Stealing from the homeless

CursedSkeptic

During one of my frequent afternoon constitutionals around the south side of Dublin city, I encountered an extraordinary number of street dwellers, beggars and other such folk. Without exception, each held a coffee cup or some similar drinking utensil in their skeletal hands, and each contained a small sum of money. An interesting and I dare say novel thought occurred to me. Do these people actually have any legal claim to this money? Most of them don't have the will to live, so I doubt they would have the will to chase any individual brazen enough to simply walk through town collecting these cups and keeping their contents for themselves. Thoughts?

Karoma

The sensible ones have knives. The rest conveniently have syringes.
Prove me wrong.

Tom65

I saw a homeless man, who had fallen asleep, holding a coffee cup full of change. Another homeless (looking) man came along and took the cup from his hands.

I felt bad for all concerned.

brianthebard

Do you have a legal right to the coins in your pocket? I like Karoma's plan, but make sure you have someone along to video your attempts won't you?

CursedSkeptic

brianthebard wrote: »

Do you have a legal right to the coins in your pocket? I like Karoma's plan, but make sure you have someone along to video your attempts won't you?

Good sir, of course I have a legal right to the coins in my pocket, I earned them through the means of gainful employment. I don't intend on actually carrying out the ideas mentioned in the title post, I was merely wondering, musing if you will.

Mena

CursedSkeptic wrote: »

Do these people actually have any legal claim to this money?

What the hell? It's their money, it's been given to them. Do you have any legal claim to the money in your bank account, that deposited but say, your employer?

CursedSkeptic wrote: »

Most of them don't have the will to live, so I doubt they would have the will to chase any individual brazen enough to simply walk through town collecting these cups and keeping their contents for themselves. Thoughts?

Don't have the will to live? Are you for real?

bellapip

Excuse me. . . Street dwellers?????

Apart from the fact that your original statement automatically signals you out as an asshole, do you think you have any redeeming features that may enable you to continue this conversation?


:DBell.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

If you really want to be callous, it's more fun to peer into the cup, go "hmmm...." and then ask them if they have change of a fifty for the parking meter.

CursedSkeptic

bellapip wrote: »

Excuse me.

You are excused

SV

CursedSkeptic wrote: »

You are excused

Do try this by the way, please/




also enjoy your aids.

CursedSkeptic

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

If you really want to be callous, it's more fun to peer into the cup, go "hmmm...." and then ask them if they have change of a fifty for the parking meter.

If I really wanted to be callous then I am sure I could postulate far worse than what you outlined, however that was never my intention, I am merely seeking information on this matter, I have not stated any desire to carry out such actions myself

Bros123

Tom65 wrote: »

I saw a homeless man, who had fallen asleep, holding a coffee cup full of change. Another homeless (looking) man came along and took the cup from his hands.

I felt bad for all concerned.

What time and street was this and would you think a profit might be made by giving him a litre of cheap whisky an hour beforehand???





*hypothetically speaking of course

Tom65

Bros123 wrote: »

What time and street was this and would you think a profit might be made by giving him a litre of cheap whisky an hour beforehand???





*hypothetically speaking of course

I can't imagine much of a profit. Though I'd refer to Karoma's post for any such business ideas

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

CursedSkeptic wrote: »

If I really wanted to be callous then I am sure I could postulate far worse than what you outlined, however that was never my intention, I am merely seeking information on this matter, I have not stated any desire to carry out such actions myself

"you" was not meant to be specific

j-bone

alot of em have expensive looking trainers (usually shiny white airmax) and decent threads (northface windbreaker for arguments sake) any idea of potential resale value?

Archeron

Ahaha, you are all missing out on the real profit; harvesting the organs of the street dwellers is where its really at.
Didn't any of you read the "are you an organ donor thread"?
The real moneys not in the cardboard cup, its in the vagabond before you.
Pass me the fava beans.

j-bone

Archeron wrote: »

Ahaha, you are all missing out on the real profit; harvesting the organs of the street dwellers is where its really at.
Didn't any of you read the "are you an organ donor thread"?
The real moneys not in the cardboard cup, its in the vagabond before you.
Pass me the fava beans.

genius...i'll run the 2nd hand clothing department if you handle the organ trade?

Archeron

j-bone wrote: »

genius...i'll run the 2nd hand clothing department if you handle the organ trade?

We have a deal. As an aside, I may, totally unrelatedly, open a pie shop.

connundrum

A homeless guy actually once gave me the lend of 20c when I was standing next to a parking meter looking distressed. I wasn't looking to use the meter, but appreciated the 20c regardless (1 x Animal Bar pour moi).

That said, it may have actually been a 'student' and not a homeless person who offered the money. It can be hard to distinguish the two at times.

Either way, I used the 'pay it forward' method of repayment to the initial lender. I dropped a 20c coin into a cup belonging to a chap who'd taken up residence on the Ha'Penny Bridge. I'm sure he would have been putting aside a few bob each week towards the annual administration fee for UCD.

