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Deconstructing Conbro

  • 01-09-2008 12:53pm
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭


    Hi guys,
    Ste05 gave me the go ahead to mark my 500th post with a deconstruction. Id appreciate the opinions af anybody thats played regularly with me. Feel free to be as critical as you deem necessary, I'll try to take it on the chin.
    Thanks,
    Conor


Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    stop playing 72os :) (im getting close to 500 too :D spooky )


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,993 ✭✭✭Trippie


    ill expand a little more on what i said the other day to you conor later on


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,071 ✭✭✭Jayminator


    Hi Conor,
    I dont have a huge amount of critical analysis for you but I do believe you have strong understanding of the theory of the game and to me would be a very very abled cash game player. ( I think tourny's bore you )
    I have not played a huge amount of Omaha with you which I believe is your game of choice so I cant really comment there.

    With regard to PLHE or NLHE I believe you might need to loosen up a bit on these games pre flop, particularly the PLHE (Although I aint seen you play a huge amount of PL either. Its been mostly NL). Dont think I ve seen you get out of line too much and you seem to have adopted a much steadier approach to Hold em of late.

    I am not actively encouraging bluffing or squeezing here etc but I aint seen you do a huge amount of either. What I have noticed in your game is an avoidance of playing pots with looser players whom you might have a regard for their poker game and believe them to be competent players. I ve noticed you folding pre flop very often to a number of LAG pre flop raisers when maybe you should be trying to sometimes play back at bit more at these type of players.

    The above paragraph obviously relates to either you not playing back enough or indeed picking your spots at the table better the latter probably being the more profitable for you. I have noticed that you do play position in Ohmaha quite well with weaker players at the table. I myself have been a victim of yours in this situation as I dont think my Ohmaha game is up to much so basically you picked on me in 3 pots recently if I can remember correctly.

    Overall I would suggest a bit more aggression pre flop in HL and regard you as a very very competent player who might need to loosen up a bit.

    Cheers

    Jay


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Been thinking hard about this one Conor.

    1. You are too tight in hold em, particularly from the button and CO. That said it is your style and it works in live poker but it is exploitable by the better players. I cannot speak to your online game.

    2. As a result of your tight play you rarely get it in bad. When you get sucked out on you seem to take the hit harder than most people and tilt worse, albeit I rarely see you tilt for very long.

    3. I respect your Omaha game more than anyone else I play with regularly, I don't think anything I say about it is going to be useful.

    Good luck with the rest of the well. Hope this is useful although I would imagine this will be more or less the same as what most people will say.


    EDIT: I agree with everything Jbravado said tbh. Glad I got it in first...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,438 ✭✭✭jbravado


    Heya Conor,

    I dont feel very comfartable critiquing your game as to be honest I feel it way ahead of my own.

    These things usually turn into a love fest and anyone who plays live a lot generally has some moron telling them WOW how good they are but saying that I think you are by far the best mixed player in Dublin who doesnt play the big game.

    A very very good player once said to me he felt you had a "soft belly" when it came to running a bluff or calling down with a marginal hand. Ive only really played holdem with you but I think there is some merit to his comment. You rarely show up without a strong hand and while this OBVIOUSLY isnt a negative point I think maybe you give players that you play with regularly a little too much credit some times. Personally, I feel you play a little tight in positon especially when deep against people you are much better than. You can afford to put yourself in tricky spots sometimes.

    I havent seen you get sick in a while and your temperment is a mile better than most who play so much. I guess finally giving the computer pokes a real chance has made this an absolute nesecity.

    You have a nasty streak when losing which can hurt a game but overall are good at manipulating a table to your advantage.
    I think you should certainly play the big buying tournaments as the value is huge and Ive heard some reletively accomplished toury monkeys only have good things about your game.

    I like my typical exchange with you-"Any good Conor?"-
    "Nah-doing my brains." Im convinced you could have scooped the euromillions and still have the same answer-LOL "Nah no good"

    I think your really trying to get your game to the next level and I genuinly hope you do.

    Anyway all the best.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,441 ✭✭✭Killme00


    Hola Muchacha,

    At last someone i have put in one or two hours against.

