Unfair Banning From After Hours

hunter164

Right I've been banned from After Hours by Terry for the goings on in this thread. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055364183

As far as I can see it's an unfair banning. God Save The Queen was posted up as a joke whereas the song he posted up was serious.

Terry

You were banned for personal abuse. Simple as that.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=57035957&postcount=30

There will be no action taken for the posting of IRA lyrics, nor will there be any action taken for the posting of the lyrics of god save the queen.

Both are incendiary in their own right.

The thread has been closed anyway because sports threads go in the sports forum.

hunter164

As intelligent as a squirrell?? Are you serious?? How does that warrant a ban. The things he said were worse.What if a British person was reading that would that count as personal abuse?

If that's the case I'll get my Dad to read it.

seamus

Personal Abuse = Direct attack on another poster.

There's no argument here. It's a week. Get over it.

hunter164

That is ridiculous. So then when I get back onto After Hours would it be ok for me to post racist chants? Or is it only ok to post the songs of a group who murdered many innocent people?

seamus

Nope, because that's against the charter.

Last I checked, "West Brit" isn't a race.

hunter164

Oh but it's still ok to support that group??

hunter164

So I can't go and post a racist chant but I can post a chant that says that the British should go home??

Terry

In the context of the thread, those lyrics were fine.

Had it been a thread started deliberately inflame British (or any other) people, then that other guy would have been banned and for a lot longer than a week.

Some people are of the view that the continued British occupation of part of this country is wrong and that the British should leave that part of the island.
Others are of the view that the whole mess should not be spoken about.

Both parties are entitled to their own viewpoints and this site was not set up to change those views. It wasn't set up for people to spout those views either, but shít happens.

I won't be lifting your ban and I won't be banning anyone else for what was posted in that thread.

And I'm done.

See y'all in a couple of days.

Beruthiel

hunter164 wrote: »

So I can't go and post a racist chant but I can post a chant that says that the British should go home??

That sounds about right.

hunter164

Beruthiel wrote: »

That sounds about right.

Ye I thought it did. If all you can add to this discussion is sarcasm, I'd prefer if you left.

hunter164

Terry wrote: »

In the context of the thread, those lyrics were fine.

Had it been a thread started deliberately inflame British (or any other) people, then that other guy would have been banned and for a lot longer than a week.

Some people are of the view that the continued British occupation of part of this country is wrong and that the British should leave that part of the island.
Others are of the view that the whole mess should not be spoken about.

Both parties are entitled to their own viewpoints and this site was not set up to change those views. It wasn't set up for people to spout those views either, but shít happens.

I won't be lifting your ban and I won't be banning anyone else for what was posted in that thread.

And I'm done.

See y'all in a couple of days.

I don't find those lyrics fit into any discussion whatsoever.

I believe people can live wherever they want in this world and if the British still want to occupy up North that's fine.

Also my viewpoint was that he has the intelligence of a squirrell and I find that a lot less abusive than what he said.

I still can't get over the fact that a person can post an IRA song and gets away with it but I say he has the intelligence of a squirrell and I'm banned.

I think this charter needs some serious looking at if that's the case.

Also my Father is English so I take these things very seriously as he has been told to go home before,so when things like this are posted it disgusts me.

Terry

In an ideal world, the British occupation of the six counties wouldn't be a problem to anyone.
However, this is not an ideal world and some people do not agree with this.
Some have chosen to put this into song and some people like these songs.

My own father was shot at by the IRA and two of the soldiers under his command were seriously injured. This was when he was on border patrol with the Irish army in the late 60's.
He had no time for the IRA (or SinnFein or Gerry Adams in particular), but I'm not going to throw a wobbly every time someone sings a rebel song.

I don't really want to turn this into a 'My daddy is better than your daddy' type thing, so I'll suggest you take up the posting of lyrics to rebel songs in feedback.

This is about as reasonable as I get, so I will not be responding to this thread again unless something important is said.

seamus

hunter164 wrote: »

I still can't get over the fact that a person can post an IRA song and gets away with it but I say he has the intelligence of a squirrell and I'm banned.

Unless you can give a good reason why posting the lyrics of a Wolftones song should be banned, then you've got no ground to stand on here.

The lyrics as I see them aren't racist. They're asking British soldiers to leave. The political turmoil surrounding the writing of the song is irrelevant. For some people, it's a reality.

