Plane problems

dsmythy

What's going on with planes these days? There was the crashes in Spain and Kyrgyzstan, a fire on a plane in France i think it was, the problems with the Quantas planes, the decompression of the cabin on another flight somewhere over France and breaking news now that an Air France plane has skidded off the runway in Montreal.

Nothing and now suddenly nearly every day there's a new plane problem to hear about!

FlutterinBantam

Happens all the time, just right now after the JK crash in Madrid they are reported more... thats all.. nothing to be worried about.

kraggy

dsmythy wrote: »

What's going on with planes these days? There was the crashes in Spain and Kyrgyzstan, a fire on a plane in France i think it was, the problems with the Quantas planes, the decompression of the cabin on another flight somewhere over France and breaking news now that an Air France plane has skidded off the runway in Montreal.

Nothing and now suddenly nearly every day there's a new plane problem to hear about!

Still not a lot happening up there considering the number of planes up there at any one time.

To put it in persepective, 450,000 aircraft fly into/out of Heathrow every year. That's just one airport in one country.

And yet, not one single commercial airliner flying out of the UK in the last 20 years has crashed resulting in fatalities.

wylo

these things always happen in 2s and 3s i notice.

Wertz

I don't know, over the years I've noticed that plane crashes and major air incidents seem to happen in groups...it'll be quiet for a while, some times ages and then 3 or 4 will come along in a month...and I don't think it's to do with heightened reporting or anything...not saying there's anything amiss, it's just coincidence but strange all the same.

ronnie3585

Probably best ask a carpenter about planes.

jetsonx

When you take into account the amount of take offs and landings by airlines every minute around the world - their safety standards are still excellent.

In addition, when you take into account some of the savage cost-cutting that goes on in the business along with extremely short turnaround times its even more amazing that accidents are not happening on a weekly basis.

wylo

jetsonx wrote: »

When you take into account the amount of take offs and landings by airlines every minute around the world - their safety standards are still excellent.

In addition, when you take into account some of the savage cost-cutting that goes on in the business along with extremely short turnaround times its even more amazing that accidents are not happening on a weekly basis.

Safety will always be a priority , for 2 reasons.
a: its the law, if something went was being ignored the airline would be in serious trouble
b: Its not worth the damage to the business it would do.

Why do you think Concorde doesnt fly anymore

Wertz

On one of those air crash type docs a while back I think I heard a figure of something like 650 million individual flights (fair enough only a small % is commercial passenger) across the globe every year and that that is rising annually. With all those planes in the sky, there'd be something wrong if a few of them didn't come to grief every once in a while...

[edit] Concorde was being phased out anyway, long before Paris happened. It was outmoded (!), was making a loss and simply didn't suit the way mass air travel was going. Up until that it had a flawless safety record AFAIK.

dsmythy

ronnie3585 wrote: »

Probably best ask a carpenter about planes.

Yeah plane is one of those words that when you say it and talk about it it makes sense but when you right it down it just doesn't look right.

The Kyrgyzstan crash would of been reported without the Madrid crash and some of the incidents were before that same crash. Major incidents involving planes do seem to come in groups of two or three sometimes.

FruitLover

ronnie3585 wrote: »

Probably best ask a carpenter about planes.

Or a geometrist...

mumhaabu

There was a week during 2005 where several crashes occurred together freaky it was as I flew across the Atlantic and then onward to Japan at that time and I remember being a little nervous.

Pride Fighter

Both planes were American made. When will airlines realise airbus is deadly and Boeing and MD are ****.

Pride Fighter

dsmythy wrote: »

the problems with the Quantas planes,

QQQQqqqqqquantas never crashed,qquantas never crashed.

OPENROAD

dsmythy wrote: »

and breaking news now that an Air France plane has skidded off the runway in Montreal.

Nothing in the news about this. Source?


An Aer France plane did come off the runway in Montreal a number of years ago.

dsmythy

OPENROAD wrote: »

Nothing in the news about this. Source?


An Aer France plane did come off the runway in Montreal a number of years ago.

It was on Sky News briefly there. Seems to have disappeared. No one was hurt anyway it seems.

It is kinda late. I better not be seeing things...

EDIT: http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5gYYgQoXJAkoOkSFYjMuLa80T8bIA

AtomicHorror

Cars crash hundreds of times every day. But planes make a big explosion. Which gets the front page?

OPENROAD

dsmythy wrote: »

It was on Sky News briefly there. Seems to have disappeared. No one was hurt anyway it seems.

It is kinda late. I better not be seeing things...

EDIT: http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5gYYgQoXJAkoOkSFYjMuLa80T8bIA

Just found that now


There was a similar incident with an Aer France few years ago it was Toronto I think, went off runway burst into flames but everyone got off ok.

oneweb

dsmythy wrote: »

What's going on with planes these days?
<snip>
the decompression of the cabin on another flight somewhere over France

RTE article Tuesday, 26 August 2008 19:48
Ryanair flight makes emergency landing

Ryanair confirmed that the flight from Bristol to Girona was forced to make an unscheduled landing in Limoges last night following a loss of cabin pressure.

Laphroaig52

Wertz wrote: »

[edit] Concorde was being phased out anyway, long before Paris happened. It was outmoded (!), was making a loss and simply didn't suit the way mass air travel was going. Up until that it had a flawless safety record AFAIK.

I don't know that it was being phased out before Paris. Why did they go to the great trouble and expense of getting it airworthy again if they had planned to phase it out so soon?