Agamemnon

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

If you really want to be callous, it's more fun to pee into the cup

FYP

Lillyella

CursedSkeptic wrote: »

During one of my frequent afternoon constitutionals around the south side of Dublin city, I encountered an extraordinary number of street dwellers, beggars and other such folk. Without exception, each held a coffee cup or some similar drinking utensil in their skeletal hands, and each contained a small sum of money. An interesting and I dare say novel thought occurred to me. Do these people actually have any legal claim to this money? Most of them don't have the will to live, so I doubt they would have the will to chase any individual brazen enough to simply walk through town collecting these cups and keeping their contents for themselves. Thoughts?

Are you from 1920?

Mahatma coat

the most funnes thing to do is to run at them and knock thecup out of their hand scatering their coins all over the place, for best effect see if you can scatter the cups of 2 or more bums at the same time.

ideally you need to be runnin full tilt, and have someone else video it.

Overheal

connundrum wrote: »

A homeless guy actually once gave me the lend of 20c when I was standing next to a parking meter looking distressed. I wasn't looking to use the meter, but appreciated the 20c regardless (1 x Animal Bar pour moi).

That said, it may have actually been a 'student' and not a homeless person who offered the money. It can be hard to distinguish the two at times.

Either way, I used the 'pay it forward' method of repayment to the initial lender. I dropped a 20c coin into a cup belonging to a chap who'd taken up residence on the Ha'Penny Bridge. I'm sure he would have been putting aside a few bob each week towards the annual administration fee for UCD.

the pay it forward method still requires you to do 2 more acts of charity, for a total of 3. it also requires you to have the recipients pay it forward to 3 other people also. Then somewhere along the line you have to stab a troubled young schoolboy.

Dragan

CursedSkeptic wrote: »

During one of my frequent afternoon constitutionals around the south side of Dublin city, I encountered an extraordinary number of street dwellers, beggars and other such folk. Without exception, each held a coffee cup or some similar drinking utensil in their skeletal hands, and each contained a small sum of money. An interesting and I dare say novel thought occurred to me. Do these people actually have any legal claim to this money? Most of them don't have the will to live, so I doubt they would have the will to chase any individual brazen enough to simply walk through town collecting these cups and keeping their contents for themselves. Thoughts?

They might be homesless, but you'd be a thieving ****.

Run_to_da_hills

Give it a few year and these guys will all have electronic touch pads instead of paper cups.

Marksie

Dragan wrote: »

They might be homesless, but you'd be a thieving ****.

Sure FF have been stealing fom the weak and defensless since they were founded, Don't be so hard on the op .

beautiation

Excellent plan, and to make your getaway simply run into a house. They will be unfamiliar with the layout and are unlikely to be able to negotiate sofas and the suchlike.

CursedSkeptic

Lillyella wrote: »

Are you from 1920?

No, 2008 I believe

CursedSkeptic

connundrum wrote: »

A homeless guy actually once gave me the lend of 20c when I was standing next to a parking meter looking distressed. I wasn't looking to use the meter, but appreciated the 20c regardless (1 x Animal Bar pour moi).

That said, it may have actually been a 'student' and not a homeless person who offered the money. It can be hard to distinguish the two at times.

Either way, I used the 'pay it forward' method of repayment to the initial lender. I dropped a 20c coin into a cup belonging to a chap who'd taken up residence on the Ha'Penny Bridge. I'm sure he would have been putting aside a few bob each week towards the annual administration fee for UCD.

I use the "I don't pay it forward to anyone other than myself or those who I deal with regularly because reciprocal altruism doesn't work in populations as large as that which we see in today's society". It has not as yet let me down.

CursedSkeptic

Dragan wrote: »

They might be homesless, but you'd be a thieving ****.

To the quick of th' ulcer good sir, and I commend thee for it. That crystallises my question, would I in actuality be a thieving so and so? Does the vagrant have any claim to this money he has not earned?

pwp

If it was given as a gift, then he certainly does have claim to it.

How pathetic are people to steal from the homeless?

CursedSkeptic

pwp wrote: »

If it was given as a gift, then he certainly does have claim to it.

How pathetic are people to steal from the homeless?

An unorthodox gift to say the very least. One which is begged for, and is given out of sympathy?

Once again, I did not at any point state that I intend to carry out such an act, so please refrain from addressing me as if I did.

pwp

CursedSkeptic wrote: »

An unorthodox gift to say the very least. One which is begged for, and is given out of sympathy?

But it's still a gift, given without undue duress.

To take that from them is pure theft.

dotsman

Is begging not illegal?*

If so, these funds were acquired illegally, and therefore the street dweller would have no legitimate claim to them. However, neither would anybody who "stole" this money from the street dweller.

This, to me leaves us with a legal quagmire. Perhaps someone qualified in the relevant area of law could enlighten us.



*I'm pretty sure it is illegal, just not enforced, or perhaps illegal under certain circumstances. If it is legal, then please ignore my post!