DLH v Pacman signed?

dlofnep

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=3555960

We'll see I guess.

joker77

Crazy.... absolutely crazy.

Batesy

This is a joke. DLH is making a mockery of the sport. What does he think he's gonna prove fighting Manny?? The Pacman must be getting some payday for agreeing to this bout. Joke.

Big Ears

Batesy wrote: »

DLH is making a mockery of the sport. What does he think he's gonna prove fighting Manny??

That HBO won't just pay him for anything, they'll pay him handsomely and he's damn right too.

The is a joke fight and if it's ppv on whatever UK channel is showing it I won't be watching.

I'd be much more interested in Pacquiao fighting Valero, Guzman, Casamayor, Juan Manuel Marquez(x3), Michael Katsidis, Juan Diaz or Humberto Soto than DLH. Okay some of those guys are tied up at the minute(a good few against each other). but still. Infact I'd be much more interested in him fighting the Hatton-Malignaggi winner, Tim Bradley, Ricardo Torres, Kendall Holt, Andreas Kotelnik, well you get the picture.

I'd prefer seeing DLH fight Shane Mosley in a third fight, Daniel Santos, the Mora-Forrest winner, the Dzinzurik-Julio winner, the Baysangurov-Moore winner, Alfredo Angulo, James Kirkland, John Duddy, Kermit Cintron, Joshua Clottey, Andre Berto, Paul Williams, Margarito(although he's said that won't happen), hell even go back up to Middleweight and fight Sturm again.


This is just a freak show of a fight which will make a few people a lot of money. It gets in the way of some proper really good fights though and should Pacquiao somehow manage to pull off the upset then it sets him up for more freakshow bouts.

De La Hoya hasn't even confirmed whether he's retiring or not, and seeing as this is in December I reckon we'll be getting our annual Cinco De Mayo DLH event a few months later.

cowzerp

i'll watch it because there 2 of my favourite fighter's, but it is a bit of a circus tbh. Mosley dlh would be a good fight. But this fight will probably be a spar like the last trinidad fight! Entertaining but not the real deal. Although this would not suit pac at all.

dlofnep

Agreed on all accounts.

sston

I'm actually looking forward to this! What little is left of De La Hoya's reputation really is on the line here.

If Manny beats him it realy tarnishes his legacy and even if De La Hoya was to win on points people will say so what. People will expect De La Hoya to blow Manny away and that pressure should lead to an exciting fight. For my money I actually think Manny can win, De La Hoya can only fight a minute a round and Manny's speed will give him fits. I fancy Manny on points.

I'd rather see this that a third Mosley fight becuase it would be like watching the third Leonard - Hearns fight, an ok fight, but nothing like the previous 2 becuase the guys are past their primes. At least the Oscar - Manny fight has a bit of intrique about it because there are so many questions about both guys surrounding the fight.

slipss

Have to agree with the majority here. I was laughing at people a few weeks ago for suggesting this fight would go ahead. I don't know what DLH is hoping to accomplish with this, he was lucky to beat Phorbes so he goes in search of the smallest guy he can find that will still bring in the numbers. Is it just a matter of him wanting to say he beat the #1 pound for pound fighter around, try and make up for losing to Mayweather? There is the financial factor to it but he's not exactly on the breadline, GB Promotions must be turning over millions a year alone, and he is already a multi-millionaire from a successful career. If he is that desperate to fight Pac man why is he expecting Manny to do all the work, if he is serious about this as a contest why not put the fight off for another few months and then drop to 140 himself, meet him half way, I mean Pac is a world champion, whats DLH? The champ isn't the one thats supposed to be expected to make sacrifices to get a fight, its not more of an ask than asking him to gain 12lbs and still hope to compete at his best against a naturally larger, stronger opponent. I've admired Oscar for years, he was a great fighter, but this is ridicules, personally I hope Manny takes him apart (although I really don't see that happening). Have to agree with Big Ears aswell, all this fight is doing is putting off proper fights for both men. But you know what, I'll still watch, sucker that I am.

Vince135792003

It will be the most purchased boxing ppv this year.

joepenguin

slipss wrote: »

Is it just a matter of him wanting to say he beat the #1 pound for pound fighter around,.

Yep, should he beat Pac he retires the #1 pound for pound fighter, a whole lot(well in his case a bit) richer, and goes in the mexican good books for taking out the "mexicutioner"... although Chavez Sr says the mexicans will be cheering for Pac...http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=15624

Apparently Pac will get $3 million for every pound Oscar comes in over the limit.

Seems fair but Oscar will probably be able to come in at 150 and still bag $10 million
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=15647

eagle eye

Yeah its a complete joke of a fight. I hate to see this happening. I'll be shouting for the Pacman but I won't pay for it either. No way I'll support DLH anymore, he is just a money grabber now.

walshb

Pac shouldn't win, but probably will. Oscar is so inconsistent and such a shell at this
stage; that a Pac win is not all that unlikely!

T-K-O

Pac will not beat Deal, Oscar is winding down but not that much.

