Budget called early!!!!

DWCommuter

Perhaps we'll get a clearer picture of how things railway are going to pan out in 2009. 5 billion off target this year, who knows how much next year. Who's still positive about Navan, Metro and Interconnector?:D C'mon own up.

Things don't look good in merrion sq.

Run_to_da_hills

DWCommuter wrote: »

Perhaps we'll get a clearer picture of how things railway are going to pan out in 2009. 5 billion off target this year, who knows how much next year. Who's still positive about Navan, Metro and Interconnector?:D C'mon own up.

Things don't look good in merrion sq.

I can see all the old Mk 2 coaches being saved for the proposed metro and interconnector.

Captain Chaos

The Mk2s are paper clips and razor blades at this stage, hopefully they re-furb the Mk3 and don't sell them all off or scrap them, they have another good 15 years left in them if they are looked after. They'll be sorry if they don't.

darkman2

DWCommuter wrote: »

C'mon own up.

Maybe we have aquired the can do attitude and dynamism of the Germans with a dose of the 'think big' attitude of the Americans - just maybe.





Maybe not.

DWCommuter

darkman2 wrote: »

Maybe we have aquired the can do attitude and dynamism of the Germans with a dose of the 'think big' attitude of the Americans - just maybe.





Maybe not.

You may have. I know I have. But have the folks in Leinster House aquired that attitude? Hmmm...

AlekSmart

They could rather easily direct Dublin Bus to suspend the sale of 127 of it`s RA/V type vehicles and utilise them to improve the general Bus service level.

Whilst the Companies devotion to it`s 100% Low Floor operation was and indeed remains highly desireable,the radically altered state of the public finances now demands a different reaction.

Some 100 of the buses currently on offer could remain in service at NO further cost.
It should be borne in mind that the UK Bus market now places a very high premium on second hand Bus Atha Cliath vehicles as they are maintained to standards which exceed their own stock by quite a bit.

It is also worth noting that the current tranche are being offered-on the UK market as being fit for service (FFS) at least until 2016 before requiring further modification.

Of course this type of common sense falls flat at it`s first hurdle....a Minister for Transport who is unconvinced that we need ANY more buses to provide a service at all.. :mad: :mad: :mad:

Run_to_da_hills

Retain 127 busses instead of a metro :mad:

AlekSmart

Nuttin to do wit Metro....the case for retaining existing assets to service existing underprovided for needs stands on its own six wheels....:D
If we address the simple stuff in a reasonably direct manner the big stuff (inc Metro) will get a better chance of a start.

If,as I suspect however the traditional retained Civil Service ethos prevails we will see a mad swathe cut through ALL spending plans with little or no reasoning prevailing.....

karlr42

Regardless of the budget, the Interconnector must get built, all of it, electrification of Maynooth and Kildare lines should start immediately or ASAP! I don't think Dublin can wait any longer, population is constantly on the rise and if this is not done, we'll pay the price heavily in a few years' time.

Run_to_da_hills

AlekSmart wrote: »

Nuttin to do wit Metro...

The Government is well capible of knocking any future metro project on the head with the way the economy is turning. A surplus of 127 busses and a few more QBC's would be a nice cheapscate alternative. :eek:

karlr42 wrote: »

population is constantly on the rise .

If anything there will be a fall in urban population, much of the foreign nationals will leave as soon as they are out of work and many Irish will also emmigrate. Dole figures up 40% since last year alone.

Belfast

DIRT Raid planned .
Up from 23% to 40% in Budget and backdated Shocked to Jan 1st 2008

http://www.thepropertypin.com/viewtopic.php?t=13048&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=ebae42bb860db723b5ac79fb554b1f48

paulm17781

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

The Government is well capible of knocking any future metro project on the head with the way the economy is turning. A surplus of 127 busses and a few more QBC's would be a nice cheapscate alternative. :eek:

Your thinking is everything that is wrong with this country. We shouldn't be considering "cheapscate alternatives" we should build new infrastructure to the highest quality. Your logic is why Dublin is a mess now.

bk

Belfast wrote: »

DIRT Raid planned .
Up from 23% to 40% in Budget and backdated Shocked to Jan 1st 2008

http://www.thepropertypin.com/viewtopic.php?t=13048&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=ebae42bb860db723b5ac79fb554b1f48

Complete alarmist BS, the fact that DIRT is actually 20%, not 23% makes me very doubtful about this guy on some forum has any clue what he is talking about.

kmick

I hope he raises personal taxes rather than cut services in health and education. I would personally be prepared to sacrifice a couple more cent in the 100 so next time I go to hospital I get good care or my kids dont have to build their own classroom.

