Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie
Hi there,
There is an issue with role permissions that is being worked on at the moment.
If you are having trouble with access or permissions on regional forums please post here to get access: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058365403/you-do-not-have-permission-for-that#latest

Boards Engineers

  • 29-08-2008 8:52am
    #1
    Jonathan
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 8,260 Mod ✭✭✭✭


    Maybe it's just me, but has anyone else noticed a higher than normal amount of engineers among the boards.ie population?


Comments

  • #2
    enda1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,166 ✭✭✭enda1


    well this isn't exactly the most active forum...

    But since boards is mostly men, and more men thatn women are engineers, I guess there are more engineers amongst the members of boards than a random population selection.

    Yes im an engineer :)


  • #3
    risk
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23 ✭risk


    well i think in fairness, a lot of people like to think their engineers, but if you were to check if they actually had an approved primary engineering degree (level 8 on National Qualifications Framework) you would find that the number is actually very low


  • #4
    enda1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,166 ✭✭✭enda1


    risk wrote: »
    well i think in fairness, a lot of people like to think their engineers, but if you were to check if they actually had an approved primary engineering degree (level 8 on National Qualifications Framework) you would find that the number is actually very low

    I'd say its actually quite high


  • #5
    Jonathan
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 8,260 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jonathan


    risk wrote: »
    well i think in fairness, a lot of people like to think their engineers, but if you were to check if they actually had an approved primary engineering degree (level 8 on National Qualifications Framework) you would find that the number is actually very low
    I'd call a charted engineer an engineer before I'd call a engineering graduate an engineer.


  • #6
    enda1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,166 ✭✭✭enda1


    jmccrohan wrote: »
    I'd call a charted engineer an engineer before I'd call a engineering graduate an engineer.

    Why? Our European cousins are laughling us for our archaic system. No one gives a **** about those pieces of paper outside the civil/structural business either.


  • Advertisement
  • #7
    risk
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23 ✭risk


    jmccrohan wrote: »
    I'd call a charted engineer an engineer before I'd call a engineering graduate an engineer.
    a chartered engineer is only applicable in civil eng in fairness. i've been working as an engineer in aerospace for over 5 years and have yet to come across a chartered engineer but all the engineers have a recognized degree. i'd say its the same in most other branches of engineering


  • #8
    Jonathan
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 8,260 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jonathan


    Yea sorry I was talking about civil.


  • #9
    risk
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23 ✭risk


    i think the dominance that civil eng has had over that last two decades will thankfully come to an end and that the IEI will get the same status as the "Provisional IRA" :D


  • #10
    chris85
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,502 ✭✭✭chris85


    jmccrohan wrote: »
    I'd call a charted engineer an engineer before I'd call a engineering graduate an engineer.

    only difference is some experience and stuff. Both qualified to the same level academically, one just has more experience. anyways im graduate mechanical engineer so this civil snobbery doesnt apply :eek:


  • #11
    mawk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,738 ✭✭✭mawk


    going by forum activity alone, id be inclined to guess that there are more professional poker players than engineers here.


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=318578

    almost 2000 PAGES of posts in just one thread. the engineering forum has nothing to come close to that.


  • Advertisement
  • #12
    Jonathan
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 8,260 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jonathan


    mawk wrote: »
    going by forum activity alone, id be inclined to guess that there are more professional poker players than engineers here.


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=318578

    almost 2000 PAGES of posts in just one thread. the engineering forum has nothing to come close to that.
    Na I was talking just about random posters around boards. Few post in this forum tho.. Quite boring here tbh apart from myth's engineering topics and the odd thread here and there.


  • #13
    godtabh
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 23,243 Mod ✭✭✭✭godtabh


    jmccrohan wrote: »

    Quite boring here tbh apart from myth's engineering topics and the odd thread here and there.

    Well there is a way of changing that isnt there?


  • #14
    dan_d
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,819 ✭✭✭dan_d


    Poker players probably have more time on their hands than engineers.....
    If you're a civil, there's an awful lot of people out there calling themselves engineers who are definitely not.It's a bit irritating...you spend 4 years working HARD (!) to get a degree, then find yourself at the same level and pay as people who didn't, and who are calling themselves engineers too...only really on site though I suppose.
    If you're in Europe you can't call yourself an engineer of any sort unless you have that qualification(degree).Things like "domestic engineer" or "hygiene engineer" don't exist....have you looked through any jobs sites recently?There are some very imaginative job titles containing the word engineer!!!
    (sorry I'm an engineer too!!)


  • #15
    Jonathan
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 8,260 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jonathan


    kearnsr wrote: »
    Well there is a way of changing that isnt there?
    I started this thread didn't I? :p

    Thats a start :)


  • #16
    Pingu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 241 ✭✭Pingu


    jmccrohan wrote: »
    I'd call a charted engineer an engineer before I'd call a engineering graduate an engineer.
    As clearly having a B.E. and being recognised as an Engineer by the IEI doesn't make one an Engineer :rolleyes:

    So you're saying a Graduate Engineer working as an Engineer isn't an Engineer?

    While our last draughtsman called himself a Senior CAD Engineer was a bit laughable. What's your problem with Graduates? I supposed when you become a Fellow merely being Chartered won't make one an Engineer?:rolleyes:


  • #17
    Jonathan
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 8,260 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jonathan


    Pingu wrote: »
    As clearly having a B.E. and being recognised as an Engineer by the IEI doesn't make one an Engineer :rolleyes:

    So you're saying a Graduate Engineer working as an Engineer isn't an Engineer?

    While our last draughtsman called himself a Senior CAD Engineer was a bit laughable. What's your problem with Graduates? I supposed when you become a Fellow merely being Chartered won't make one an Engineer?:rolleyes:
    I have no problem with graduate engineers at all.

