Post your apologies to Faldo here

Sandwich

As per title.

Faldo's two picks earn 4 wins, 2 halves, and two losses. More than a satisfactory return to win the cup had the auto-qualifiers (especially Harrington, Garcia) held up their end rather than flop and lose the cup.

So say sorry to Nick. You know who you are.

Trampas

Poulter has done very well.

I was one who didn't think he should have been picked.

Casey has been poor.

So everything is ok cause of Poulter's score?

What about his selections on the days, they have been perfect?

Inquitus

Aye but we lost and he's acted like a muppet from start to finish, so good riddance to Captain Useless, his picks aside.

efb

Thanks for completely demoralising a super European side:rolleyes:

flanzer

Maybe if Clarke was there instead of Poulter, Harrington, Garcia and the whole team would have been more relaxed and confident. Not taking away anything Poulter has done, he was probably Europes best performer. But he had to perform after being picked. He was obviously the only player in the team Faldo could get going,but you got to think of the team. No apologies from me. Faldo still fcuked up.

mccutchie

Poulter has been superb no doubt about that and hats off to the guy

As for faldo, its just been a series of errors ever since he took over. And his selections today when 2 points down to start with was questionable

Europe needed to get off to a flier, so having the form players, poulter & gmac down the pecking order does not make sense

I know hindsight is a wonderful thing, but faldo has been one of europes weekest captains

Well done team USA for a fantastic performance

Trampas wrote: »

Poulter has done very well.

I was one who didn't think he should have been picked.

Casey has been poor.

So everything is ok cause of Poulter's score?

What about his selections on the days?

They have been perfect?

Scottie99

An inspirational captain:p

Sandwich

Trampas wrote: »

Poulter has done very well.

I was one who didn't think he should have been picked.

Casey has been poor.

So everything is ok cause of Poulter's score?

What about his selections on the days, they have been perfect?

No. Its not just Poulter.
If all had achieved Casey's return, the cup would have been retained 14-14. His performance still beats most of his team mates.

ziggy

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copacetic

imo the picks aren't the only thing for the captain. He got the pairings badly
wrong throughout the two days and he got the line up for the singles
incredibly wrong, he was a terrible captain.

The USA deserved their win against the team we put out. Hopefully we
can do much better next time,

flanzer

Just had an after thought there, not only am I gonna blame Dick Faldo for the European loss, I blame Tiger Woods. I'm sure the American nerves would have been in tatters if he was around :P

As Tony Jacklin just said, 'You can't win'em all'

staker

Sorry for making you captain.:rolleyes:

abouttobebanned

Faldo was a muppet of a captain.

stockdam

copacetic wrote: »

imo the picks aren't the only thing for the captain. He got the pairings badly
wrong throughout the two days and he got the line up for the singles
incredibly wrong, he was a terrible captain.

The USA deserved their win against the team we put out. Hopefully we
can do much better next time,

How did Faldo get the pairings wrong? Some of the guys let 3 hole advantages slip.......that's not Faldo's fault.

As for the singles...........it doesn't matter what order you put the players out. They are all professional golfers and whether they go out first or last they still need to perform. Only 4 of the Europeans won today and that's nothing to do with Faldo or the order they went out.

rigal

No apologies from me.

The guy was a legend but now I think he's a become a bit of an embarassment.

His interview with Sky Sports there said it it all. He was totally ungracious in defeat. He just couldn't acknowledge that the better team won on the day.

Hopefully now he'll go back to pursuing personal interests and leave these kind of things for people who aren't just in it for themselves.

PhilipMarlowe

I agree with stockdam... I was happy with the order going out today...
Who would you have put out first? Harrington was obviously out of sorts and last wast the place for him... Most of the early guys played well but were beaten by better players... Casey probably should have won his game and you could have expected Garcia to beat Kim which would have meant the Europeans winning the first 4 matches and then what...?
Stenson would have been strongly fancied to take on Perry considering his matchplay record but he too came up shy. Wilson was excellent but came up against an immovable object in Weekley...
The leads that were let slip before today were more to 'blame' for the defeat if you are looking for scapegoats.

stockdam

I strongly fancied Stenson and Wilson to win but I think Weekley and Perry were both 8 under.........nobody on the European team would have beaten these two guys. Kim was also 8 under. Ok so if different people had been put out against them then who knows.