If someone posted a Tibetan song which asked the Chinese government to **** off and leave them alone, would you ask that we remove it because it's racist against Chinese people?

hunter164

seamus wrote: »

Unless you can give a good reason why posting the lyrics of a Wolftones song should be banned, then you've got no ground to stand on here.

The lyrics as I see them aren't racist. They're asking British soldiers to leave. The political turmoil surrounding the writing of the song is irrelevant. For some people, it's a reality.

If someone posted a Tibetan song which asked the Chinese government to **** off and leave them alone, would you ask that we remove it because it's racist against Chinese people?

Asking?!?! I believe it said " Go home you British soldiers, ahve you no ****ing home?" Since when is that asking Seamus?

Also West Brits is a derogatory (sp?) word and yes he didn't aim it anyone in particular but he did say it to the group who did not like what he said.

So in other words it would be ok for me to put up a Unionist song? Is that what's being said here??

hunter164

Terry wrote: »

In an ideal world, the British occupation of the six counties wouldn't be a problem to anyone.
However, this is not an ideal world and some people do not agree with this.
Some have chosen to put this into song and some people like these songs.

My own father was shot at by the IRA and two of the soldiers under his command were seriously injured. This was when he was on border patrol with the Irish army in the late 60's.
He had no time for the IRA (or SinnFein or Gerry Adams in particular), but I'm not going to throw a wobbly every time someone sings a rebel song.

I don't really want to turn this into a 'My daddy is better than your daddy' type thing, so I'll suggest you take up the posting of lyrics to rebel songs in feedback.

This is about as reasonable as I get, so I will not be responding to this thread again unless something important is said.

And if I did bring this to Feedback Terry would I have your backing? Or would you sit on the fence?

seamus

hunter164 wrote: »

Asking?!?! I believe it said " Go home you British soldiers, ahve you no ****ing home?" Since when is that asking Seamus?

Whether it's asking or not is irrelevant.

Also West Brits is a derogatory (sp?) word and yes he didn't aim it anyone in particular but he did say it to the group who did not like what he said.

"West Brit" is a slag that culchies use for Dublin people. Like "Jackeen" or "Dublin knacker". If you're offended by "West Brit", I suggest you switch off your computer and stop interacting with the rest of the world.

So in other words it would be ok for me to put up a Unionist song? Is that what's being said here??

Yep, work away. Better be on topic though.

hunter164

seamus wrote: »

"West Brit" is a slag that culchies use for Dublin people. Like "Jackeen" or "Dublin knacker". If you're offended by "West Brit", I suggest you switch off your computer and stop interacting with the rest of the world.

Why don't you tell me people that when all I said was you have the intelligence of a squirrell? Because that is cleary less offensive than that term.

seamus

Why don't you tell me people that when all I said was you have the intelligence of a squirrell?

Can you rephrase that? It makes no sense.
Offending a large amount of people - OK. Attacking a single person - not OK.

hunter164

Ye it seems to be ok to slag people when you're pro nationalist but once you slag them you're daffy ducked.

hunter164

seamus wrote: »

Can you rephrase that? It makes no sense.
Offending a large amount of people - OK. Attacking a single person - not OK.

If you say tough to me when I find a term offensive why don't you say it to them when all I say is they have the intelligence of a squirrell?

seamus

You're not getting this. If you can't see the difference between the general and the specific, we could go around in circles. And no, there's no political agenda here. I think nationalists and unionists are all idiots.

hunter164

So if I said you're all a bunch of ****. Would I be banned for that? Because that's generalisation.

seamus

You can say it if you like, but you'll find that we're much less receptive to any complaints you make in future, and we're likely to tell you where to go.

Terry

hunter164 wrote: »

And if I did bring this to Feedback Terry would I have your backing? Or would you sit on the fence?

No fence sitting.
I'd be in favour of the posting of nationalist lyrics because it's part of our culture.
That's not to say I'm a rabid republican though. I generally couldn't give a flying fúck what happens in Northern Ireland.

Like Seamus said though, it's fine as long as it's on topic. Shouldn't be done in an inflamatory manner either.

If someone did post lyrics in an inflamatory manner, then I would ban them.

Before you ask, no I didn't think they were posted in an inflamatory manner in that thread. It was a valid reply to the lyrics of god save the queen.

