Health and Safety Regulations

sydthebeat

How many here are up-to-speed on these?

Do most architectural offices take on the role of Project Supervisor Design Stage (PSDS)?
How does this role differ from the responsibilites of the designer? does the designer have to design passed by the PSDS even before sketch design proposals are offered?? or before planning?? or before tender??

Do many offices appoint a PSDS for one off rural builds? where the work is expected to exceed 500 man hours.....

Poor Uncle Tom

It is ususlly the title given to the designer on jobs for semi public or public use being presented to the department, possibly for grant aid or funding, eg., school, library, etc.

But this is rather simplistic a view because the title is only 8 to 10 years old and has not taken on its full developmental potential yet. IMO.

sinnerboy

2006 regs changed the title from PSDS to PDSP

Project supervisor design STAGE to Project supervisor design PROCESS

semantics ? no

As PSDP you are engaged untill completion . YOU must assemble the Safety File
You must sign ( with others ) temporary works certificates . Appoint a structural engineer on your specific behalf if you feel you lack competence for this

In the case of a house commissioned by the end user - then the client has no duty to appoint a PSDP . You are a designer under the regs .

Briefly - Duties include

Identify hazards - for during build and for end user maintenance
Seek to remove them
Where not possible / practicable - reduce them ( rendered chimney stack in liue of brick - avoid need to repoint ? )
suggest control measures to cope with remaining risks - i.e advise clients to only allow cleaning of gutter by insured company using cherry picker

sydthebeat

as designer do I HAVE TO assume role as PSDP???

is my only responsibiliy as design to inform client of requirement to engage a PSDP??

SB, do you assum role of PSDP for dwelling projects??

No6

Syd its PSDP (Project Supervisor for the Design Process) under the current regulations and they should be appointed at project inception, ie along with the architect and the Health & Safety authority should be notified with form AF1 by registered post. Domestic houses are exempt from the requirement for the Client to appoint PSDP & PSCS (you should as a designer do a design safety audit anyway) but any and all non domestic needs a PSDP unless its under the tresholds and doesnt contain any particular risks.

sydthebeat

can i ask if any arch tech here simply undertook this role as part of the design team, or did they do any specific training to become qualified to do this. ie should i try to take this on myself?

I see, on the IATGN website, an up and coming training course... maybe that might be useful.

sinnerboy

sydthebeat wrote: »

as designer do I HAVE TO assume role as PSDP???

is my only responsibiliy as design to inform client of requirement to engage a PSDP??

SB, do you assum role of PSDP for dwelling projects??

no - The Client has to make the appointment . If they don't -by default they appoint themselves

no and yes ... you must inform the client . you don't have to educate them on all the finer points . Contact HSA for info - their site has good download documents . as Designer under the act you must inform the client and carry out risk assessment

no - designer only

archtech

sydthebeat wrote: »

as designer do I HAVE TO assume role as PSDP???

As far I understand you don't, the client has to appoint you in writing and you have to accept the appointment. We advise when outlining the scope of our services that we will not act as PSDP and inform the client of his/her requirement to appoint one.

sydthebeat wrote: »

is my only responsibiliy as design to inform client of requirement to engage a PSDP??

As a designer you do have a duty to inform that client that s/he needs to appoint a PSDP under the regulations. You have however to fulfill the designer's duties of the regulations.

sydthebeat wrote:

can i ask if any arch tech here simply undertook this role as part of the design team, or did they do any specific training to become qualified to do this. ie should i try to take this on myself?

Under the regulations it states that a PSPD is competent and qualified to act as one, by qualification there is no definition in the regulations. Also you need to inform the provider of the practice's PI that you are acting as a PSDP, as the role is excluded from some policies.

No6

sydthebeat wrote: »

can i ask if any arch tech here simply undertook this role as part of the design team, or did they do any specific training to become qualified to do this. ie should i try to take this on myself?

I see, on the IATGN website, an up and coming training course... maybe that might be useful.

Syd I am doing it for a number of my own projects, yes you should do some training, under the old legilation we we all considered competent persons now you need additional training. If you have been doing the role of PSDS under the old regs its not a hugh jump to PSDP, theres a lot more work and responsibility to it as noted above. I did the course in Galway in June (its actually organised by CIAT) its two very intensive days with exams and all. You do get a certificate from IOSH (Institue of Safety & Health) if you pass, still waiting for mine!! Its worth doing and then you can decide wheather to do it or not.

In relation to the Client try this http://publications.hsa.ie/index.asp?locID=6&docID=243 I send it to all my non domestic clients and if they don't do anything they are liable

Slig

I got notified by the IATGN of a conference somewhere (I think Limerick) regarding the 2006 H&S regs and how they affect ATs. I dont know if it gives you any formal training or if it just highlights the main aspects though. It cost 500 euro and was on in October (when I'll be sunning myself on Honeymoon:D) so I cant go. I'll PM you the details if you like.

sydthebeat

Ive seen that on the IATGN website, thanks.

I think for the time being ill advise clients to outsource PSDPs. i have about 7 different jobs that this wil be pertinent to, so i hope PSDPs arent too expensive...

oh, and congrats slig!!!

No6

I dont know Slig given the choice between a Health & Safety course and Honeymoon I know what I pick!!:D Congrats from me too!!! its not to late to run!!!:eek:

topcatcbr

congrats slig

smashey

Slig wrote: »

(when I'll be sunning myself on Honeymoon:D)

What date is the wedding?

muffler

smashey wrote: »

What date is the wedding?

Gate and crash are the operative words here are they?

Congrats from me too.








And yes we can go off topic with the congrats

Slig

October the third in a hotel still under construction. The wedding march is going to be in tandem with the reversing beeper of a JCB:D.

muffler

Slig wrote: »

October the third in a hotel still under construction. The wedding march is going to be in tandem with the reversing beeper of a JCB:D.

Nice one

muffler

Isnt it a bit odd that Slig's upcoming marriage is being mentioned in a thread titled "health and safety regulations"

topcatcbr

Quite appropriate if you ask me.

sinnerboy

need to take this to PI forum ??? anyone:D:D:D

Slig

sinnerboy wrote: »

need to take this to PI forum ??? anyone:D:D:D

Professional Indemnity? are we back on topic again?

sinnerboy

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