Levy - smaller balls than a squirrel

RichMc70

Yep he's bottled it. After all the twoing and throwing our club chairman has buckled and agreed to drop the allegation against manyoo.

Transfer agreed at £30.75m (we had £34m on table from city)
Frazer Campbell on a season loan (a loan deal only)
Agreed to drop tapping up charge against the bullyboy manc scum (cowardly)

I know some will say "well business is business" but after all that has gone on surely it leaves a very bad taste to know what type of weak person we have running the club.

I did not doubt (realistically) for one moment that Berbatov would not eventually go to manyoo. But I hoped that Levy who 'talked the talk would have the balls to walk the walk' and pursue the tapping up charge against them.

The sulk berbatov has got what he wanted, manyoo have got what they wanted (albeit at a higher price).

Sure we have £30.75m and a loan player for our troubles but what dignity have we come out of this with? What message does this send to any other club we may do business with in the future?

I've edited the last part of this post as on reflection I should'nt have wished injury upon a player that's just being childish and was a moment of anger on my part. However I do not wish him any luck with his future career

Kold

RichMc70 wrote: »

I hope the cnut breaks his leg in his first game for them.

Wow.. So I wasn't the only person dreaming this..

Jigsaw

I've said before, I wish no injury on any player but I despise the bully boy tactics of big clubs and wish Levy had held out and said "f*ck you" to Man U and let Berbatov arse about playing against Leyton Orient in the reserves till January. However, his chief duty is to the Spurs shareholders unfortunately. I would however question the agreement not to report Man U for their aggressive tapping up of Man U. I would love the FA or whoever the relevant body is to come in and dock them a ****load of points.

If contracted players are allowed to behave like this then soccer is dead and we might as well all forget about it.

BERBA

Roll on saturday Dec 13th v Utd at the lane , i bet sulkytov the coward wont even turn up!. Thats the kind of bloke he is. There will be a queue a mile long that day at the lane to greet him...not!

Just wondering lads thinking of having a whip around as well for Robbie keane , coz he cant buy himself a goal at present and i was hopin we might buy one for him!...:D

Hatch99

Yes Berba will get a Campbell-esque reception no doubt.

The bank balance must be healthy at the lane this morning.

Keane 20m
Berba 31m
and 20 odd for Chimbonda Tainio Malbranque and Kaboul,
expect some signings in Jan I would have thought.

RichMc70

I've already heard the same view this morning on Sky News and BBC R5 that Spurs have come out of this window without any "dignity" whatsoever.

The general expression was that 'Well Spurs dropped the charges against Pool because they stumped up £20m for Robbie Keane and now they've done the same again with Man Utd because of £30.75m for Berbatov'.

Are we just a prostitute that will....'drop em' providing the money is right. Seems the case.

ditpoker

i have to say i disagree with the general tone of the thread. Levy said no over and over to liverpool and got some extra euro's for a player they were resigned to losing. We were always going to lose berb and Levy's work has gotten 30m+ instead of 20m+ for a want-away striker. I think its excellent business. after all our signings to still post a profit and get rid of a negative influence on the club, i think the club is in great hands with a manager who has a proven track record. we've just won a cup, we're in europe. i'm excited!!

eiduap

i would have to agree with ditpoker. There was nothing Levy could have done they did not what to stay and he got a much money he could for them. I just feel disappointed we dropped the charges of tapping up Judes Mark II. We had utd where we wanted them.

SuprSi

ditpoker wrote: »

i have to say i disagree with the general tone of the thread. Levy said no over and over to liverpool and got some extra euro's for a player they were resigned to losing. We were always going to lose berb and Levy's work has gotten 30m+ instead of 20m+ for a want-away striker. I think its excellent business. after all our signings to still post a profit and get rid of a negative influence on the club, i think the club is in great hands with a manager who has a proven track record. we've just won a cup, we're in europe. i'm excited!!

I agree with this for the most part. I'm glad Berbatov is gone, really bloody glad - he was such a negative influence on the team. We got a lot of cash for him, and sold him to a team that won't be competing on the same level and for the same prizes as us, as City will be (until their sugar Daddy's start their crazy spending).