I'm going to take a huge leap here and conclude that you live in Ireland.
If that is the case, then I suggest you avoid country pubs at the weekend, where these songs are sung on quite a regular basis.
If you don't live in Ireland, then I suggest avoiding all Irish pubs in whatever country you do live in.

hunter164

Terry wrote: »

No fence sitting.
I'd be in favour of the posting of nationalist lyrics because it's part of our culture.
That's not to say I'm a rabid republican though. I generally couldn't give a flying fúck what happens in Northern Ireland.

Like Seamus said though, it's fine as long as it's on topic. Shouldn't be done in an inflamatory manner either.

If someone did post lyrics in an inflamatory manner, then I would ban them.

Before you ask, no I didn't think they were posted in an inflamatory manner in that thread. It was a valid reply to the lyrics of god save the queen.

I'm going to take a huge leap here and conclude that you live in Ireland.
If that is the case, then I suggest you avoid country pubs at the weekend, where these songs are sung on quite a regular basis.
If you don't live in Ireland, then I suggest avoiding all Irish pubs in whatever country you do live in.

Sorry I should have said I am Irish. But as you say that it was posted in response to God Save The Queen.What if say the Spanish national anthem was posted would it be received the way GSTQ was?

Also what annoyed me more than the song was being banned for saying he had the intelligence of a squirrell. I mean come on you hear worse in junior infants.

hunter164

seamus wrote: »

You can say it if you like, but you'll find that we're much less receptive to any complaints you make in future, and we're likely to tell you where to go.

So I can make any general taunt and get away with it yes??

Beruthiel

hunter164 wrote: »

So I can make any general taunt and get away with it yes??

Seriously, get a grip.
If you cannot understand what seamus and Terry are saying, you're not going to last too long in AH once your ban is up.

hunter164

Beruthiel wrote: »

Seriously, get a grip.
If you cannot understand what seamus and Terry are saying, you're not going to last too long in AH once your ban is up.

Come on all I'm saying a ban for saying someone has the intelligence of a squirrell.In my eyes all that warrants is a warning.

seamus

On another forum, perhaps. After Hours has a "no tolerance" policy on personal abuse, because of the nature of the forum.

Read it's charter. It's there in black and white.

hunter164

seamus wrote: »

On another forum, perhaps. After Hours has a "no tolerance" policy on personal abuse, because of the nature of the forum.

Read it's charter. It's there in black and white.

After Hours if full of sarcasm and that is all I was doing being sarcastic.

Terry

hunter164 wrote: »

Sorry I should have said I am Irish. But as you say that it was posted in response to God Save The Queen.What if say the Spanish national anthem was posted would it be received the way GSTQ was?

Also what annoyed me more than the song was being banned for saying he had the intelligence of a squirrell. I mean come on you hear worse in junior infants.

Firstly, the Spanish never invaded Ireland.
Poor bastards were screwed by the weather twice.
Had it not been for that, we would probably be speaking Spanish now as we would undoubtedly have been eventually conquered by them under the guise of them helping us get rid of the British.
That didn't happen though.
What did happen was the British invaded this country and there is still a lot of resentment among some people.
Some of those people chose to put it into song. Someone chose to post the lyrics of that song and you chose to personally attack that person.
As a result of that personal attack, you were banned.

Now you could argue semantics until you are blue in the face, but I have made my decision and I believe I was right in my actions.

Secondly, regarding playground behaviour, we tend to try and discourage that on this site. Most of us are adults and do not resort to playground type behaviour if something upsets us.

Once again, your ban will not be overturned and nobody else will be banned for anything posted in that thread.

hunter164 wrote: »

After Hours if full of sarcasm and that is all I was doing being sarcastic.

I don't believe you were.

hunter164

Terry wrote: »

Firstly, the Spanish never invaded Ireland.
Poor bastards were screwed by the weather twice.
Had it not been for that, we would probably be speaking Spanish now as we would undoubtedly have been eventually conquered by them under the guise of them helping us get rid of the British.
That didn't happen though.
What did happen was the British invaded this country and there is still a lot of resentment among some people.
Some of those people chose to put it into song. Someone chose to post the lyrics of that song and you chose to personally attack that person.
As a result of that personal attack, you were banned.

Now you could argue semantics until you are blue in the face, but I have made my decision and I believe I was right in my actions.

Secondly, regarding playground behaviour, we tend to try and discourage that on this site. Most of us are adults and do not resort to playground type behaviour if something upsets us.