    All I said was that I would consider a chartered engineer a higher rank than a graduate engineer.

    The same way I would consider a lieutenant a higher rank than a private.


  • #18
    Pingu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 241 ✭✭Pingu


    jmccrohan wrote: »
    I have no problem with graduate engineers at all.

    All I said was that I would consider a chartered engineer a higher rank than a graduate engineer.

    The same way I would consider a lieutenant a higher rank than a private.

    Ah, I just thought you were coming down hard on Graduates. In fairness some Graduates haven't a clue. But others have worked hard and do work very hard to establish themselves.

    A Second Lieutenant is pretty much a Graduate Officer!


  • #19
    chris85
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,502 ✭✭✭chris85


    dan_d wrote: »
    Poker players probably have more time on their hands than engineers.....
    If you're a civil, there's an awful lot of people out there calling themselves engineers who are definitely not.It's a bit irritating...you spend 4 years working HARD (!) to get a degree, then find yourself at the same level and pay as people who didn't, and who are calling themselves engineers too...only really on site though I suppose.
    If you're in Europe you can't call yourself an engineer of any sort unless you have that qualification(degree).Things like "domestic engineer" or "hygiene engineer" don't exist....have you looked through any jobs sites recently?There are some very imaginative job titles containing the word engineer!!!
    (sorry I'm an engineer too!!)

    I totally agree with this, i dont like the way the title engineer is not protected as it is in most other countries around the world.


  • #20
    Shiny
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,259 ✭✭✭Shiny


    jmccrohan wrote: »
    I'd call a charted engineer an engineer before I'd call a engineering graduate an engineer.

    As a graduate I would have to agree with this. I wouldn't have a clue
    what to do in a real world engineering project and how would I, without
    experience ?

    Charted engineers are also important in the area of Electronic Engineering.


  • #21
    Dundhoone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Dundhoone


    jmccrohan wrote: »
    I have no problem with graduate engineers at all.

    All I said was that I would consider a chartered engineer a higher rank than a graduate engineer.

    The same way I would consider a lieutenant a higher rank than a private.

    Oh cmon now, just because a fellow completed a report , two essays and an interview doesnt relaly make him all that special does it?
    I mean rank is gained through experience, not paper .


  • Advertisement
  • #22
    Darren1o1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 744 ✭✭✭Darren1o1


    Dundhoone wrote: »
    Oh cmon now, just because a fellow completed a report , two essays and an interview doesnt relaly make him all that special does it?
    I mean rank is gained through experience, not paper .

    Both are useful, neither should be excluded from the system but paper seen as merely a fast track to becoming an engineer. To be come a well rounded engineer it takes many years of practice in your specialization.

    In mechanical there are areas where experience pays of e.g. drafting standards but paper allows the person to critically approach a problem based on the fundamental behind the problem. It will just take a graduate time to learn some industrial standard not inherent in education. There are pro's and con of every route. It should all be about making sure everyone is at the same standard to approach their job competently.. Hence EI.


  • #23
    A Primal Nut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,949 ✭✭✭A Primal Nut


    jmccrohan wrote: »
    Maybe it's just me, but has anyone else noticed a higher than normal amount of engineers among the boards.ie population?

    Because we spend so much time at work behind a computer would be the obvious reason. Way too much time dossin on the 'net. Get back to work people.


  • #24
    Darren1o1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 744 ✭✭✭Darren1o1


    A Primal Nut wrote: »
    Because we spend so much time at work behind a computer would be the obvious reason. Way too much time dossin on the 'net. Get back to work people.

    You got me! Ah f*ck it, I'm off to play golf!


  • #25
    copacetic
    Subscribers Posts: 16,615 ✭✭✭✭copacetic


    Shiny wrote: »
    As a graduate I would have to agree with this. I wouldn't have a clue
    what to do in a real world engineering project and how would I, without
    experience ?

    Charted engineers are also important in the area of Electronic Engineering.

    they have no importance at all in electronic. Electronics is driven by the US and far east, they don't have an equivalent to it so it doesn't matter. There is always a big push by the Unis and the IEI to try and make out that chartered is important and it simply isn't.

    Much better to have an MSc or post graudate research. It is really only civil or structural that it matters.


  • #26
    Shiny
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,259 ✭✭✭Shiny


    copacetic wrote: »
    they have no importance at all in electronic. Electronics is driven by the US and far east, they don't have an equivalent to it so it doesn't matter. There is always a big push by the Unis and the IEI to try and make out that chartered is important and it simply isn't.

    Much better to have an MSc or post graudate research. It is really only civil or structural that it matters.

    If this is true then it is good to know as they expect you to do around
    20 small courses costing usually around a grand for a day course.

    That is pretty serious money if your employer isn't paying it for you.

    I just assumed that if you were in an interview and you told them that
    you wanted to become a charted engineer they would be interested....


  • #27
    godtabh
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 23,243 Mod ✭✭✭✭godtabh


    Shiny wrote: »

    That is pretty serious money if your employer isn't paying it for you.


    Alot of civil/structural engineering companies will pay this for you as its important to have as many chartered engineers on the books as possible. They can charge more!


  • #28
    copacetic
    Subscribers Posts: 16,615 ✭✭✭✭copacetic


    Shiny wrote: »
    If this is true then it is good to know as they expect you to do around
    20 small courses costing usually around a grand for a day course.

    That is pretty serious money if your employer isn't paying it for you.

    I just assumed that if you were in an interview and you told them that
    you wanted to become a charted engineer they would be interested....

    as kearnsr says, no electronic employer will expect this and also it isn't required to be chartered anyway.


Advertisement