Let me also say I have no confidence in this government to spend my 2c in 100c wisely.

D'Peoples Voice

TRANSPORT

Gross Expenditure for the Department of Transport in 2009 is €3,613 million, a decrease of €160 million (€6 million Current and €154 million Capital) relative to the 2008 forecast outturn. The key policy measures and adjustments associated with these resources in 2009 and later years are as follows:-

* capital expenditure of over €900 million is allocated to fund public transport infrastructure. This is about €70 million less than the amount made available in 2008, but it is sufficient for progress on a wide range of projects, including:
* Luas extensions to Cherrywood, Docklands and Citywest
* improved bus priority measures in Dublin and the regional cities
* the completion of the Midleton rail line and phase 1 of the Western Rail Corridor from Ennis to Athenry
* the construction of the Kildare Route project and phase 1 of the Navan rail line
* the continuation of Iarnród Éireann’s railway safety programme
* the start of the Dublin city centre rail re-signalling programme
* continued roll-out of new railcars on the intercity routes
* planning and enabling works on Metro North, and
* planning works for the DART Interconnector;
* in addition, €338 million of current expenditure is provided for the operation of public transport services throughout the country. This is €6 million more than the 2008 provision.
* capital expenditure of over €1.4 billion is being made available to the National Roads Authority. This allocation is €157 million less than in 2008, and while progress on some projects will necessarily have to slow down, key national routes will be delivered as planned, specifically:
* the major inter urban roads connecting Dublin with the regional cities of Waterford, Galway, Limerick and Cork by end-2010;
* the M50 upgrade;

there will also be progress on other key national routes, including the Atlantic Road Corridor;

* over €600 million is being made available to local authorities throughout the country for the upgrade and maintenance of regional and local roads;
* capital expenditure of €10 million is provided for additional carbon reduction measures to target climate change initiatives in the transport sector;
* as a start to the Government’s commitment to part-fund a dual carriageway road within Northern Ireland transforming access to the North West of the island, a capital provision of €13.5 million is being made available in 2009 towards the planning works for this project;
* provision for Regional Airports is reduced by €13 million to €11 million in 2009. Annual provision for capital investment in the regional airports is decided according to estimates of likely drawdowns in the year for specific projects. This can vary from year to year;
* overall, the reduced capital allocation for transport will require some rescheduling of projects. Such decisions will be taken by the Department of Transport and its agencies on a project-by-project basis, taking account of their assessment of priorities within the revised expenditure envelope;
* the impact of the reduced current allocation is being spread across a number of areas and principally involves reduced expenditure on road maintenance.

The detailed 2009 Estimate for this Department is set out at page G.67.

Chris_533976

TBH I was expecting a gutting of the roads budget. Seems like not a huge lot has changed. €167mil less is approximately half of one scheme?

Cool Mo D

Most of the roads budget is going on projects that have already started. It probably wouldn't make sense to leave half-built motorways everywhere, so the roads budget stays the same.
Notice the lack of new projects to begin, and wait until next year, when many projects are complete, and watch it drop.

dowlingm

Captain Chaos wrote: »

The Mk2s are paper clips and razor blades at this stage, hopefully they re-furb the Mk3 and don't sell them all off or scrap them, they have another good 15 years left in them if they are looked after. They'll be sorry if they don't.

There's a tender on etenders.gov.ie, due for replies on 11 November, to refurb 48 x Mk3. The number listed on IE's website, excluding special class cars, the PPs and the Internationals is somewhat higher so it will be interesting to see what the plan is for the remainder - they do indicate a wish to discuss options for additional vehicles.

KC61

dowlingm wrote: »

There's a tender on etenders.gov.ie, due for replies on 11 November, to refurb 48 x Mk3. The number listed on IE's website, excluding special class cars, the PPs and the Internationals is somewhat higher so it will be interesting to see what the plan is for the remainder - they do indicate a wish to discuss options for additional vehicles.

An earlier tender offered the fleet up for sale, but with the proviso that IÉ might retain some sets.

The link is at:
Weblink http://www.etenders.gov.ie/search/show/search_view.aspx?ID=APR101275

It is likely that this latest tender means that 6 sets will be retained, as expected, in order to offer 2 sets as backup for the Mark 4 trains on Dublin-Cork, and 4 sets to enable the Dublin-Belfast service go to an hourly frequency, with one of those four sets being retained as a spare at Connolly.

dowlingm

Let's hope it goes better than the LHB Dart fiasco... and that they give the refurbers one in good nick to start with rather than the problem child stripped for parts!