2020..what will the classic scene be like..predictions here!

carchaeologist

What are your predictions for what we will be saving/restoring and driving in 2020,or will we be restoring anything...

Max_Damage

My Micra is undergoing restoration (slowly mind you), but I'm getting there none the less. Money and time isn't on my side though at the moment.

What about that '86 Corsa that you have? Will that ever see the light of day again?

Melinn

2020??...classics in the making...

Not many spring to mind...Audi TT, DTM Merc, M5, M6,

carchaeologist

Max_Damage wrote: »

What about that '86 Corsa that you have? Will that ever see the light of day again?

This is the question,its very solid,but needs cosmetics,a rub of aa welding torch,a panel or two and a paint job,i will keep it because if i got rid of it it would be scrapped or broken for parts,and its an old irish reg too..one day..:D
This is why the 30 year tax exemption is a good idea,i have the capri in storage waiting for this,that car needs cosmetics and paint too though.
I know theres cars out there in storage for this reason,my thinking is for every classic you see on thre road theres at least another one in a shed somwhere,nearly everyone into old cars has at least one other one,or so it seems anyway.

Neither my datsun or my chevette are 30 years yet(though they look prehistoric on the road these days),still paying the full tax each year.

Sids Not

IMO.I dont think any of todays cars will be classics..no character...:)

Max_Damage

Sids Not wrote: »

IMO.I dont think any of todays cars will be classics..no character...:)

Most cars of nowadays probably won't make it to 30 years anyway, as:

1. They are built like white goods.
2. Too much electronic crap in them to go wrong (could you imagine restoring a modern BMW M5? No chance!)

8~)

Alfa 156, the car that saved Alfa in the same way the Alfasud saved Alfa in the 70s. Ford Granada/Scorpio and Opel Omega being the last non-luxury mainstream big RWD cars, just for common man rarity value. Mazda MX-5. Renault Val Satis for rarity. Opel Speedster and Lotus Elise. VW Golf TDI... savage yoke.

Max_Damage

8~) wrote: »

Alfa 156

See my second point above. Not many will last till then, and I doubt Alfa dealers will want to look at a 156 in 20 years time to put out a Christmas tree set of warning lights on the dash.

Anyway, I think Alfa's are overrated.

carchaeologist

8~) wrote: »

Alfa 156, the car that saved Alfa in the same way the Alfasud saved Alfa in the 70s. Ford Granada/Scorpio and Opel Omega being the last non-luxury mainstream big RWD cars, just for common man rarity value. Mazda MX-5. Renault Val Satis for rarity. Opel Speedster and Lotus Elise. VW Golf TDI... savage yoke.

If these will be possible classics,what will our day to day road cars be like!!

carchaeologist

Max_Damage wrote: »

Most cars of nowadays probably won't make it to 30 years anyway, as:
They are built like white goods.

Most of the 70s cars were too..i heard a story of a british journalist that was over in japan at a car factory in the 70s,he was trying to impress the japs and said "british manufacturers build great cars,we build our cars to last 15 years",the japanese guy replies,"we build ours to last 5",and seeing how some 70s jap motors rusted id believe it!:P

junkyard

Mark 2 Golf GTI and the E39 M5 will definitely be there or should be anyway.

Max_Damage

Rover Metro GTi

corktina

carchaeologist wrote: »

Most of the 70s cars were too..i heard a story of a british journalist that was over in japan at a car factory in the 70s,he was trying to impress the japs and said "british manufacturers build great cars,we build our cars to last 15 years",the japanese guy replies,"we build ours to last 5",and seeing how some 70s jap motors rusted id believe it!:P

they keep em 5 and then send them here!

i dont think any of the current cars are that exciting that I'll be wanting a 30 yr old one one day...

Dades

Of all the 'moderns' about today I'd like to see the Mazda RX8 stand the test of time. Always had a thing for Peugeot 405 coupes too.

eamon234

I reckon the MK1 Ford Ka will be a big one it's the most individual looking car in its class (some say downright ugly but they said that about the Mini too!) I think it'll age fairly well it's simple and reliable and nippy with that 1.3 engine.

trevorbrady

rare in 30 years time? mucho "ordinary man" value?

any Daewoo...

alpina

Maybe not '20 but by 2040/50 having anything larger than a 2L posibly considered a classic/rare

Sids Not

On secound thoughts..maybe the mini and the beetle.....where have i seen them before..:rolleyes:

8~)

carchaeologist wrote: »

If these will be possible classics,what will our day to day road cars be like!!

Crap... until 20 years later.

I'll add the mk 1 Ford Focus.
Back in the 70s the Mk 2 Escort and Morris Minor were everywhere. The flash guys had an Alfasud, flash but safe (and wealthy) had a Mercedes. The new generation were dabbing with FWD Ranaults... where are they all today? Anything 70s is considered a classic. So. pretty much anything goes. I picked the cars that will stand out more than others... though I am sure there will be fans of the Mk 1 Mondeo in years to come... debating with owners of M1 Primeras.