    - When the round of each decends into the all PLO 1-1-3-10 sickness, you are by far the most composed player at the table.
    - You also seem to handle the tiredness of long sessions better than most other players at the table.
    - I like how you play the game, you decisions are based on pots odds, implied odds, hand strength vs villian and your post flop position. However, i dont think you semi-bluff enough against weaker villains. You need to loosen up closer to the button in PLO. Its obvious to anyone at the table that you play far less hands than anyone else at the table, if you loosened up in some small pots, i think this would give you an advantage in the bigger pots (in terms of getting paid) when they arise. Sometimes losing a small battle can help you win the war.
    - I can see some people have said that you need to loosen up in HE. I dont agree, this is live cash afterall and villians are just dying to pay you off, so keep playing to your strengths (patience, stamina, position, ability to judge pot and implied odds). I know this is different to what i said about the PLO but its just to me that you arent are obviously tight in HE as you are in PLO.

    One other thing, have you ever heard the expression that in times of pure agony your face resembles that of pure joy, its more to do with Weightlifting face = Sex face, but it does bring you to my final point you make a face when you have the nuts and your villian is agonising over his decision.

    poker%20face.jpg

    You are a pleasure to play with, even when you are cranky.
    Tom


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,454 ✭✭✭hf4z6sqo7vjngi


    Think i have only played once/twice with you. Based on that and the advice you post in particular in the PLO section you have an excellent understanding of the game.
    Funnily enough although i probably only have 2/3 hours live table time with you i did find you to play very tight and this could be exploited by competent LAGs, obv guys in earlier posts have more table time and therfor more qualified to critique your game but thats my view.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,881 ✭✭✭bohsman


    jbravado wrote: »
    You have a nasty streak when losing which can hurt a game

    Very good point, be nice to the fish, even if theyre stacking you, a good atmosphere will get people sticking around longer.

    I think you sometimes play holdem while in omaha mode which makes you a bit tighter against lags as already mentioned.

    I only have 180 hands on you in omaha on pokertracker so not much to be taken from them other than that you seem to be more likely to raise preflop in a 1/2euro game than a 2/4 dollar game. Aggression factor is very low, in the 2/4 game you never bet the turn or river but it is a small sample size.

    90 hands at $2/4
    51/9/.88
    90 hands at €1/2
    56/18/1.5

    Heres a hand I mentioned to you in the jackpot a while back

    - partybilen sitting in seat 1 with $473.58 [Dealer]
    - lckyf1sh sitting in seat 2 with $62.00
    - motii sitting in seat 3 with $307.36
    - conbro sitting in seat 4 with $287.40
    - katsumoto99 sitting in seat 5 with $305.80
    - Lunte sitting in seat 6 with $179.22

    lckyf1sh posted the small blind - $2.00
    motii posted the big blind - $4.00
    conbro posted to play - $2.00
    ** Dealing card to lckyf1sh: 8d, Ac, Ad, Jh
    conbro called - $4.00
    katsumoto99 folded
    Lunte folded
    partybilen raised - $18.00
    lckyf1sh raised - $62.00
    motii folded
    conbro called - $62.00
    partybilen called - $62.00

    ** Dealing the flop: Qh, Kc, As
    lckyf1sh went all-in - $2.00
    conbro called - $2.00
    partybilen called - $2.00

    ** Dealing the turn: 10c
    conbro checked
    partybilen bet - $62.00
    conbro called - $62.00

    ** Dealing the river: 8s
    conbro checked
    partybilen bet - $88.00
    conbro folded
    partybilen shows: Jc, Jd, Qc, 7c
    lckyf1sh shows: 8d, Ac, Ad, Jh
    partybilen wins $96.50 from the main pot
    partybilen wins $124.00 from side pot 1
    lckyf1sh wins $96.50 from the main pot


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    ^^^^^^^^^ Conor obv had the bare Kings and got lucky the board didn't pair.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,881 ✭✭✭bohsman


    ^^^^^^^^^ Conor obv had the bare Kings and got lucky the board didn't pair.

    Unlucky you mean.


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    bohsman wrote: »
    Unlucky you mean.

