New Leixlip Guinness Brewery (old thread)

IIMII

Just reading below article from today's Times. Any idea where in Leixlip this is, and is it likely to ship by rail if all beverage produced there is exclusively for export?

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Diageo names Leixlip as site of new Guinness brewery


GUINNESS IS heading home. Global drinks giant Diageo is believed to have chosen a site in Leixlip, Co Kildare, as the location for its new Guinness brewery, which will open in 2013 and operate in tandem with its iconic St James's Gate facility.
Arthur Guinness, the inspiration behind the famous pint of stout, opened his first brewery in Leixlip in 1756 before moving to St James's Gate in Dublin three years later.
It is understood that part of the 50-plus acres that will be used for the new brewery are owned by the Guinness family.
Diageo is expected to inform staff today about its plans to invest €550 million in a state-of-the-art plant that will brew the pint of plain for export markets along with other beers. No comment was available from Diageo last night.
This will be the biggest Guinness brewery in the world in terms of brewing capacity. It will employ 170 workers and all of its product will be shipped to overseas markets.
The brewery will have the capacity to produce about one billion pints a year and will also make Harp, Smithwicks, Carlsberg and Budweiser.
The opening of the brewery will be subject to planning permission from Kildare County Council.
Under a restructuring plan announced in May, Diageo will invest €100 million in upgrading its St James's Gate brewery, which will continue to produce stout for the Irish and British markets.
Breweries in Dundalk and Kilkenny will close and surplus land at St James's Gate is to be sold. About 250 jobs will be lost as part of the reshaping of its operations here.
The Leixlip announcement will end months of speculation as to the location of the new brewery.
A site at Grange Castle in Clondalkin had been hotly tipped for the new brewery, while lands in Balbriggan, Co Dublin, and Enfield, Co Meath, were also thought to have been in the frame. Diageo, however, is believed to have chosen Leixlip because of its historical links with the Guinness family and its location close to a reliable source of water.
Sales of Guinness are on the rise again in Ireland. Diageo last month said that sales of the stout increased by 2.3 per cent in the 12 months to the end of June.
The growth was driven in part by a 3 per cent rise in draught wholesale prices in March, but Diageo said the volumes of Guinness sold had also increased, resulting in a gain in market share.
Guinness's performance in Ireland marked a turnaround on the previous year, when net sales value fell 7 per cent, and was achieved despite a decline in the overall Irish beer market. Guinness sales grew by 6 per cent internationally, surging the most in Africa.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2008/0911/1221039067552.html

Heroditas

The land is over in the direction of Hewlett Packard apparently, kinda halfway between Celbridge and Leixlip.

murphaph

Easy access to the M4 then. So much for rail transport! Grange Castle would have been ideal-as would the fabled multi-modal facility they never built there.

HonalD

Great news for Kildare

murphaph

HonalD wrote: »

Great news for Kildare

? A large factory providing relatively few jobs i'd say. It's no Intel or HP. I presume these brewery jobs will require some skills and experience and will mostly be filled by transfers from Kilkenny/Dundalk/James' Gate anyway. It's symbolic for Diageo and reduces costs by closing 2 historical breweries. No more, no less. Leixlip may regret losing so much industrial land to such a small employer in fact!

IIMII

murphaph wrote: »

Easy access to the M4 then. So much for rail transport! Grange Castle would have been ideal-as would the fabled multi-modal facility they never built there.

Yeah, for some reason I'd though by virtue of bulk, volume and a fixed destination that rail would have made sense in this case, particularly if they have to pass the M50 toll a million times daily

Kashkai

Any jobs going as its just 20 minutes from my house instead of the 1 1/2 hours each way I spend commuting at present. I'm being sarcastic of course as I too believe that there will be minimal jobs with a mostly automated plant. My wife's fromBallina and they thought there would be loads of jobs when Coca Cola located there (the plant is huge) but in the end, due to automation, just 50 people work there or so I've been told.

And on another note, I used to work in the provision of water supply and wastewater treatment facilities. This plant will be a massive drain on the local treatment plants in Leixlip that are both struggling to cope with demand. Guinness will want a huge supply of water (INTEL currently use a million litres a day of treated water) and the waste products from Guinness will easily overload the existing wastewater plant in Leixlip. This will have major implications for future industrial and housing development in the area.

Agent Smith

Heroditas wrote: »

The land is over in the direction of Hewlett Packard apparently, kinda halfway between Celbridge and Leixlip.

Beside HP? Grand job! If we get a discount it would really take the bite of relocating!

Noopti

I presume it is around here somewhere:

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&ll=53.358697,-6.49056&spn=0.018825,0.05579&z=15&msid=103630514315860948240.000456ae4598fe8442641

godtabh

Prosperous Dave wrote: »

A This will have major implications for future industrial and housing development in the area.

They will either have to pay for the upgrade of the local WwTP or provide their own plant.

I think Intel provides its own plant an extracts water from the Liffey, treats uses it in its processes and then treats it before going back in the liffey.

The M4 interchange was designed for such devlopment in the area (but at the time mainly for Intel and HP).

I live very close to this so I'll be keeping an eye on it but I think its a good idea.