In saying that Pac will put up more of a fight than Floyd.

slipss

You know what, having given it a couple of days to sink in and re-watchin Pac-v-Diaz again I'm starting to warm to this fight a bit more. I mean sure the first reaction you have is...well...the reaction I posted above but thinking about it now, maybe it isn't as much of a mismatch as we all think. We know Pac can fight comfortably at 147, even if he isn't the whirlwind he is at 135, and Oscar has lost a lot of speed compared to how he was a few years ago, and maybe the strain of getting down to a fighting weight of 147 for the first time in a long time will zap enough power out of that left hook so that Manny can shrug a few of them off if and when he gets them landed on him. DLH does tire rapidly in the later rounds, as we've all seen in his last couple of fights. Pacs still in his prime and can explode in the 11th or 12th even after a grueling fight. Maybe this is my heart clouding my head, but we might just be in for a true classic here, I mean if Oscar drops a couple of heavy shots in the opening half of the fight and doesn't hurt Pac (it could happen) then whats his plan B? Keep Manny at the end of his jab for the fight? Can he afford to try and do that knowing most people are expecting him to stop the fight and stop it hard. Anyone with me here?

joker77

T-K-O wrote: »

That pic really highlights the size difference.

nacho libre

I expect Pacman to be ahead on points before it stopped due to a tko by DLH in round five. The size differential will ultimately prove decisive in the end.

T-K-O

slipss wrote: »

You know what, having given it a couple of days to sink in and re-watchin Pac-v-Diaz again I'm starting to warm to this fight a bit more. I mean sure the first reaction you have is...well...the reaction I posted above but thinking about it now, maybe it isn't as much of a mismatch as we all think. We know Pac can fight comfortably at 147, even if he isn't the whirlwind he is at 135, and Oscar has lost a lot of speed compared to how he was a few years ago, and maybe the strain of getting down to a fighting weight of 147 for the first time in a long time will zap enough power out of that left hook so that Manny can shrug a few of them off if and when he gets them landed on him. DLH does tire rapidly in the later rounds, as we've all seen in his last couple of fights. Pacs still in his prime and can explode in the 11th or 12th even after a grueling fight. Maybe this is my heart clouding my head, but we might just be in for a true classic here, I mean if Oscar drops a couple of heavy shots in the opening half of the fight and doesn't hurt Pac (it could happen) then whats his plan B? Keep Manny at the end of his jab for the fight? Can he afford to try and do that knowing most people are expecting him to stop the fight and stop it hard. Anyone with me here?

No we do not know that Pac can fight at 147 where did you get that from. Even at light weight he is un proven. David Diaz was the weakest of the champions, now I would expect Pac to beat to other guys at lightweight but that is still unproven.

Dela does tire and has done for many years but he is still pretty fast. The one thing you are right about is Oscar making 147. He looked really gaunt in his last fight and that was at 150 if I remember correctly.

I think Dela will be surprised by the power of Pac.

Dela will win by a UD unless Pac packs a real punch and atually hurts Oscar, then I predict a late TKO for the Golden Boy.

Running Bing

So is this going ahead?




I know its a circus and we can all cry and complain as much as we want about it being an outrageous but admit it.....everyone is interested to see how this tunrs out.:D

joker77

Yea it looks like it's definitely going ahead alright.

I'm interested, naturally, seeing as it's 2 of the best P4P fighters of the last 10 years.

But I'm not happy about it. I'd much rather see Pac-Man make an attempt to try to clean up the lightweight division, and also much rather DLH just throw his hat at it and concentrate on Golden Boy Promotions.

Pac-Man has said though that after this he's got 2 or 3 more fights before retiring and going into politics full-time. A bit sad, I think there's a lot of good fights left in him.

nacho libre

T-K-O wrote: »

No we do not know that Pac can fight at 147 where did you get that from. Even at light weight he is un proven. David Diaz was the weakest of the champions, now I would expect Pac to beat to other guys at lightweight but that is still unproven.

Dela does tire and has done for many years but he is still pretty fast. The one thing you are right about is Oscar making 147. He looked really gaunt in his last fight and that was at 150 if I remember correctly.

I think Dela will be surprised by the power of Pac.

Dela will win by a UD unless Pac packs a real punch and atually hurts Oscar, then I predict a late TKO for the Golden Boy.

i see pacman's speed being effective for a while but due to the glaring gulf in size that advantage will be negated as the shots of bigger and naturally stronger man begin to take their toll. i honestly don't see it going 12 rounds.

slipss

T-K-O wrote: »

No we do not know that Pac can fight at 147 where did you get that from.

Ha, sorry bout that, moment of drunkeness, had myself convinced Diaz fight was at welter.

eagle eye

slipss wrote: »

Ha, sorry bout that, moment of drunkeness, had myself convinced Diaz fight was at welter.

I can see why you thought it, because Pacman was so small compared to Diaz. DLH is bigger again and he ain't near as slow or as open, and he has the power.

Vince135792003

Babybing wrote: »

we can all cry and complain as much as we want about it being an outrageous but admit it.....everyone is interested to see how this tunrs out.:D

Exactly.

Promotion is not about satisfying the hardcore fans. They will watch anyway. Successful promotion is about booking fights that appeal to the masses and this is a text book example of that.

joepenguin

Apparently Oscar doesnt like to share:
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=15850 He's looking for a new trainer because he doesnt want Mayweather Sr training him and Hatton at the one time.
In fairness he admits it is his own fault for taking so long to make a decision.