    I didn't see stack sizes, my bad.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 168 ✭✭themilkyone


    90 hands at $2/4
    51/9/.88
    90 hands at €1/2
    56/18/1.5

    Heres a hand I mentioned to you in the jackpot a while back

    - partybilen sitting in seat 1 with $473.58 [Dealer]
    - lckyf1sh sitting in seat 2 with $62.00
    - motii sitting in seat 3 with $307.36
    - conbro sitting in seat 4 with $287.40
    - katsumoto99 sitting in seat 5 with $305.80
    - Lunte sitting in seat 6 with $179.22



    When the hell was i playin $2/4 plo with you and conor??

    anywho,Conor i think your a VERY aggresive omaha player but only in the lower games like 25/50 and 50/1...i've played several hours with you on Gutshot an came to the conclusion that your relentlessly aggressive despite holding a big bag of poo.PLH needs a bit of tweaking but then again i dont think its your game..especially not tounries!!

    Best o luck


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 955 ✭✭✭sickpuppy


    Hi Connor played a fair bit with you over the last 5 years both holdem and omaha.
    I think in omaha while you are never any value at the table i wouldnt be afraid of you either you have good hand reading abilities and are well able to lay down a big hand.
    b ut a player playing as long as yourself should be cruising at higher levels on the internet preferably better game selection bigger games.
    You used have aweakness for the blackjack which of course is a bankroll buster hope u have knocked it on the head.
    One night lately at the jackpot you were very nasty at the table aginest yer man iffy? chinese fella no need doesent do anyone any good.
    The only person i absue at the table is chi in the fitz but hes a slimey dog.
    I dunno if you have an exercise routine it would be evry helpful ive been playing rugby and the gym last month and it has helped my concentration a lot and i feel better and more enthused to play.
    Ive only played holdem with u afew times in the jackpot when im usually half asleep but playing tight there probably easiest and most profitable way to make money.
    In summary loosen up a bit stay away from the gaming tables be nice work harder on your online game and move up levels good luck.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 66 ✭✭William Money


    Hi Conor,
    The only area of your PLO game that needs attention IMO is your aggression
    levels in certain situations.

    I heard you make a comment recently about a player "hes a good player im never comfortable with him having position on me"

    Obv you could move seat to get better position OR... you could play back at these types of players that make you uncomfortable. You need to develop
    your arsenal a bit more to deal with these situations. It can be very profitable to have a lag with position on you if you handle it correctly.

    Of course once they adjust to your new aggression levels and plays you have to change again! He who adjusts best wins.

    Other that that you have a very good solid thinking game and Im sure you are making a decent profit but I believe you could make more money live if you opened your game up a bit against certain types of players.

    PS. Plug all leaks - treat your bankroll like company funds ..any money on roulette etc is just a waste of company resources. That 200 you gamle on BJ
    getting odds of 45/55 could have gotten a caller in the PLO game with you as a 70/30 favourite.


    Anyway thats my 2c. Hope you get what you need from this and best of luck.


  • Subscribers Posts: 32,859 ✭✭✭✭5starpool


    Meant to reply to this earlier.

    I may well be way off on this but I think you play relatively similar to me live with a similar weakness for laying down decent hands too often in the face of aggression. I haven't noticed any big holes in your game and considering that I have a crapload to do with my own game it makes it harder to spot the smaller holes. The main thing is that as others have hinted you can be seen as relatively straightforward to play against at times due your relative consistency in hand selection etc. Well, for me at least, but then again I play differently against you and similar than I do against some others.

    Also, Ronan, that bankroll thing you mention should apply to you too :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,771 ✭✭✭TommyGunne


    Conor,

    Haven't played with you that much in a long time, but I definitely felt you had too tight a range for going to SD. You gotta believe in the retardation and spewiness of most people!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,210 ✭✭✭Lurker1977


    TommyGunne wrote: »
    You gotta believe in the retardation and spewiness of most people!

    Quality sig!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,993 ✭✭✭Trippie


    i was going to post my reply but i rambled a bit too much and didnt think keith would appreciate beng called a donkey in public so i sent it to your email conor.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 571 ✭✭✭smoothcall


    hey conor, i always thought you were one of the best live players around altough i never was worried you were at my table. Mainly because of your style really, you are tight and very solid . This certainly isnt a bad thing live but as ive gathered your moving more online. As you know this wont work online above 12plo , youll have to open up your game and your range Massively especially in cut off and button. I notice in the plo forum your often saying i wouldnt play this pre flop while im thinking defo play this or defo raise it up.

