Police State UK

landan

http://www.communitycare.co.uk/Articles/2008/08/28/109198/nightime-youth-curfew-shows-signs-of-success.html

Looks like the police state, known as the United Kingdom is starting to tighten the net. All to look after the needs of the wee man of course.

No doubt all the good guys think this is a great idea.

MooseJam

link FAIL !

Latchy

It would be funny if it were not true but that is how it's going .I really do think it all about taking as much civil liberties and rights from the common man as possible .I idea of following sombody who has thrown litter and asking them for their address is weird although i suppose if you dont throw litter ,fag ends, etc on the ground you have nothing to worry about ( that's me safe so ) the official who approachs you might have a problem if your a nutter ( me safe again ) One young girl who dropped a crisp packet was recently chased by one of these ' new labour ' militia .who hassled her for her name an address .The poor girl thought she was being chased by a rapist .She then found much to her embarressent , that her name address and photo appeared in the local paper .The Police themselfs are not happy that civilians are going to be doing their job ,even allowing that they spend more time on paperwork than out on the beat.The idea that joe ( brain dead ) soap (who had his application to join the police thrown into the bin ) now has this power is both laughable and frightening.Britain is fast becoming a country that is known now for not so much what you can do in an average 24hr period ,but more what you cannot .

ytareh

Jeez its so easy to come down one way or another on this one !Yes it seems like a horrific infringement on human rights.Yes if my home was being pelted nightly with eggs (or petrol bombs) at 4 am by the local 'yutes' I would think it was a GREAT idea ...I can understand both sides of the argument ...Practically unenforceable anyway?

Im not sure its as sinister a 'police state' issue as the OP suggests ...probably more a response to halp those with second viewpoint .
The more I think about this the more sympathetic I am to the 'pro' camp .Sure there are those that suggest that it would be a case of the well behaved majority suffering for the misdeeds of a 'tiny' minority...You try explain that to some individual or community that is under siege by dozens (if not hundreds-ok so thats less likely but Im sure 'gangs of around 100 are not unknown)of teens (and younger)

I suppose it would depend on the area ...probably not an issue in 'quiet' communities...

Man I must be getting old !?(37?)

landan

latchyco wrote: »

.The idea that joe ( brain dead ) soap (who had his application to join the police thrown into the bin ) now has this power is both laughable and frightening

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1049520/Jacqui-Smiths-Stasi-Now-council-posts-Wanted-pictures-litterbugs-keeps-file.html

landan

ytareh wrote: »

The more I think about this the more sympathetic I am to the 'pro' camp

Man never gives up his rights but under some delusion.

Latchy

landan wrote: »

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1049520/Jacqui-Smiths-Stasi-Now-council-posts-Wanted-pictures-litterbugs-keeps-file.html

Yes indeed, i also read that article to .

ytareh

No that IS a 'dispropotionate response'!!!The Mail does tend to present the facts in a certain light however (Its a strongly Conservative paper -very anti Labour)Pity the powers that be over there (and here ) dont take as strong an interest in serious crime .

landan

ytareh wrote: »

)Pity the powers that be over there (and here ) dont take as strong an interest in serious crime .

You can't enforce a police state without crime, why do you think a few knife attacks in London (landan) get so much coverage. Just another reason to violate basic human rights. Are you aware that in Liverpool a permanent police presence, along with metal detectors is present at all bus/train stations.

ytareh

Yeah landan you could be right but do you come from an area that suffers from anti social behaviour or have you ever suffered from it ?This MIGHT help but as I said its probably unenforceable anyway ...I REALLY dont see it as a police state conspiracy...Now ID cards /airport security/biometric passports etc etc that perhaps ...but not getting teen yobs off the streets ....Even in the article it stated that its not about catching kids coming home from the cinema after midnight .
Whether ya like it or not 'older people' (non teens !) find groups of kids hanging round very intimidating and as often as not (Im saying 50/50 here-maybe a bit less being realistic -I did the whole 'hanging out' thing myself as a teen' -I work with teens ) with good reason ...Whether its sniggers /remarks or worse,its at best unsettling having to 'pass through/by' a group of kids -and of course for better or worse much more so if there are lads involved.
Im sure this has been debated ad nauseum here before...

Call Me Jimmy

Well voluntary curfew... the parents all want it, does that make a difference in your opinion, guys? A kid can stay out as late as he/she likes if the parents don't mind.

RichMc70

I think unless you have actually lived in such areas it's hard to understand.

I lived in London for some time (fortunately not in one of the worse parts) but there are many areas of the city that really do become 'no go' for 'normal' people after dark. Nearly everyone I know from London has been the victim of street crime at some stage or another.

I honestly can't think of anywhere here that can compare. Thank god.

Therickmachine

RichMc70 wrote: »

I think unless you have actually lived in such areas it's hard to understand.

I lived in London for some time (fortunately not in one of the worse parts) but there are many areas of the city that really do become 'no go' for 'normal' people after dark. Nearly everyone I know from London has been the victim of street crime at some stage or another.

I honestly can't think of anywhere here that can compare. Thank god.

+1

I ve got a friend that lives in Leicester and I really feel sooo sorry for her. The amount of crime and attacks in her area is unreal. They want to leave yet strangely enough their house is not selling.

I think its easy to say oh police state, how terrible! BUT if you don t live in one of these areas, you don t know what its like. I only visited once and I was petrified. I couldn t live like that!

I am from dublin and I think Jobstown was as scary as it got for me in Ireland, and TBH it has improved alot since I visited. Didn t have a patch on Bradford or Leicester though! Then again it was more racial tension I was feeling there as a white person. I felt I stood out a mile and it was tense.

ejmaztec

The masses are just going to get more and more pis5ed off and vote in the BNP - then there's going to be a proper police state. :eek:

Latchy

landan wrote: »

You can't enforce a police state without crime, why do you think a few knife attacks in London (landan) get so much coverage. Just another reason to violate basic human rights. Are you aware that in Liverpool a permanent police presence, along with metal detectors is present at all bus/train stations.

Merseyside police have also recently introduced a mobile anti social unit who's main task is to deal with persistant anti social individuals and familys .

I would class 20 odd stabbings in london in so many months as a few to many ,although these terrible events seem to come around in cycles .Perhaps as has being suggested by some, an immediate 3 year jail sentence for anybody caught in possession of a knife might mimumise the risks of further stabbings

ejmaztec wrote: »

The masses are just going to get more and more pis5ed off and vote in the BNP - then there's going to be a proper police state. :eek:

But people have being saying that for generations and like how bad does it have to get for change 'good or bad' to happen ? .People seem to yearn for more change when times are bad such as recession

Run_to_da_hills

Police State Ireland. .... People in this country cannot see the forrest through the trees, ..120 Westlink Toll bridge jobs made redundant last night as all this work is now over to "Big Brother".

ejmaztec

latchyco wrote: »

But people have being saying that for generations and like how bad does it have to get for change 'good or bad' to happen ? .People seem to yearn for more change when times are bad such as recession

I think that the chances of it happening get closer as time passes by. Even before the recession, people in the UK were getting increasingly riled by the existence of the so-called "Nanny-State" and anything else being pushed forward by the Labour Party. In the good old days, the Tory Party was an alternative, but now there seems to be very little difference between the two of them.

I think that the drinking classes have had enough of sharing-caring politics, ultra-political correctness and immigration. I think that the neo-nazis will try and capitalize on these issues, more and more. The moment that Joe Public starts thinking that the BNP is respectable is when the situation becomes dangerous.

Terry

Sweet Jesus, Casey.
Do you ever give up?