The loan signing thing doesn't sound like good business, especially if we don't have the option to buy. If he turns out to be good, Utd place a large price tag on his head. If he's crap, it's a waste of our time and we're still stuck with just two strikers.

I think Levy has done well and although I'm disappointed with us not getting a more proven goalscorer and a holding midfielder, I'm still relatively happy. I can't say that I'm excited though, particularly after our start. I'll hold off being optimistic and excited until I see more performances like the Chelsea game.

RichMc70

ditpoker wrote: »

i have to say i disagree with the general tone of the thread. Levy said no over and over to liverpool and got some extra euro's for a player they were resigned to losing. We were always going to lose berb and Levy's work has gotten 30m+ instead of 20m+ for a want-away striker. I think its excellent business. after all our signings to still post a profit and get rid of a negative influence on the club, i think the club is in great hands with a manager who has a proven track record. we've just won a cup, we're in europe. i'm excited!!

As I said in the op "some will say well business is business" and yes from a shareholders perspective a £50m combined total for just two players is excellent (and especially two players who have made it known they wanted out).

The sentiment I am expressing is that on both occasions we (as in Spurs) have been seen to back down in regard to valid complaints against the two offending clubs.

There is partial redemption for us in the Liverpool case in that they publicly made a donation to the THFC Charity whereas in Utd's case they have got away scott free. The media are once again aplauding Fergies canny skills whilst at the same time questioning Spurs dignity when it comes to money matters.

Surely now, any Spurs player who has a good season then becomes fair game for any of the 'big four' to tap up.

This saga (imo) shows unqestionable proof that we have become merely a feeder club more than ever before and that does not sit well with me.

As one of our fellow posters said in a different thread "Anyone else feeling this way ????".

The Muppet

Levy got the money he wanted and sold , he can thank Man city for that. The charges are obviously bull**** otherwise why would he drop them and agree a deal. If he has passed on a dossier with a years worth of evidence to the FA as stated surely the FA can still act on that if there is wrong doing.

Levy was obviously using the media to get as much money as possible for a player he was always going to sell before the deadline closed for that he deserves credit but his words and actions have also caused a lot of unneccessary anomisity between the two clubs supporters.

therecklessone

The Muppet wrote: »

Levy got the money he wanted and sold , he can thank Man city for that. The charges are obviously bull**** otherwise why would he drop them and agree a deal. If he has passed on a dossier with a years worth of evidence to the FA as stated surely the FA can still act on that if there is wrong doing.

PL not FA.

If Spurs withdraw an allegation then the PL will not continue to pursue the case on it's own.

Spurs withdrew the allegation as a condition of the increased offer from United. That was the major stumbling block the last few days, Man City managed to bump the price up a few £ but the real problem was the tapping-up allegation.

indough

The Muppet wrote: »

The charges are obviously bull**** otherwise why would he drop them and agree a deal.

How do you come to that conclusion? The charges were dropped because it was a condition of the deal, not because the charges were false. Spurs didnt have much choice but to sell to united in the end, what were they going to do, let him rot and lose millions just to save face? Its not as if he had any interest or motivation to play for the club had the deal not gone ahead, he's been like a dark depressing cloud over the head of most yids recently

therecklessone wrote: »

If Spurs withdraw an allegation then the PL will not continue to pursue the case on it's own.

Personally i think the system might be a bit flawed here, once allegations of these types are made at all they should be pursued to conclusion, otherwise we get situations like what occurred today where clubs are able to buy themselves out of investigation...thats just my own opinion though take it or leave it

eZe^

What you did to Sevilla;

ditpoker

as eze says, we're hardly saints ourselves

rocky25

eZe^ wrote: »

What you did to Sevilla;

What Real Madrid will do to manure end of this season regarding Ronaldo.

indough

ditpoker wrote: »

as eze says, we're hardly saints ourselves

yeah but we got a load of flak for it too so why shouldnt we be allowed give some back when the shoe is on the other foot?