    Altough all your thought processes after the flop seem very solid and you think through hands very well , so theres no reason you cant hack up online once you adjust from live.

    Cant really comment on your holdem , seemed solid whenever i played with ya.

    So best of luck and ill see ya about,

    oh and as you know stay away from the Blackjack etc


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 290 ✭✭mickste


    I agree with what chubbs said. Also when you are uncomfortable you sometimes visibly display this and vice versa when you are strong. not that visible but noticeable the more I have played with you. You need to remind yourself from time to time in tournaments to not play them like cash games which you do sometimes.all your strong points have already been pointed out. gl online . dont concentrate just on plo though. your nl game is solid and although boring can be profitable when the variance is kicking in the plo games. see you soon mate.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 909 ✭✭✭AKQJ10


    Sup Conor,

    had no time to to this yet, always found you to be one of the most genuine guys on the live scene and never talked **** or took any **** from ppl, keep that up, always knew when i was starting off that if i messed around or acted the twat you'd put me in my place.

    Your hold em got alot better in the last year once the omaha died down a bit in the jackpot, your not too passive anymore from what ive seen. one thing is preflop i think you could 3bet more in position and take control of the hands more. Few times in the past you'll flat call pre wit AK/AQ JJ etc and il just assume you have an average hand, il bet flop you'll call after a while sometimes with a look as if to say pls dont fire all three streets here. You make certain turn and river decisions harder for yourself as you've under repped your hand but not like your trapping rather just trying to get to cheap showdown. You need to get max value out of the hands against the supposed "better players" as they will generally be the guys with the bigger stacks. I think you should also make an effort to play a few bigger tourneys this year as your tourney game is quite good, i remember the 6 handed table with me, you, eoin olin, muldoon where you impressede me at an aggressive table that you took full advantage of a few times.

    Caant comment on the plo as you've taught me most of it, can't comment on the house games as ive done the tank on it myself, id just say make sure you dont play unless you can afford it. Gl


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Hectorjelly


    Why bother trying to play good poker if you are going to end up playing house games? I'd much rather give the money to charity.

    Have we played together Conbro? I'm sure we must have but I don't know your face.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭Conbro


    Why bother trying to play good poker if you are going to end up playing house games? I'd much rather give the money to charity.

    Do you really expect me to retort with an answer that tries to justify playing blackjack and roulette?
    Have we played together Conbro? I'm sure we must have but I don't know your face.

    I don't think so. The only time I saw you play live was when another boardsie pointed you out to me at the Drogheda Deepstack Festivel


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Hectorjelly


    I'm not trying to get you to retort anything; this thread is supposed to be about giving you advice on how to play poker better. I have no idea (obviously) how much time or money you spend on house games, but if its anything significent stopping playing them would have a far greater impact on the money you will make in the long run than following any other well meaning advice in the thread. If you are going to make such a groteseque mistake as to play house games then I don't see how you are going to able to be disciplined to make the right move constantly at the poker table. One of the things most people don't get about poker is that your results depend on doing the right thing, most of the time (by most I mean doing what you think is right all the time, but you cant help but make mistakes sometimes). Its not about single hands, but what you do over the course of tens of thousands of hands. (This is something that live players in paticular have a problem grasping when they try and differ widely from standard play based on irrelevant information (witness nicky ods recent AK post)). I hate to sound like tommy angelo but poker is a long game that doesn't stop as soon as you sit up from the table.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Hectorjelly


    Sorry didn't mean to derail the thread with a rant


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭Conbro


    It would only get derailed if I entertained you by responding to your groundless outburst, which I've just gone on and done.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Hectorjelly


    You don't seem to be taking on the chin. If it is groundless and there is no problem then all you have to do is say that and not get your back up.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,538 ✭✭✭Requiem4adream


    Dont see why you are getting tetchy with HJ , he's doing you a (big) favour there.

    As a general point, i've said it before as a suggestion but i really think it should be a minimum requirement, these threads are absolutely POINTLESS unless accompanied by full name and photo in the OP. Otherwise you are just going to get friends/people who know you giving their 2 cents,if that's all you want then ask them privately tbh.

    At least if you put name+photo in every 1 of these threads, you'll get "ahhhh him/her" and get a lot more responses. People might only have played a limited amount of hands with you but every opinion might help. I dont see the point of these threads as they stand.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 152 ✭✭R__J


    will reply later conor.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭Conbro


    Dont see why you are getting tetchy with HJ , he's doing you a (big) favour there.

