills), travel, exam fees, equipment, study aids, books etc etc! I've looked at many many FTOs and the ones quoting the lower prices always exclude the above (which PTC and others include in their price)! When you actually factor in all those extra costs it leaves little in the difference

donkey balls

globemaster1986 wrote: »

Ya i wouldn't pay everything up front. With PTC at least I know you pay then in installments throughout the training.

Donkey balls, re the 65k for MEIR you quote? I'm pretty certain that doesn't include accomodation (and associated bills), travel, exam fees, equipment, study aids, books etc etc! I've looked at many many FTOs and the ones quoting the lower prices always exclude the above (which PTC and others include in their price)! When you actually factor in all those extra costs it leaves little in the difference

My mate spent 65k including trips to and from the USA&UK accomadation included. that is 35k less than PTC for the same licence.

globemaster1986

donkey balls wrote: »

My mate spent 65k including trips to and from the USA&UK accomadation included. that is 35k less than PTC for the same licence.

I'd love to know where because I crunched the numbers and apart from some FTOs in Florida with unsavoury reputations and aircraft described by former students as "deathtraps" that price is not to be had. At least with PTC they are tied in with FIT in Florida and all aircraft are less than 3 years old there. Also their full time modular is now €89,500 and their new "integrated" course (don't start!) is €79,500. I know its a little more expensive than some but Oxford, FTE and so on are more expensive again!

donkey balls

Listen i trained in the same FTO as my mate did in Florida he now flys for FR and he spent 65k including the MCC, As for so called death traps what a load of b8ll8x if FTO did this they would be closed down by the FAA.
For someone who has worked in the airline biz since 1996 i have flown on acft that was older than me:eek: they are just as safe as new acft once the MX is carried out.

globemaster1986

donkey balls wrote: »

Listen i trained in the same FTO as my mate did in Florida he now flys for FR and he spent 65k including the MCC, As for so called death traps what a load of b8ll8x if FTO did this they would be closed down by the FAA.
For someone who has worked in the airline biz since 1996 i have flown on acft that was older than me:eek: they are just as safe as new acft once the MX is carried out.

Dude relax, don't give yourself a hernia! I'm just asking because I have honestly looked into a lot of FTOs and genuinely could not come up with that price. Re the deathtraps they were comments in relation to two specific FTOs on online forums from others who had been there (one of them is now out of business, and I believed had been investigated by the FAA). The issue is not the age of the aircaft it was the inadequate maintenance of these older aircraft. Personally I've flown in a 152 which was double my age plus change but it was well maintained, I have no problem with age it the acft is well maintained.

donkey balls

Dont worry man i wont get a hernia;) but it can be done for around 65/70k this depends on the person passing all there exams/skill test first time also the price other FTO give would also be on first time passes.

pclancy

donkey balls wrote: »

For someone who has worked in the airline biz since 1996 i have flown on acft that was older than me:eek: they are just as safe as new acft once the MX is carried out.

In my limited PPL career the youngest plane i've flown was from 1982!

Proudly the oldest i've flown is from 1949 I think DH-82 Tiger Moth.

xflyer

Also their full time modular is now €89,500 and their new "integrated" course (don't start!) is €79,500. I know its a little more expensive than some but Oxford, FTE and so on are more expensive again!

That's a lot of money to spend for no job at the end. Same goes for FTE or OAA.

As for aircraft age the oldest aircraft I flew was built in 1960. The youngest 2007. The 1960 model never let me down as for the 2007 model! Soon I'll get my hands on a 09 though.

bombs away

little off topic but I noticed some guys mention what their friends paid for integrated and modular courses and extra loans for type rating's with Ryanair, I've been told that Ryn dont consider applicant's over 30 for their type rating courses. Is this accurate?

Cessna_Pilot

bombs away wrote: »

I've been told that Ryn dont consider applicant's over 30 for their type rating courses. Is this accurate?

No. I know of several guys aged 30 and up who have been hired my Ryanair in the past 12 months.

xflyer

Yes they do hire over thirties. But it is fair to say that the older you are the more experience you better have. I personally know one guy in his forties who got in but he had time on bizjets. It also helps to be Irish or British. But particularly lrish and have a good reference or two from the right people. Effectively be a known quantity.

One problem with older guys is that they are washed out of the course more often than youngsters. We all slow down with age.

Coming out of an FTO aged 35 with 300 hours with fresh licence/ratings, knowing nobody in the business and you will probably not even get a reply. There are exceptions of course.

Stovepipe

Hi there,
Ireland doesn't really have a large enough sub-airline system for recently qualified pilots. There's precious little in the way of third-level operators such as air-taxi operators and such.Most people who qualify as commercial pilots who do not get into an airline will end up getting an instructor's rating and trying to get into a school or trying to get into parachute dropping or glider towing. At least, instructing is often a slow gateway to better things, such as corporate flying. Also, quite often, if a fella doesn't get into the airlines early on, he/she will let the ratings lapse and it's very expensive to renew them. Far better to also budget for an FI rating and at least get your annual 12 hrs paid for by someone else.
regards
Stovepipe