The Muppet

indough wrote: »

How do you come to that conclusion? The charges were dropped because it was a condition of the deal, not because the charges were false.

Nobody forced you to accept the Deal . Spurs could have done what United did in the summer with Ronaldo. All that was required was a bit of backbone if you really wanted to keep Berbatov.

indough wrote: »

Spurs didnt have much choice but to sell to united in the end, what were they going to do, let him rot and lose millions just to save face?

They had the same choice United had in the summer . did United lose £70 millions to save face or did they show that they were not prepared to be forced to sell against their wishes.

indough wrote: »

Personally i think the system might be a bit flawed here, once allegations of these types are made at all they should be pursued to conclusion, otherwise we get situations like what occurred today where clubs are able to buy themselves out of investigation...thats just my own opinion though take it or leave it

Nobody baught themselves out of anything. It was all part of the game . Pretending the player was not for sale to push the price up and up and it worked yet again but this time Citys bid forced United to pay more that they wanted to for him. We all knew that Levy would be the first to Blink.

If the PL have been handed the evidence that United have broken their rules they do not need Tottenhams permission to act on United, it's not going to happen though as United have only done the same as all the other clubs do (including tottenham) when trying to buy players, As I said The reporting issue always was bull****.




BTW Ronaldo will be going nowhere next summer unless United want to sell him. Man city showed Real that they are no longer the force they once were. The money is in the Premiership, thats where the best players will be.

therecklessone

The Muppet wrote: »

If the PL have been handed the evidence that United have broken their rules they do not need Tottenhams permission to act on United, it's not going to happen though as United have only done the same as all the other clubs do (including tottenham) when trying to buy players, As I said The reporting issue always was bull****.

They were handed a dossier by Spurs, for the case to continue requires Spurs to maintain their complaint.

Why else do you think the PL did nothing to Chelsea when they blatantly tapped up Frank Arnensen? The PL does not act independantly of the clubs involved, the PL is the clubs ffs. The PL does not want to act of it's own accord on any transfer like this because that would mean taking responsibility for all transfer activity and being forced to scrutinise every transfer deal, which none of the clubs want to have happen for obvious reasons.

ro2

Have to say I don't think this carry on of making a complaint and then getting paid off to drop it should be allowed. You either have an issue or you don't. The complaints should be handled by the FA or UEFA, not by people with a vested interest in the result.

If Man Utd approached Berbatov without permission yesterday then someone should be investigating without the need for a complaint in the first place.

The Muppet

ro2 wrote: »

Have to say I don't think this carry on of making a complaint and then getting paid off to drop it should be allowed. You either have an issue or you don't. The complaints should be handled by the FA or UEFA, not by people with a vested interest in the result.

If Man Utd approached Berbatov without permission yesterday then someone should be investigating without the need for a complaint in the first place.

Spot On. The reason the Pl won't/can't act is because they would have to take the same action against every football club as they all employ the same tactics when buying players. If they wanted to act they could they have the evidence alledgedly.

Look how blatent Real were when trying to get Ronaldo, they even gave a date that he would be signing and yet Fifa said Real did nothing wrong when united reported them.

therecklessone

ro2 wrote: »

If Man Utd approached Berbatov without permission yesterday then someone should be investigating without the need for a complaint in the first place.

There is nothing concrete to suggest that United acted out of turn yesterday, no statement from Spurs during the day to state that they did not have permission to talk to him. The rest was just 24hr news cycle rubbish talk.

therecklessone

The Muppet wrote: »

Spot On. The reason the Pl won't/can't act is because they would have to take the same action against every football club as they all employ the same tactics when buying players.

Some clubs seem to resort to this sort of behaviour far more rapidly than others. Something to do with being "the greatest club in the world" I think.

The Muppet

therecklessone wrote: »

Some clubs seem to resort to this sort of behaviour far more rapidly than others. Something to do with being "the greatest club in the world" I think.

AHHHH Ronan Build a bridge and get over it.