    Im not getting tetchy just stateing the obvious. How is he doing me a favour? He ponted out something that was already well versed on this thread. Furthermore I asked for opinions from people that had played with me regularly, as they are the only ones that can truly gauge my strengths and weaknesses. Its been well established that Hector doesnt fill this criteria, nor do you.

    these threads are absolutely POINTLESS unless accompanied by full name and photo in the OP.

    lol Ive been playing live regularly in Dublin for the last 5/6 years. I doubt if theres too many Dublin posters that don't recognise me. As I said above, the people I want to offer criticism are those that are farmiliar with my game. I really dont want the opinions of someone who has only played 1 cash game session or tournament with me as they clearly don't have enough information to offer a balaned viewpoint. If you want to take this conversation any further I would prefer if you did it by pm as yourself an HJ have derailed this thread enough.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Hectorjelly


    Thats a silly argument, you don't need to play poker a lot with someone to know whether playing house games is a good idea or not. And I don't call two sentences about house games well versed. The well is supposed to be about confronting your biggest weaknesses, not ignoring it and getting annoyed when someone brings something up. I usually never post in these threads when I dont know the player, but based on how coherent and thoughtful your posts are I was surprised to hear about bj etc.

    When I did my version of this thread it really helped my process of learning to deal with Tilt. I was already fully aware I had a problem but having Dathio, Ocallagh and others rip me to shreds for it made it something I was actively embarrassed about, which helped me in the long run.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,088 ✭✭✭rag2gar


    Conor, I have been thinking for the last 20 mins about something constructive to add to your thread but have failed to come up with anything that hasnt been covered. Also I find it most difficult to critique live players games. I cant see how me saying something like "you should play more aggressive" will improve your game or help you in any way. I would be much more comfortable commenting on (for example) your poker tracker stats and using them for analysis rather than making a sweeping analysis statement based on the circa half dozen hands that we were both in, that went to showdown, that I can remember.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,538 ✭✭✭Requiem4adream


    Conbro wrote: »
    Im not getting tetchy just stateing the obvious. How is he doing me a favour? He ponted out something that was already well versed on this thread. Furthermore I asked for opinions from people that had played with me regularly, as they are the only ones that can truly gauge my strengths and weaknesses. Its been well established that Hector doesnt fill this criteria, nor do you.




    lol Ive been playing live regularly in Dublin for the last 5/6 years. I doubt if theres too many Dublin posters that don't recognise me. As I said above, the people I want to offer criticism are those that are farmiliar wit my game. I really dont want the opinions of someone who has only played 1 cash game session or tournament with me as they clearly don't have enough information to offer a balaned viewpoint. If you want to take this converation any further I would prefer if you did it by pm as yourself an HJ have derailed this thread enough.

    Sorry but quite frankly nobody deserves one of these Deconstructing Threads if it is going to be limited to people who personally know them and their Boards alias. Name+photo in OP and take every praise & criticism that comes your way. You can weigh the opinions any way you want but if you want to deny the majority of the forum some input then i don't think you should have a thread. Same applies to anyone else.

    If you want opinions off your friends or people you've played like 4000 hands+ with then PM them, no need for a thread. If you have been playing regularly live for 5/6 years i'm sure there are plenty of Boardsies who will have played with you without knowing your Boards alias (which i might add is less than a year old).

    Anyway carry on, /end. The Ignore Poster option is there somewhere if you dont like posts.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭Conbro


    Thats a silly argument, you don't need to play poker a lot with someone to know whether playing house games is a good idea or not. And I don't call two sentences about house games well versed. I usually never post in these threads when I dont know the player, but based on how coherent and thoughtful your posts are I was surprised to hear about bj etc.

    My arguement was'nt that someone like yourself is'nt qualified to comment on the demerits of playing blackjack and other house games. Of course you are. What bothered me was the fact that the only contribution you could make in the thread was a rhetorical question about an issue that had aready been mentioned several times. Put yourself in my position, a guy that you have never played with and with no information on your game comes onto your deconstruction thread and makes a comment like you made in your first post. Swith the roles and tell me you'ld see my comment as constructive. It also encourages the more socially depraved members of the boards community' withut any other outlet for their anger,[ eg R4AD] to jump in and spleen their anger, ultimately leading to the total derailment of the thread.
    The well is supposed to be about confronting your biggest weaknesses, not ignoring it and getting annoyed when someone brings something up.