I agree that letting the 3 hole leads was maybe where it went wrong.

But rather than looking at the negative side the standard of play was excellent. Very few fairways were missed and very few putts were missed.

Back to today's order.......I think the score was a fair reflection of who played better. Changing the order around would probably not have altered things. Anyone who thinks they would have is maybe hoping for too much or trying to apportion blame.

Traditionally America wins most of the singles and Europe needs to be two or three points ahead going into the singles......this will probably be the case in Wales.

copacetic

stockdam wrote: »

How did Faldo get the pairings wrong? Some of the guys let 3 hole advantages slip.......that's not Faldo's fault.

As for the singles...........it doesn't matter what order you put the players out. They are all professional golfers and whether they go out first or last they still need to perform. Only 4 of the Europeans won today and that's nothing to do with Faldo or the order they went out.

I would expect the captain to work out pairings and only adjust them if they don't work, he seemed to just change them randomly. If he had picked better pairings I think we would have seen a different score.

On the singles it matters massively what order you put the players out. Thats been shown time and time again as the key to ryder cup captaincy. Eg putting Garcia out first when he has been playing really badly and having the US get the early point on the board. Major mistake

It went pretty much as I expected once I saw the order he had gone with. Rose did very well but otherwise they got on top early, got the momentum and they pressure was off the individual players on the USA side.

I certainly doubt anyone feels the need to apologise to Faldo, sure we are still waiting for an apology from him for his 'all the potatoes in Ireland' comment at the opening ceremony.

mike65

Ah bring on the 800 years!

Mike

kingshankly

I for one must apologise to nick Faldo as my opinon of him has changed throughout the last week I ued to think he was ok and a brilliant professional but now I realise he is a gob****e

Mister Sifter

From the beginning of play on Friday i don't think Faldo was a bad captain. At the same time i don't think he was a good one either.

I don't think he got anything glaringly wrong. I just think things didn't work out for him. It's easy to sit watching the tell and then afterwards say 'he should've done this and that' but i think his selections were generally decent.

He was perhaps unfortunate too in that a number of his star players didn't really perform. All in all, America were just too good.

Jaysoose

No apology here to faldo or poulter, the minute i saw Westwood and garcia together for the first foursome it became obvious faldo did not have a scooby doo what he we was at. The two best tee to green guys out together when we all know they are dodgy putters made no sense at all.

Poulter to his credit got his points.

Squiggle

Inquitus wrote: »

Aye but we lost and he's acted like a muppet from start to finish, so good riddance to Captain Useless, his picks aside.

+1

Faldo was a bo11ix as a player and is still a bo11ix - a fcuking begrudging loner. He can't put two words together - I'm embarassed for him at press conferences, the bungling twit. I can't think of a more unsuitable team captain thb - perhaps Scott Hoch for the yankers? Good riddance to the pr1ck and bring on 2010.

copacetic

Squiggle wrote: »

+1

Faldo was a bo11ix as a player and is still a bo11ix - a fcuking begrudging loner. He can't put two words together - I'm embarassed for him at press conferences, the bungling twit. I can't think of a more unsuitable team captain thb - perhaps Scott Hoch for the yankers? Good riddance to the pr1ck and bring on 2010.

squiggle banned for one week.

abouttobebanned

There was a time there when the european team were in crisis. Kim was making a mockery of Garcia and other players were losing confidence too.....and Faldo was laughing and joking with the crowd. The commentator remarked that his team needed him more than the crowd.

He was questionable in everything he did from day one.

And unless Nick Faldo reads this forum and complains about being called names, it really is very silly banning people at such a passionate time, when emotions are obviously going to be running high.