If you would like I could give a few examples of spurs not quite so coshure deals , but that would be off topic and get me in trouble, Right?

therecklessone

The Muppet wrote: »

AHHHH Ronan Build a bridge and get over it.

If you would like I could give a few examples of spurs not quite so coshure deals , but that would be off topic and get me in trouble, Right?

You wouldn't need to, they have been adequately mentioned and discussed on the soccer forum and on this forum. You'd probably mention Ramos from Sevilla, Bostock and Routledge from Palace, Lennon and Rose from Leeds, and the failed bid for Downing from Boro.

Of them all only Ramos and Downing involved any wrongdoing.

Your shower put us in the ha'penny place.

The Muppet

therecklessone wrote: »

You wouldn't need to, they have been adequately mentioned and discussed on the soccer forum and on this forum. You'd probably mention Ramos from Sevilla, Bostock and Routledge from Palace, Lennon and Rose from Leeds, and the failed bid for Downing from Boro.

Of them all only Ramos and Downing involved any wrongdoing.

Your shower put us in the ha'penny place.

Nah we respect our feeder clubs, especially the ones that bring on our young players for us..:)






Thats a joke BTW .

RichMc70

Just to clarify here that my op was mainly a gripe in the way Levy has handled things.

Yes, I do feel there are other issues (e.g. tapping up etc) but my main concern here is that we have (imo) a very weak chairman who basically can not handle pressure or play hard ball. Levy doesnt have the air of a straight talking no bull**** type but more like the sneaky school kid who goes running to his mummy when someone says come on then let's have a fight. Basically he's a coward.

The way he handled the whole affair with BMJ last year was just a taste of things to come.

When you've got people right at the very top of an organisation giving out those vibes then...
what effect will that have on the manager & players?
what signals does it send out to our competitors?
what message does it give to the fans?

I don't want an Abramovich, I don't want a Glazer scenario but just someone who will stand up for the club when it comes down to a fight. Someone with a bit of passion and fire in their belly but with a business brain.

I'd take Sugar back any day.

therecklessone

RichMc70 wrote: »

I'd take Sugar back any day.

:eek:

Christ can't be that bad, can it?

Turned down Bergkamp and Wenger...:rolleyes:

Didn't want anymore Carlos Kickaballs...

RichMc70

therecklessone wrote: »

:eek:

Christ can't be that bad, can it?

Turned down Bergkamp and Wenger...:rolleyes:

Didn't want anymore Carlos Kickaballs...

Seriously I would, the man was a bit naieve when he first came in but he was tough and took no sh1t. Even from that Lovable Cheeky Chappy Rogue 'El Tel Vegeballs'. Sugar was never given a real chance by most fans.

Anyway going off topic again now.

indough

The Muppet wrote: »

Nobody forced you to accept the Deal . Spurs could have done what United did in the summer with Ronaldo. All that was required was a bit of backbone if you really wanted to keep Berbatov.

They had the same choice United had in the summer . did United lose £70 millions to save face or did they show that they were not prepared to be forced to sell against their wishes.

Did Ronaldo refuse to play for United? Anyway United are far more financially secure than Spurs

The Muppet wrote: »

Nobody baught themselves out of anything. It was all part of the game . Pretending the player was not for sale to push the price up and up and it worked yet again but this time Citys bid forced United to pay more that they wanted to for him. We all knew that Levy would be the first to Blink.

Come on now surely you don't really believe this and are just going on the defensive?

The Muppet wrote: »

If the PL have been handed the evidence that United have broken their rules they do not need Tottenhams permission to act on United, it's not going to happen though as United have only done the same as all the other clubs do (including tottenham) when trying to buy players, As I said The reporting issue always was bull****.

This isn't the case at all, as has been said before if Spurs decide not to take it any further then there will be no further action taken...this is where the system is lacking imo

The Muppet

indough wrote: »

Did Ronaldo refuse to play for United? Anyway United are far more financially secure than Spurs

Serious question. Did Berbatov refuse to play for spurs? I read that he wasn't picked because the manager thought he wasn't in the right frame of mind to play.