Once again, your ban will not be overturned and nobody else will be banned for anything posted in that thread.




I don't believe you were.

First of all no need for the history lesson.
Second of all,even though the British invaded us there is no need to post that kind of a retort to ajoke like that.

Also I was being sarcastic and if I was serious I would have called him a c**t.

seamus

Either you don't know what sarcasm is or you're just really, really bad at it.

Either way, it wasn't sarcasm.

hunter164

And how wasn't it? Do you find intelligence of a squirell a serious statement? Because I for one don't.

Gordon

hunter164 wrote: »

Also my viewpoint was that he has the intelligence of a squirrell and I find that a lot less abusive than what he said.

Less abusive, so you believe you were being abusive.

hunter164 wrote: »

Why don't you tell me people that when all I said was you have the intelligence of a squirrell? Because that is cleary less offensive than that term.

You are agreeing that you are being offensive.

hunter164 wrote: »

Ye it seems to be ok to slag people when you're pro nationalist but once you slag them you're daffy ducked.

You agree that you are slagging someone.

hunter164 wrote: »

Come on all I'm saying a ban for saying someone has the intelligence of a squirrell.In my eyes all that warrants is a warning.

You agree that you should get a warning.

hunter164 wrote: »

After Hours if full of sarcasm and that is all I was doing being sarcastic.

Sarcastic? But you just agreed that you should have been warned for slagging someone by being offensive and abusive. Why are you now saying that you were just being sarcastic?

hunter164 wrote: »

Also I was being sarcastic and if I was serious I would have called him a c**t.

Why would someone that wasn't serious have to be warned for slagging someone by being offensive and abusive?

hunter164 wrote: »

And how wasn't it?

What do you mean exactly?

Sarcasm generally means humour found from the stance of obvious oppositeness while retaining the actual non-oppositeness of the situation, however, the oppositeness stance is obviously wrong and hence will cause some mirth by stating it. I think you should read up on what the word means.

If you truly were being sarcastic by saying "you have the intelligence of a squirrel" then your meaning is actually that the person in question is rather clever. If you want to simplify it think of sarcasm being the opposite of what you say. Therefore you couldn't possibly have been sarcastic because you just told everybody that you were insulting him and deserved to have a moderator apply swift justice to you.

hunter164 wrote: »

If all you can add to this discussion is sarcasm, I'd prefer if you left.

Beruthiel wasn't being sarcastic. Read up on the word. And if you can't listen to someone giving you solid answers, I'd suggest you start squirreling away your thoughts for a rainy day, get those nuggets of wisdom stored for when it matters, nut just any day. The chasm between rainy days and nuggets of wisdom is so vast I'm sore in the head, a sore chasm if I ever saw one. A sore chasm you say? COZ THAT'S POSSIBLE, OF COURSE IT IS. ROLLEYES.

hunter164

Gordon wrote: »

Less abusive, so you believe you were being abusive.

You are agreeing that you are being offensive.

You agree that you are slagging someone.

You agree that you should get a warning.

Sarcastic? But you just agreed that you should have been warned for slagging someone by being offensive and abusive. Why are you now saying that you were just being sarcastic?

Why would someone that wasn't serious have to be warned for slagging someone by being offensive and abusive?

What do you mean exactly?

Sarcasm generally means humour found from the stance of obvious oppositeness while retaining the actual non-oppositeness of the situation, however, the oppositeness stance is obviously wrong and hence will cause some mirth by stating it. I think you should read up on what the word means.

If you truly were being sarcastic by saying "you have the intelligence of a squirrel" then your meaning is actually that the person in question is rather clever. If you want to simplify it think of sarcasm being the opposite of what you say. Therefore you couldn't possibly have been sarcastic because you just told everybody that you were insulting him and deserved to have a moderator apply swift justice to you.


Beruthiel wasn't being sarcastic. Read up on the word. And if you can't listen to someone giving you solid answers, I'd suggest you start squirreling away your thoughts for a rainy day, get those nuggets of wisdom stored for when it matters, nut just any day. The chasm between rainy days and nuggets of wisdom is so vast I'm sore in the head, a sore chasm if I ever saw one. A sore chasm you say? COZ THAT'S POSSIBLE, OF COURSE IT IS. ROLLEYES.

I would happily accept my ban if Counting Crows was also banned for what he posted as we were both at it. But it seems if you post nationalist songs you're ok.