It is something of a fallacy to consider Concorde as having a flawless safety record compared to other types. Remember they only built about 15 of them and even they were under utilised. Other sucessful airliner types are built in the hundreds or thousands and many spend most of their life in the air. For Concorde, I don't think there is enough hours flown data there to make a meaningful comparison of its safety record with other types such as the Boeing 737, 747.

The reason for the Paris crash was a burst tyre. As simple as that. For sure, the piece of metal shouldn't have been on the runway but any airliner that suffers a catastrophic power and control failure as a result of a single burst tyre should never have been taken into service in the first place.

Good riddance to it.

JupiterKid

Actually, on the subject of the Air France Concorde crash in Paris did you know where that piece of metal on the runway that burst Concorde's type came from? It fell off an MD82 airplane (the same model as the one that crashed in Madrid) that had just taken off before Concorde.:eek:

Flying is very safe. Accidents are rare and safety is a high priority, as it should be. Given the amount of air traffic today and the number of serious accidents, flying is much safer now than it was in the 1970s and 1980s.

FlutterinBantam

JupiterKid wrote: »

Actually, on the subject of the Air France Concorde crash in Paris did you know where that piece of metal on the runway that burst Concorde's type came from? It fell off an MD82 airplane (the same model as the one that crashed in Madrid) that had just taken off before Concorde.:eek:

Flying is very safe. Accidents are rare and safety is a high priority, as it should be. Given the amount of air traffic today and the number of serious accidents, flying is much safer now than it was in the 1970s and 1980s.

First I heard of that,understood it was a Continental a/c ,what type I'm not sure, but not an MD82 type

Dun laoire

JupiterKid wrote: »

Actually, on the subject of the Air France Concorde crash in Paris did you know where that piece of metal on the runway that burst Concorde's type came from? It fell off an MD82 airplane (the same model as the one that crashed in Madrid) that had just taken off before Concorde.:eek:

Flying is very safe. Accidents are rare and safety is a high priority, as it should be. Given the amount of air traffic today and the number of serious accidents, flying is much safer now than it was in the 1970s and 1980s.

I agree with you regarding the safety being high prority etc.. but i think the biggest problem people have is when a plane decides it it wants to take a nap @ 30k feet in the air it doesn't give much hope to it's passengers.

Run_to_da_hills

Ryanair should start charging extra for seats nearest the emergency exits.


Just reading about a crash in Kyrgyzstan of an Iranian chartered Boeing 737 200 yesterday, (not exactly the safest of the 737 series as they had a history of tail rudder trouble). Will Boeing send out an investigation team to these guys or are they still under an embargo from the USA? It pi**es me off when some crashes get more priority media attention over others. http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-08/27/content_9720040.htm

Big Knox

Flying out to Crete tonight, happy days. BOOM BOOM!! :pac:

chin_grin

dsmythy wrote: »

What's going on with planes these days? There was the crashes in Spain and Kyrgyzstan, a fire on a plane in France i think it was, the problems with the Quantas planes, the decompression of the cabin on another flight somewhere over France and breaking news now that an Air France plane has skidded off the runway in Montreal.

Nothing and now suddenly nearly every day there's a new plane problem to hear about!

Aliens, terrorists or Alien-terrorists........pick one.

djpbarry

kraggy wrote: »

To put it in persepective, 450,000 aircraft fly into/out of Heathrow every year. That's just one airport in one country.

And yet, not one single commercial airliner flying out of the UK in the last 20 years has crashed resulting in fatalities.

The odd chav-filled Ryanair flight to the Costa wouldn’t hurt…

ronnie3585 wrote: »

Probably best ask a carpenter about planes.

I know just the guy.

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Cars crash hundreds of times every day. But planes make a big explosion. Which gets the front page?

Tonight on FOX: “When Airplanes & Automobiles Collide”

Dun laoire wrote: »

… but i think the biggest problem people have is when a plane decides it it wants to take a nap @ 30k feet in the air it doesn't give much hope to it's passengers.

AFAIK, the chances of this happening are virtually zero. If something is going to happen to a plane, it will most likely be due to human error and will occur during take-off, approach or landing.

Laphroaig52

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

First I heard of that,understood it was a Continental a/c ,what type I'm not sure, but not an MD82 type

It wasn't an MD82. It was a DC10.

Sabre0001

Wertz wrote: »

..and I don't think it's to do with heightened reporting or anything...

Maybe a conspiracy theory but I think the news is all about "heightened reporting" - flavour of the month stuff. Haven't heard about Tibet in a while, Afghanistan, Iraq is losing the focal point, etc.

When something major occurs then more minor incidents with a common theme will be reported. Then people think that stuff like this is happening more often.....when in reality, these events probably occured just as rarely but were not reported as news.

*Kol*

Pride Fighter wrote: »

QQQQqqqqqquantas never crashed,qquantas never crashed.

:DQantas have never had a hull loss. They have had crashes.

JupiterKid

It wasn't an MD82. It was a DC10.

Even worse - the DC10 has a pretty poor safety record, with several major crashes in the 70s and 80s. Boeing seems to have had a better safetly record than McDonnell Douglas.

Macha

I was in an Aer Lingus flight in 2000 from Dublin to Rome, where the same depressurisation of the cabin happened. We had to emergency land in Charles de Gaulle, Paris. 3 fire engines & 4 ambulances guided us in. We quickly cleared all nearby kiosks of any alcoholic beverages! Then I got stuck next to this crazy religious nut telling me how I was going to hell because I took the pill. Told her to feck off as hell had just missed out. We were stuck there for about 6 hours. The worst part was having to get back on a plane to finish the journey *shudder*

Funny, how times change. I remember that incident didn't even make the news & got a tiny paragraph in the Irish Times. Now this one is all over the news. Missed my 15 mins of fame!