United more Financially secure? Have you seen the level of United debt.

indough wrote: »

Come on now surely you don't really believe this and are just going on the defensive?

I do genuninely believe it. There may be an elelment of me defending united but I do believe the reporting issue was all part of Levys game plan to get as much money as possible. He was always going to sell, even some of the spurs fans posting hold similar opinion.

indough wrote: »

This isn't the case at all, as has been said before if Spurs decide not to take it any further then there will be no further action taken...this is where the system is lacking imo

If thats the case that's wrong and I agree the system is lacking and should be looked at.

therecklessone

Returning to the original post:

RichMc70 wrote: »

Yep he's bottled it. After all the twoing and throwing our club chairman has buckled and agreed to drop the allegation against manyoo.

Transfer agreed at £30.75m (we had £34m on table from city)
Frazer Campbell on a season loan (a loan deal only)
Agreed to drop tapping up charge against the bullyboy manc scum (cowardly)

I know some will say "well business is business" but after all that has gone on surely it leaves a very bad taste to know what type of weak person we have running the club.

I'm critical of Levy for his handling of this transfer windwo but not for the reasons you are.

Berbatov was always likely to be sold, the two stumbling blocks were our asking price and the tapping-up complaint. Both were issues with the sale of Keane to Liverpool, and both were dealt with satisfactorily in the eyes of the board. In the Berbatov deal, United were believed to be unmovable on their valuation of £25m, while we were holding out for £32m (though I was told at start of window the asking price to an English club would be £35m)

It doesn't matter what Man City had bid, if Berbatov was not prepared to go there then their bid was immaterial. In the end we got much closer to the valuation believed to be held by Spurs, but to do so involved dropping the tapping-up complaint which was always going to happen once we'd agreed a deal. The fact that we didn't call of negotiations which United once we made our complaint meant that we were open to a deal and willing to drop the complaint, plus our willingness to do business with Liverpool suggested the same.

My problem with how this has been conducted is with the transfers in...

We've known since last summer that Berbatov wanted out, we sold Defoe in January and we knew from late May that Keane was wanted by Liverpool, yet we have spent the entire summer haggling with Zenit over a few extra £m for Arshavin, and been linked with a host of forwards such as Eto'o, Milito, Klose, Podolski, Pavlyuchenko, Santa Cruz, Luis Garcia, the south Americans etc etc.

I can't understand why we simply paid the asking price for Modric, yet we've hummed and hawed over signing forward players for what reason? Waiting for the Berbatov deal to be concluded was brainless, we should have identified our targets from day one and pursued them with vigour. We've flipped and flopped all summer long, looking more and more desperate as time wore on, hence the rumours of last minute moves for Heskey and Doyle, and eventually ending up with the prize of Campbell...:(

No disrespect to the lad, but I doubt he was on any list of potential signings at the start of the summer.

Who's to blame? I think Ramos and Comolli were hamstrung by the board's policy towards resale value on potential signings, so we arsed around on the Arshavin deal because of his age, not because of doubts over his ability. I'm going to defend the DOF a bit here, I doubt he didn't have a list of potential replacements to give Ramos, but if the message from on high was to be "buy young, or buy cheap, but don't buy until we've sold the sulky one" then how could he go about his job with any success? Imaging your reaction as an official at another club, Spurs bid for one of your players but ask you to hang on a while so they can do a bit of business elsewhere? Unless it suited your club, then you'd tell them to fcuk off, right?

I don't blame anyone for selling the two players, but I'm very critical of the failure to recruit replacements.

Kold

Not going for Milito and him going to Genoa is a joke.

RichMc70

Going back to the original post of this thread...does this article not lend itself to my point...