RuggieBear

flanzer wrote: »

Just had an after thought there, not only am I gonna blame Dick Faldo for the European loss, I blame Tiger Woods. I'm sure the American nerves would have been in tatters if he was around :P

As Tony Jacklin just said, 'You can't win'em all'

banned for a week

lolkelly

The reason why Europe lost was not because of Faldo, it was because the main players Garcia/Harrington/Westwood didn’t perform. Harrington in particular was terrible all weekend. He couldn’t even make it past Chad Campbell in the singles. Oliver Wilson was up against Weekly and was 4 down after 12. If he had been playing Cambell he would have been 4 up after that many holes. That goes to show how bad Harrington was playing. Westwood shouldn’t have complained about not playing the Saturday morning as well. He should have got behind the rest of the team.
Harrington/Jimenez – ½ from 4
Westwood/Garcia – 1 from 4

Blunder

We had this discussion last night. Dont think his pairings or order for the singles were anyway wrong. We couldnt see how the europeans were 2 behind going into the last day. The standard of golf this week was top notch. Zinger had the americans on top of their game. Maybe that was faldos biggest downfall, that he possibly didnt have the same motivational skills as Zinger. In Ireland in 06 the crowd were unbelievable. I havent experienced an atmosphere like that in my life and I doubt that I will ever again:(, That coupled with the emotions and Irish players etc drove on the Europeans. Zinger made a big deal about getting the Crowd involved. THats why he picked JB Holmes, Thats why AK and BOO.S.A were so vital to his team, They could work the crowd. The Americans had a pep rally on Thursday evening to get the crowd going and that carried into the matches.

Faldos pairings were fine. I think Ollie Wilson should have played on Friday. Faldo acknowledged that Casey and Stenson were dire on friday morning and left them out of the Evening. Not too much Faldo could have done in terms of the way the matches went in pairs. As someone has said before, Europe let 3up leads slip...thats the way things go sometimes. It says something when Karlson had something like 6 or 7 birdies on the back 9 on saturday evening and he could still only half the match.

The singles running order made sense imo. We needed to get the match back in the 1st 10 matches. I think Westwood and HArrington were then expected to be in the pressure caldron of having to win their matches to win the cup. At the end of the day Westwood has been one of the best players in europe in the last 12 months with probably 15 top 10s and a win, Along with the good performances in the US open etc. And the way harrington was putting this week I would have put him out last 2 as it could have been a case of having to hole a 20-25 footer on the last to win the match and in that case I would have put my house on Harrington to Hole it, USPGA anyone??

All in all, Europe did not play badly. America were just 10 times better than the last 3 ryder cups. Faldo hasnt done himself any favours with the way he's acted with the media but I dont think Its fair to say that he was the reason why we lost. I dont want to see him back though as I feel that the Faldo factor was overplayed by the media and took the focus away from the tournament and european team.

Looking forward to Wales now!!

SpencerJames

Post Apologies To Faldo?


Are you insane. Poulter and Casey are both very good players, no body doubted that they would do well. Poulter in particular has shown tremendous spirit and bite for the cup and has done well. Casey has been average but is now a Ryder Cup veteran and has done ok.

Now, are you saying that Darren Clarke wouldn't have done aswell as these players? Wheter he would of or not is completly irrelevant. He may well of, he may not of. He should of been picked on form and merit. I never had any doubts bout Poulter or Casey performing, but nor would I have had any doubts bout Clarke.

As for posting apologies. Not only were his pairings highly questionable, he made a mess of the singles where he decided to put our 8 best players at either end. In fact all the middle matches lost, leaving Poulter, Westwood, Mcdowell, and Harrington helpless.

He also didn't seem to have to support of the players and seemed to be unprepared. The players weren't happy like before or like the USA team under Azinger.

The fact is, Faldo had the best team by a mile, regardless of his picks and he failed to get the best out of them.

PhilipMarlowe

Look at the (approximate) scorecards from Sunday and you'll quickly see that the Europeans plainly didn't make enough birdies.... It wasn't rocket science.... all they had to do was win the session 7 to 5 to retain the cup, slightly over half the matches. Some of the players that played well were still blown away like Oliver Wilson...
Himinez was approx +1 for 17 holes...
Some of the Americans were phenomenal and couldn't be kept with.

ziggy

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stockdam

SpencerJames wrote: »

Not only were his pairings highly questionable, he made a mess of the singles where he decided to put our 8 best players at either end. In fact all the middle matches lost, leaving Poulter, Westwood, Mcdowell, and Harrington helpless.

