Need help wording statement

CuppaCocoa

Friend of mine works as a security guard. A new guy who seems to be unstable has been working with her for the past four months. Long story short - he's violent and aggressive and management want him out. He hasn't hit anyone (yet) but has thrown things across the room. He is seeing a psychiatrist and is on medication. He's taken a liking to my friend and tells her his problems. Her manager wants her to give a statement about his behaviour as she wants to get rid of him. My friend is not too keen on this but fears losing her job if she doesn't do it. She not on a contract and has no union.

I'm afraid that the guy will be shown her statement and may use it against her. He is very volatile. She's asked me to type it up for her. Is there any wording I can use that can protect her?

kmart6

''I saw absolutely nothing!!!''

tallus

Unless your friend is qualified to make a statement about someone elses mental condition, it probably won't hold any water either way.

shenanigans1982

"You can't stand there" .....the only words security guards can comprehend.

Although maybe she should just follow him around for a while trying to pretend that she is not following him around....the only actions security guards can comprehend.

thelordofcheese

lilybarlean wrote: »

Friend of mine works as a security guard. A new guy who seems to be unstable has been working with her for the past four months. Long story short - he's violent and aggressive and management want him out. He hasn't hit anyone (yet) but has thrown things across the room. He is seeing a psychiatrist and is on medication. He's taken a liking to my friend and tells her his problems. Her manager wants her to give a statement about his behaviour as she wants to get rid of him. My friend is not too keen on this but fears losing her job if she doesn't do it. She not on a contract and has no union.

I'm afraid that the guy will be shown her statement and may use it against her. He is very volatile. She's asked me to type it up for her. Is there any wording I can use that can protect her?

Dear <guys name here>
you are Fucking mental.
Please stop or i'll fire your batshit loco ass.
Thanks
<yore mates name here>

Capt'n Midnight

put facts in to the statement not opinions, stuff that can't be argued with

but

IIRC unless a person has been working for a year or been made permenant they are entitled to only one weeks notice and no reason is needed to let them go, so not sure why a statement is needed.

best to check up here though
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=10
boards.ie > Biz > Personal > Work & Jobs

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/categories/employment/unemployment-and-redundancy/dismissal/unfair_dismissal

found it - if he's got only got 4 months then it's bye bye no questions asked, no statements needed unless someone higher up is trying to pass the buck.

Service

Normally you must have at least 12 months' continuous service with your employer in order to bring a claim for unfair dismissal. However there are important exceptions to this general rule. If you have less than 12 months' continuous service you may bring a claim for unfair dismissal if you are dismissed for:

* Trade union membership or activity
* Pregnancy, giving birth or breastfeeding or any matters connected with pregnancy or birth
* Availing of rights granted by the Maternity Protection Acts 1994 and 2004, the Adoptive Leave Acts 1995 and 2005, the National Minimum Wage Act 2000, the Parental Leave Acts 1998 and 2006 and the Carer's Leave Act 2001

ewj1978

sounds like the "BOSS" is a w*nker and doesn't want this guy giving him grief, so he's asking your friend to write up a report which WILL be shown to the mentaller therefore no problemo for boss.

Adam

surely her being fired for not giving said statement would be grounds for an unfair dismissal claim??

Unknown Soldier

lilybarlean wrote: »

Friend of mine works as a security guard. A new guy who seems to be unstable has been working with her for the past four months. Long story short - he's violent and aggressive and management want him out. He hasn't hit anyone (yet) but has thrown things across the room. He is seeing a psychiatrist and is on medication. He's taken a liking to my friend and tells her his problems. Her manager wants her to give a statement about his behaviour as she wants to get rid of him. My friend is not too keen on this but fears losing her job if she doesn't do it. She not on a contract and has no union.

I'm afraid that the guy will be shown her statement and may use it against her. He is very volatile. She's asked me to type it up for her. Is there any wording I can use that can protect her?