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard-sport/article-23550528-details/Berbatov+%27flattered%27+by+Ferguson/article.do
Dimitar Berbatov today admitted being shocked at the extent of Sir Alex Ferguson's personal involvement in his £30.75million transfer to Manchester United.
Berbatov has confirmed the Scot met him at Manchester airport on Monday afternoon - the final day of the transfer window - to take him to the training ground.
Spurs hadn't given United permission to talk to Berbatov at that point and had agreed a £34m fee with Manchester City instead. But, despite threats of reporting United to the Premier League over their conduct, Spurs eventually caved in and agreed a deal with Ferguson's club.
The Bulgarian said: "I am flattered that he (Sir Alex) gave me so much of his time. He personally came to pick me up at the airport. It was a shock to me, but it was a pleasure to get to know him.
"The relations between Manchester United and Tottenham are quite tense, but the important thing is that all ended well."
When asked why he wasn't tempted by a move to Manchester City, he added: "Money is not all important. I was determined to play for Manchester United. I can live on £1,000 as well as £50,000. It makes little difference for me."

Either the London Evening standard are lying or we should expect a 'libel case' in the pipeline. I fancy we won't see any case.

indough

The Muppet wrote: »

Serious question. Did Berbatov refuse to play for spurs? I read that he wasn't picked because the manager thought he wasn't in the right frame of mind to play.

There was talk of him being on strike but i don't think the club were ever going to come out and say he refused to play

i just hope for the sake of genuine united fans (not just glory hunters) that he actually tries to play football at the club rather than stand around and throw his hands in the air any time he doesn't get perfect service of the ball

The Muppet wrote: »

United more Financially secure? Have you seen the level of United debt.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/7377058.stm

The Muppet wrote: »

I do genuninely believe it. There may be an elelment of me defending united but I do believe the reporting issue was all part of Levys game plan to get as much money as possible.

I don't know I think people at the club are genuinely pissed off about what has occurred also I hear that Alan Sugar wrote a pretty flaming article in the Sun today which I doubt he would have done if he suspected it was all part of the game plan

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1640354.ece

i know its the sun but if nothing else it makes for a funny enough read

The Muppet wrote: »

He was always going to sell, even some of the spurs fans posting hold similar opinion.

That doesn't really mean anything, when he learned sulky wanted to move he knew he would more than likely have to sell but that doesn't mean United didn't do wrong

The Muppet wrote: »

If thats the case that's wrong and I agree the system is lacking and should be looked at.

I'm pretty sure it is that way alright, which is a shame for everybody really

The Muppet

We'll probably never know exactly what happened between the Player and Club. I hope he gets his head down and plays football as well, I dont have much time for the prima donnas, one of them at the club is more than enough.

I'll read that article later when I get the time.

The Muppet

David Gill on Berbatov transfer.

Gill also insisted the club stayed “entirely within the rules” during their pursuit of Berbatov.

Tottenham chairman Daniel Levy has called for a change in transfer rules, and initially complained to the Premier League about United’s approach for the player.

Gill however has rejected allegations that United did anything wrong.

He added: “We are very comfortable with how the whole thing went. There were allegations made, we are comfortable that how we approached it was entirely correct and within the rules.

“It came together on Monday and the agent was given permission for the player to come up to Manchester, we arranged the plane for him and Alex met him at the airport.

“It’s true to say when the medical commenced we had not finished all the final negotiations with Spurs but both parties were confident they would be completed to everyone’s satisfaction.

“We are very comfortable we had permission to do what we did and it was clear to Tottenham and Daniel Levy in particular that he knew what we were doing and if that wasn’t the case we wouldn’t have done it.”

http://www.thepost.ie/breakingnews/sport/mhqlgbgbaumh/

So Berbatov did have permission to go to Manchester on Monday and Tottenham and United were negotiating the sale. Not exactly the picture presented by some ITK's and journos last week.

RichMc70

Gill however has rejected allegations that United did anything wrong.

He added: “We are very comfortable with how the whole thing went. There were allegations made, we are comfortable that how we approached it was entirely correct and within the rules.

“It came together on Monday and the agent was given permission for the player to come up to Manchester, we arranged the plane for him and Alex met him at the airport.

“It’s true to say when the medical commenced we had not finished all the final negotiations with Spurs but both parties were confident they would be completed to everyone’s satisfaction.

The agent was given permission for Berbatov to come up to Manchester. Yes, of course he had we had accepted a bid from City for £35m. The key word missing from this statement is UNITED.