L-M

Let me see...

Defenders of course:P
Gti golfs and the likes, there's not alot that i can see staying on the roads, 1990's cars are falling apart as is lol

1275gt

as max damage said previously, anything with complex electronics and mechanical systems would be a nightmare to restore in the future.

my guess would be that by 2020, anything that doesnt run on distilled water will be banned from the roads anyway.

smart roadster coupe would get my vote for a nice resto job in the future :cool:

MercMad

A definite classic for the future will be, and I've said it here before, the Opel Calibra !!

The E34 BMW, they are getting rare now and they will most likely be the oldest 5 series around by then !

The W124 and W140 Mercs.

mustang68

Max_Damage wrote: »

2. Too much electronic crap in them to go wrong (could you imagine restoring a modern BMW M5? No chance!)

I think what you forget is that as the cars get newer the tools and methodologies available do too. Some examples:

If you have a very early horseless carriage (steam/petrol) you better know about carriage building, metal work, oak breaks, casting metal, leather working, steam pressure, etc.

1970's you need to know early electrical systems, pre 1980's carb tuning is very important. If you have some models of citroens you better know your hydralics.

With the current scene in chipping and modding cars ECUs, it will be this that will become the classic car discipline in the future. Electrics and computers aren't magic or impossible and for the first time we are the lucky ones that from here on we have access to nearly unlimited information on the internet.

peasant

mustang68 wrote: »

I think what you forget is that as the cars get newer the tools and methodologies available do too. Some examples:

If you have a very early horseless carriage (steam/petrol) you better know about carriage building, metal work, oak breaks, casting metal, leather working, steam pressure, etc.

1970's you need to know early electrical systems, pre 1980's carb tuning is very important. If you have some models of citroens you better know your hydralics.

With the current scene in chipping and modding cars ECUs, it will be this that will become the classic car discipline in the future. Electrics and computers aren't magic or impossible and for the first time we are the lucky ones that from here on we have access to nearly unlimited information on the internet.

Only problem with that is that you CAN learn (via the internet if needs be) how to bend your wood, cast your iron or set up your carburettor you can not re-make a chip that isn't produced anymore.

mustang68

peasant wrote: »

Only problem with that is that you CAN learn (via the internet if needs be) how to bend your wood, cast your iron or set up your carburettor you can not re-make a chip that isn't produced anymore.

The very first commercially available microprocessor the intel 4004, which is 35 years old is still on ebay, its functionality can be emulated in cheaper newer processors. The firmware for most modern cars can be acquired if you know where to look.

You can learn via the internet how to buy chips/ecus, install software or set up your air flow ratio correctly. Off the shelf today you can by an open source ECU and replace your own cars ECU.

Cars were a mystery to me, computers not at all. We're all just going to have to get with the programme

BrianD3

With the current scene in chipping and modding cars ECUs, it will be this that will become the classic car discipline in the future. Electrics and computers aren't magic or impossible and for the first time we are the lucky ones that from here on we have access to nearly unlimited information on the internet

Agreed. When this argument comes up I often point to people who restore 70s and 80s classic arcade machines. This process would include fixing dead PCBs, monitors and power supplies, soldering and desoldering components, using logic probes, oscilloscopes and EPROM burners etc. If custom chips are not available anymore good chips from scrap boards can be used or sometimes workarounds using generic parts can be found. Although these machines are now extremely obsolete (2 MHz CPUs etc.) when new they were "high technology"- when new, if someone had suggested that enthusiasts would be fixing them in thier garages 30 years later, they'd have been laughed out of it

Restoring Classic cars is and always will be a much bigger and more mainstream hobby than restoring old coin op machines. Therefore IMO there will be plenty of resources (in terms of skills and parts) available for the hobby in the future.

milod

I reckon the Mazda MX5 will be the common classic by then - a bit like the MG is now, but reliable (lights blue touchpaper and retires etc)

Traumadoc

Vw corrado, I had one for 5 years, great sports coupe.

carchaeologist

BrianD3 wrote: »

Agreed. When this argument comes up I often point to people who restore 70s and 80s classic arcade machines. This process would include fixing dead PCBs, monitors and power supplies, soldering and desoldering components, using logic probes, oscilloscopes and EPROM burners etc. If custom chips are not available anymore good chips from scrap boards can be used or sometimes workarounds using generic parts can be found. Although these machines are now extremely obsolete (2 MHz CPUs etc.) when new they were "high technology"- when new, if someone had suggested that enthusiasts would be fixing them in thier garages 30 years later, they'd have been laughed out of it

Restoring Classic cars is and always will be a much bigger and more mainstream hobby than restoring old coin op machines. Therefore IMO there will be plenty of resources (in terms of skills and parts) available for the hobby in the future.

Interesting take on it!! If one man can make it,another man can repair it i suppose

2MHz CPUs:P