I don't understand how that made any difference. Would you have liked to have seen them in the first 8. Just let's suppose that they would have won/lost as they did. Ok so then we would have needed 2 and a half points (I think) from the last 4.......but none of them really got close. Then people would have complained about leaving the weakest players to the end. Ok so things would have been different but who knows.......it may have been even worse.

Faldo did the right thing.......he wanted the last 4 players to be strong so that if things were tight they would have the confidence and experience to fight against the odds. The first 4 did ok but the mid-order was just blown away by better play on the day.

SpencerJames

stockdam wrote: »

I don't understand how that made any difference. Would you have liked to have seen them in the first 8. Just let's suppose that they would have won/lost as they did. Ok so then we would have needed 2 and a half points (I think) from the last 4.......but none of them really got close. Then people would have complained about leaving the weakest players to the end. Ok so things would have been different but who knows.......it may have been even worse.

Faldo did the right thing.......he wanted the last 4 players to be strong so that if things were tight they would have the confidence and experience to fight against the odds. The first 4 did ok but the mid-order was just blown away by better play on the day.

Firstly, anyone with any golfing knowledge and that could put their own feelings about who should of been selected would of had faith in Poulter. The guy finished runner up to Padraig in the Open only a few weeks ago. Not exactly an 18 handicapper. What I'm saying is Poulter or Clarke or Pettersen are all very good players and neither of them would of let the side down. In fact they would of all made the US team.

How can you honestly say it made no difference. In 2002, one of the reasons Europe won was Curtis Stanges failure to put his best players in the mix. Woods, Love III and Mickelson( 1,2,3, in the world) were left last, invisioning a tight match. This was what Faldo thought would happen. He was wrong, in the recent history of the Cup, the team that gets off to the best start in the singles usually wins. History suggests that momentum carries. I believe that if Harrington(albeit off his game), Poulter, McDowell, Garcia, Rose, Karlson and Casey be spread more evenly about we would of had a better chance at stifling the American momentum and thus winning the matches.

Also your argument that the weaker players would of been left till last and lost anyway isn't quite accurate. You are forgetting the psychology of the situation. The likes of Wilson and Stenson played quite well, well enough to beat the likes of Campbell and Stricker. Plus I am saying a more even spread. Faldo failed to realise the importance of momentum. I'm not saying we would of won, but I'm saying we would of had a much better chance with stronger players in the middle.

If you break it down into 3 sessions, we sent Stenson, Wilson, Hansen, Jimenez out in the middle session. Not very strong at all. Especially trailing by 2 as we were, we needed to win 2/3 of the sessions. Madness in my opinion. Especially as the US sent their strongest 4 players out( with the exception of kim) in this session. We got whitewashed effectivly ending the contest.

Blunder

You have to look at the situation and make a call based on that. Remember Faldo didnt know what order the americans were going to go out in. He could have put out all the strong players at the start and the players could still have gotten the players they ended up playing against. You are trying to second guess what the other captain is going to do.
You have to trust your players to play as well as they can and hope that they can beat the guy they are up against. I have no problems with the way Faldo put out his team on Sunday. Saying that someone played well enough to beat Campbell and stricker isnt really a point to be honest as who knows what would have happened had they actually played against them. Wilson I think responded to the intensity of the Weekly match and played brilliantly to eventually lose 4&2. Kenny perry played outstanding golf and stenson kept up with him til 16. Each player was capable of beating their opponent. Some did, some didnt. Thats golf.

Blunder

SpencerJames wrote: »

We got whitewashed effectivly ending the contest.

Did we not half that session 2 all? I was quite happy to be only 2 behind at the end of day 2. It gave us a chance of winning the match as we only needed 7 points. Not that tall an order especially as on paper we had the beating of them in the singles when the pairings were announced.