So, when the medical commenced they knew they were in breach of rules as final negotiations had not been agreed (e.g. Spurs had not accepted a bid from Utd and had not given them permission to talk to Berbatov).

Just more proof that Levy is a coward that has smaller balls than a squirrel. After reading the comments by Gill, does it not confirm to us how weak and cowardly Levy is. Yeah sure what a great businessman but a ****€r of a man. (imo):mad:

The Muppet

The agent was given permission for Berbatov to come up to Manchester.
Yes, of course he had we had accepted a bid from City for £35m. The
key word missing from this statement is UNITED.

The timeline of events indicate differently. Bebrabtov was already in Manchester with Fergie when City's bid was accepted, thats why they couldn't contact him to discuss terms. United organised the flight , I doubt they would have done that for him to talk to city, berbatove had no interest in signing for City. Theres no way his trip top manchester was to talk to city


.

So, when the medical commenced they knew they were in breach of rules as final negotiations had not been agreed (e.g. Spurs had not accepted a bid from Utd and had not given them permission to talk to Berbatov).

It,s obvious from Gills statement that agreement had been reached verbally it was just a matter of dotting the i's and crossing the t's.

Just more proof that Levy is a coward that has smaller balls than a
squirrel. After reading the comments by Gill, does it not confirm to
us how weak and cowardly Levy is. Yeah sure what a great businessman
but a ****€r of a man. (imo)

I think it's obvious from Gills statememnt That tottenham were in nogotiations with United when It was being reported by the media that no such negotiations were sanctioned or taking place. If Levy was rsponsible for that your description of him would be spot on IMO.

RichMc70

We'll agree to disagree. Me, other spurs fans and the media may have got it all wrong and obviously everything David Gill or manyoo says is true and anyone who disagrees is a heretic who'll burn in hell.

Muppet, your conviction in defending manyoo is admirable however this Board Forum is about Spurs and furthermore this particular Thread is about Daniel Levy.

My original post was expressing a personal opinion that Levy has shown a weak and cowardly character when handling a particular deal.

If you have a constructive opinion on Spurs matters then I would welcome your input otherwise you are just either trying irritate me or bore me into submission.

The Muppet

RichMc70 wrote: »

We'll agree to disagree. Me, other spurs fans and the media may have got it all wrong and obviously everything David Gill or manyoo says is true and anyone who disagrees is a heretic who'll burn in hell.

Obviosuly not, but the same applies to Tottenham and Levy. I wsa just contering some points made in this and other threads. One sided debate is pointless.

RichMc70 wrote: »

Muppet, your conviction in defending manyoo is admirable however this Board Forum is about Spurs and furthermore this particular Thread is about Daniel Levy.

There are lots of references to Man United on this thread and forum. My initial posts were on topic . I didn't take it off topic.

RichMc70 wrote: »

My original post was expressing a personal opinion that Levy has shown a weak and cowardly character when handling a particular deal.

If you have a constructive opinion on Spurs matters then I would welcome your input otherwise you are just either trying irritate me or bore me into submission.

I'm doing neither. You know what they say about opinions constructive or otherwise. I'm just giving mine the fact that it may irritate is irrelelvent, it's sill only my opinion,.

John W

ditpoker wrote: »

i have to say i disagree with the general tone of the thread. Levy said no over and over to liverpool and got some extra euro's for a player they were resigned to losing. We were always going to lose berb and Levy's work has gotten 30m+ instead of 20m+ for a want-away striker. I think its excellent business. after all our signings to still post a profit and get rid of a negative influence on the club, i think the club is in great hands with a manager who has a proven track record. we've just won a cup, we're in europe. i'm excited!!

So why didn't he sell him to City for 34m then? Bottled it agaist Man and Gill thats why!

therecklessone

John W wrote: »

So why didn't he sell him to City for 34m then? Bottled it agaist Man and Gill thats why!

Because Berbatov didn't want to go to Citeh, and despite the nonsense talk of slavery earlier in the year from people who should know better, players still get a say in where they go.