    I appreciate this and have encouraged posters to be as critical as possible. As I explained it was the manner in which you expressed your views rather than the raising of the issue itself that bothered me.
    When I did my version of this thread it really helped my process of learning to deal with Tilt. I was already fully aware I had a problem but having Dathio, Ocallagh and others rip me to shreds for it made it something I was actively embarrassed about, which helped me in the long run.

    Pretty sound logic, I certainly wouldnt argue with you on this matter. However just as you found it easier to take on board criticism from Dave and Niall, so I too find l lend more weight to the opinions of posters that are more familiar with my play. This is not to dismiss or even diminish your opinions on the game as I find your ananlysis in the theory section very insightful and helpful to my game. However I do think its much more appropriate for people who have played regularly with me to give a fairer critique of aspects directly related to my game. And yes I do understand that you dont need to know me personally or have played with me to tell me its stupid to punt on house games but I dont think its fair to comment on one weakness when you dont know anything else about me. You do make a good point about active emabarassment helipng you to overcome tilt issues and I appreciate you lending your thoughts on this matter. Its probably something that struck me too with so many people commenting on me playing house games during this thread. Anyway thats all I have to say for now
    Best of luck,
    Conor


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭Conbro


    The Ignore Poster option is there somewhere if you dont like posts.

    By far the most constructive advice you have lent to anyone in this, or any other thread in the poker forum


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,538 ✭✭✭Requiem4adream


    Conbro wrote: »
    By far the most constructive advice you have lent to anyone in this, or any other thread in the poker forum

    For someone who seems to pride themselves on logical thinking have you any idea how silly you sound right now? I dont think you do (at all).

    You ask for a Deconstruction after 500 posts when the norm is 1000 posts. No bother....
    lol Ive been playing live regularly in Dublin for the last 5/6 years. I doubt if theres too many Dublin posters that don't recognise me. As I said above, the people I want to offer criticism are those that are farmiliar with my game

    Tell me this - let's say i'm a casual player and i wander into the Fitz/S.E. maybe 10-12 times a year to play for the night. Run into you maybe 3 or 4 times and play a session. How many hands is that, let's say 150 hands x 4 = 600 hands. Do this over 5/6 years where you play so regularly and amazingly that might be 3000/4000 hands i've played with you. If by chance i run into you more/less that might be anything from 1000-7000 hands from just playing casually. Do i qualify as being familiar with your game?

    Again, and not unlike most of your friends on here, you cant understand a reasonable and fair point if a) you dont like it and b) it comes from me. All you can muster in response is some rambling abuse.

    Deconstructing WHObro should be the thread title. Is it really so difficult to give your name and photo in the OP so you can get true deconstruction of your game? All you seem to want is your friends to give you their 2 cents, i've zero problem with it but it doesnt warrant a thread.

    Ste always says 1 of the main requirements for a deconstruction thread is a thick skin, so you can take criticism & praise and use them to improve your game. You dont have it. HJ gives some good advice (in earnest) about house games, which 3 different people have mentioned as a leak in your game, and you get tetchy and embarrassed instead of a simple 'you're right'; then i try help you* and you throw personal abuse out. *The more feedback you get for this type of thread the better, restricting a deconstruction to friends is so illogical it's untrue. There's probably a lot to be learned from others and even if there isn't there's no harm in opening it up to them. You never know - 1 "casual" player might have spotted something in your game that you might not have thought of.

    Are you Batman on weekends or on the FBI's Most Wanted List or what's your problem with it?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 152 ✭✭R__J




    Tell me this - let's say i'm a casual player and i wander into the Fitz/S.E. maybe 10-12 times a year to play for the night. Run into you maybe 3 or 4 times and play a session. How many hands is that, let's say 150 hands x 4 = 600 hands. Do this over 5/6 years where you play so regularly and amazingly that might be 3000/4000 hands i've played with you. If by chance i run into you more/less that might be anything from 1000-7000 hands from just playing casually.