Even if they want to export by rail do IR have the capcity to do it any more? They've sold of their rail yard in the Docklands. The Guinness sidings at Heuston appear to be used as a car park and it looks like construction work is about to start there. Is there rolling stock available?

Ham'nd'egger

To me, it's clear that part of their moving away from rail haulage of beer was partially in anticipation of this new site.

I have a Press Pack issued by DIAGEO from the initial press conference to announce the new brewhouse and rail freight gets no mention in it save for referring to the Great Northern Railway. The artists impression of the new brewery has not included a rail link and from DIAGEO's attitude to rail haulage in the last 10 years I won't expect it to ever be connected. Keg Traffic was getting quieter and quieter as they pushed it out to road haulage and with a plant in Leixlip adjacent to the M 4 and close to the M 50, it cuts close to an hour out off a drive to many pubs outside of Dublin. It also allows multi brand delivery to pubs at the one time; this isn't as feasible with beers coming from more than one site as is the case currently so in theory, the deliveries are rationalised with a point to point emphasis. The best rail could hope for is some Planning condition to include a rail spur that obliges some trade of kegs to be hauled off road.

L1011

Nearly sure Intel's water managment is on the Rye not the Liffey, not that this has a major difference...

lostexpectation

so how much water does it take to make a guniness?

Ham'nd'egger

lostexpectation wrote: »

so how much water does it take to make a guniness?

It's about 6-8 pints of water per pint of beer.

godtabh

MYOB wrote: »

Nearly sure Intel's water managment is on the Rye not the Liffey, not that this has a major difference...

Thinking about it that makes sense as the Rye runs through it. Maybe it takes from the Liffey and give to the Rye?

Either way as you said its really the same thing

jmkennedyie

kearnsr wrote: »

Thinking about it that makes sense as the Rye runs through it. Maybe it takes from the Liffey and give to the Rye?

Either way as you said its really the same thing

Don't know the quantities and finer details, but Intel gets water from KCC plant, purifies it, uses it, cleans it up, & sends back to KCC plant.

No water extracted from any rivers (by Intel)...the KCC Leixlip plant extracts from (and discharges into) Liffey I suppose.

Only water Intel is allowed to send direct to river is rainwater run off from car parks, roofs etc. This flows into Rye via a man-made retention pond which has a gated outflow to the river.

godtabh

jmkennedyie wrote: »

Only water Intel is allowed to send direct to river is rainwater run off from car parks, roofs etc. This flows into Rye via a man-made retention pond which has a gated outflow to the river.

Its massive. I can see it from where I live

lostexpectation

jmkennedyie wrote: »

Don't know the quantities and finer details, but Intel gets water from KCC plant, purifies it, uses it, cleans it up, & sends back to KCC plant.

No water extracted from any rivers (by Intel)...the KCC Leixlip plant extracts from (and discharges into) Liffey I suppose.

Only water Intel is allowed to send direct to river is rainwater run off from car parks, roofs etc. This flows into Rye via a man-made retention pond which has a gated outflow to the river.

are you trying to say intel doens't use any water?

marmurr1916

Hamndegger wrote: »

To me, it's clear that part of their moving away from rail haulage of beer was partially in anticipation of this new site.

I have a Press Pack issued by DIAGEO from the initial press conference to announce the new brewhouse and rail freight gets no mention in it save for referring to the Great Northern Railway. The artists impression of the new brewery has not included a rail link and from DIAGEO's attitude to rail haulage in the last 10 years I won't expect it to ever be connected. Keg Traffic was getting quieter and quieter as they pushed it out to road haulage and with a plant in Leixlip adjacent to the M 4 and close to the M 50, it cuts close to an hour out off a drive to many pubs outside of Dublin. It also allows multi brand delivery to pubs at the one time; this isn't as feasible with beers coming from more than one site as is the case currently so in theory, the deliveries are rationalised with a point to point emphasis. The best rail could hope for is some Planning condition to include a rail spur that obliges some trade of kegs to be hauled off road.

I presume most of the Harp will be heading north to Northern Ireland.

The Guinness from this brewery will be for export to market outside Ireland and the UK so will probably be heading straight for Dublin Port.

Flippyfloppy

IIMII wrote: »

GUINNESS IS heading home. Global drinks giant Diageo is believed to have chosen a site in Leixlip, Co Kildare, as the location for its new Guinness brewery, which will open in 2013 and operate in tandem with its iconic St James's Gate facility.




http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2008/0911/1221039067552.html

Well that went well.

Shannon757

Flippyfloppy wrote: »

Well that went well.

Seriously dude, a 5 year old thread?

Flippyfloppy

I'm just pointing out that this brewery never went ahead.

Does anyone know why/what happened?

alias no.9

Flippyfloppy wrote: »

Well that went well.

The plant was built at St James Gate, the original plan had been to redevelop a chunk of that site as residential but that got canned in the bust and they kept it for the new factory.

Flippyfloppy

alias no.9 wrote: »

The plant was built at St James Gate, the original plan had been to redevelop a chunk of that site as residential but that got canned in the bust and they kept it for the new factory.

Thanks appreciate that info!

cython

Shannon757 wrote: »

Seriously dude, a 5 7 year old thread?

Shannon757

cython wrote: »

Thanks for pointing out my idiocy