The boss can get rid of the guy already. No need for a statement based on what you have said. Throwing things across a room is not normal work etiquette. Have a look at the standard contract. I am sure you can find a useful clause there relating to behaviour at work and stuff like that.

gl.

humanji

As people have said, the boss doesn't need the statement. Your friend should just tell them that they don't need them to file a statement and that they are also worried about it getting back to the nutter. If the boss won't accept that then tell your friend to get a job where she isn't treated like a piece of shìt.

CuppaCocoa

ewj1978 wrote: »

sounds like the "BOSS" is a w*nker and doesn't want this guy giving him grief, so he's asking your friend to write up a report which WILL be shown to the mentaller therefore no problemo for boss.

That's what she's afraid of. If he reads it he'll go ballistic. Can she ask her boss to sign an agreement that she won't disclose the contents of her statement to him? Trouble is the information in it he told to her only so he'll know it came from her. If they do manage to fire him she's afraid he'll be waiting for her with an iron bar.

Unknown Soldier

lilybarlean wrote: »

If they do manage to fire him she's afraid he'll be waiting for her with an iron bar.

That is what the boss is thinking too. Maybe give the problem employee enough rope....?

Your friend is best to avoid all of this. Tell her to remember work, mostly, is about the wage. Forget this bollix.

CuppaCocoa

Unknown Soldier wrote: »

That is what the boss is thinking too. Maybe give the problem employee enough rope....?

Your friend is best to avoid all of this. Tell her to remember work, mostly, is about the wage. Forget this bollix.

her boss is really pushing her for this statement. She's already said she doesn't want to give it but she's insisting on getting it from her for tomorrow. She's torn as to what to do. That's why I though of getting her to sign an agreement not to disclose the contents to the headbanger.

the_syco

lilybarlean wrote: »

Trouble is the information in it he told to her only so he'll know it came from her. If they do manage to fire him she's afraid he'll be waiting for her with an iron bar.

If someone put me between a rock and a hard place, I'd be tempted to let the rock know that the boss wants to fire him, tbh.

Sounds like the boss thinks the nut has some sort of disability, and if fired, the nut can say he was fired due to the disability, and not because he's a nut who flings stuff across the room.

Playing with fire, but I wonder what would happen if the nut found a crumpled up letter from your friend addressed to the boss saying that she doesn't think it's morally right that she has to write X about the nut or get fired, on the day your friend leaves?

/edit: just read your latest post. Leave, don't stoke the fire, and leave the boss to sort it out. You don't want the nut to follow your mate into her next job.

humanji

She has to stand up for herself. She has to tell the boss outright that she's afraid of reprisals from the guy and so will on no terms make the statement. As Unknown Soldier said, it kind of seems like the boss wants to blame your friend for having the guy fired.

ejmaztec

Forge the boss's signature on the statement, then post it to the security guard's home address.

Sam Vimes

it's already been said but just to hammer it home, he's been there less than a year so the unfair dismissal act doesn't apply. There's no point getting him to sign an agreement that he won't divulge the contents because if he doesn't then there's no point taking the statement in the first place

your girlfriend shouldn't do something that risks her safety because her manager will be pissed off otherwise, it's just a job. And she especially shouldn't do it because the statement is unnecessary to fire the guy

Kanoe

my mother has been working in a care centre for the aged as a carestaff for the last five years, a few years ago some issues arose between herself and the manager after my mother refused to administer prescription pills to one of the clients and so my mother was reprimanded and placed on disciplinary leave while the issue was being investigated. As part of the investigation the manager of the centre requested that all the employees give statements about what happened as a defence and these statements were handed over to union reps on my mothers behalf. it turned out that three of the five people who gave statements weren't on the premises at the time and they were no more evidence of what occured than they were character references that management coerced her co- workers to give. She read every page of every one and it's difficult to describe the physical and psychological effect it has had on her, she's 64 years old and coming up to retirement. Every staff member apologised when they found out she had been given each one to read and after the union jumped in she was reinstated with full pay. The honcho who requested the statements resigned and a legal case has been filed and pending on my mothers behalf. I know the scenarios may be a bit different but I would advise your friend to leave your boss deal with it personally.


edit: this should be in the work section