    Impressive calculations. lol at how much of a loser you are.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,088 ✭✭✭rag2gar


    Any takers for a game of craps?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,538 ✭✭✭Requiem4adream


    R__J wrote: »
    Impressive calculations. lol at how much of a loser you are.

    Meh did i upset your friend?

    Name+Photo in OP, simple. Otherwise stick to PM. It's actually really simple, logical and constructive advice!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 571 ✭✭✭smoothcall


    If you play any ammount live in dublin or are any use youd know who conor is. Hes got replys from most of the people he had in mind when he started the thread ( im assuming this) so id say the photo etc wasnt neccesary. But in general its not a bad idea i suppose. But you do have an uncanny tallent at putting your point across like a tool


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,538 ✭✭✭Requiem4adream


    smoothcall wrote: »
    If you play any ammount live in dublin or are any use youd know who conor is. Hes got replys from most of the people he had in mind when he started the thread ( im assuming this) so id say the photo etc wasnt neccesary. But in general its not a bad idea i suppose. But you do have an uncanny tallent at putting your point across like a tool

    You just exactly proved my point, cheers. If all he wanted is replies from certain people then PM them; If he wants a proper Deconstruction of his game then give his full name and what he looks like so people can throw in their 2 cents. If he just wants a few back-slaps from his friends i'm sure you can do that off boards.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 571 ✭✭✭smoothcall


    Well when its all written down in public and people can see what others are saying it makes it easier. And of course people who he didnt think of can come along and say there piece.

    apologies for "derailing " the thread conor . god i never thought id say that


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,538 ✭✭✭Requiem4adream


    R__J wrote: »
    Impressive calculations. lol at how much of a loser you are.

    I'll go over/under 10 on naming who thanks this post!!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,538 ✭✭✭Requiem4adream


    smoothcall wrote: »
    Well when its all written down in public and people can see what others are saying it makes it easier. And of course people who he didnt think of can come along and say there piece.

    apologies for "derailing " the thread conor . god i never thought id say that

    Yeah but it's not a deconstruction. If he's a dublin regular and plays as much as he infers, there are gonna be tons of people with opinions on his game. Refusing to hear them is either stupidity or poker snobbery, probably both.

    I generally dont reply to these threads for the very reason i never know who it is being deconstructed. I cant think of 1 good reason why anyone would ask for a deconstruction and not tell anybody who they are.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,088 ✭✭✭rag2gar


    Shall we set a time and place for this backslap meet up please


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭Conbro


    have you any idea how silly you sound right now? I dont think you do (at all).

    Surely nowhere near as stupid as you looked when your camaign to tap up random strangers for large sums of money was exposed.

    Tell me this - let's say i'm a casual player and i wander into the Fitz/S.E. maybe 10-12 times a year to play for the night. Run into you maybe 3 or 4 times and play a session. How many hands is that, let's say 150 hands x 4 = 600 hands. Do this over 5/6 years where you play so regularly and amazingly that might be 3000/4000 hands i've played with you. If by chance i run into you more/less that might be anything from 1000-7000 hands from just playing casually. Do i qualify as being familiar with your game?


    wtf If someone had put in that many hours with me I would expect them to at least know my name and be able to remember it. From there any person of close to average intelligence can then match my name to my boards alias[ no its not very creative Conor Broomfield] Without the basic intelligence required to observe, remember and comrehend, Im not too concerned about your opinions on my game

    Again, and not unlike most of your friends on here, you cant understand a reasonable and fair point if a) you dont like it and b) it comes from me. All you can muster in response is some rambling abuse.

    Fair point. You've made yourself the subject of such ridicule and wanton derision at this stage that you can't really be taken seriously on any matter, irrespecive of its validity or merit
    restricting a deconstruction to friends is so illogical it's untrue


    When did I say I was restricting this thread to friends? I asked for people who had played with me regularly over the last few years, by that I mean anybody who has played 5/6 sessions plus. If you really feel left out Ill have my PA send you an invitation next time


  • Subscribers Posts: 32,859 ✭✭✭✭5starpool


    R__J banned for a few days, smoothcall infracted. This thread degenerated rather quickly and needlessly. If you don't agree with something no need to be so caustic in replies. If this carries on in other threads then I'm sure some others will be banned for a bit too.

    Thread locked as I'm sure it has served it's purpose.


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