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Notting Hill skirmishes

  • 26-08-2008 6:02pm
    #1
    metman
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    Nearly 500 people have been arrested after dozens of gang members fought running battles with riot police at the end of the Notting Hill Carnival on Monday. Several police officers were injured in the violence.

    Sky's Mark White has this report here.


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  • #2
    Eru
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    Nothing new there in terms of problems at the carnival. In fact it seems just about every event is becoming more and more troublesome these days.

    Was there a change in managements attitude towards the event this year?


  • #3
    metman
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    I think the Force is taking a harder line on gangs and those likely to be carrying offensive weapons. Hence the operation that resulted in the stop on the 100 'youths' at the Oval, who were en route to the carnival.


  • #4
    donvito99
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    In the Sky video the Met looked like they handled the situ very well.The public order units 'grunting'(couldn't think of a better word) seemed very effective.


  • #5
    metman
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    The public order units are from TSG (Territorial Support Group) and are top of their food-chain for public order. Highly effective unit.


  • #6
    eroo
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    I wonder would AGS be able to respond to a situ like that in the same manner the Met did?Do uniform personnel(besides Public Oorder Units)have access to basic riot gear? i.e.helmets,shields.Also,would a single POU be able to deal with a large scale situation like that?


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  • #7
    ScubaDave
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    Well my helmet is in my locker! Sheilds....... not sure if they even exist in the district.. nearly certain they dont!


  • #8
    Eru
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    ScubaDave wrote: »
    Well my helmet is in my locker! Sheilds....... not sure if they even exist in the district.. nearly certain they dont!

    Helmet in locker as well, shields all over the place but in a thrown around manner.

    We could respond the same but not in the same numbers. The question is, would we?


  • #9
    Fyr.Fytr
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    Nope. Flat caps and hi-vis jackets, like with love ulster, only after a long period of time did POU and Helmets reach the front lines.


  • #10
    eroo
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    I suppose it would all depend on who is in charge of the Gardai in an incident.

    Ever since the whole MayDay debacle,I think AGS doesn't want to have to deploy regular Gardai in riot gear for fear of public perception of the organisation changing.It happened with 'Love Ulster'.AGS management don't want footage or pictures of uniform Gardai wearing helmets and carrying shields,baton charging people.The Shell To Sea protests have in the past required Gardai to use justifiable force.Yet,in this country,Gardai are deemed by the public to sort things out only through verbal means . . . and when force has to be used,the public often blame the Gardai.When they don't use force,they are blamed(Love Ulster)again.

    It is a lose lose situation.But instead of worrying about the organisations image,I think it is time Gardai were aloud to step up to the plate,and when necessary,use aduaqate(sp?)force when it is needed.The Met weren't worried about public reaction,they knew there was no other way to respond,except to use force to quell violence.It worked.


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