Sutherland

nacho libre

How do you all think Sutherland will fare as a professional boxer? Do you see him winning a European title at the very least?

Big Ears

I think he'll make a great pro, he won't have to adapt his style that much and thus he can be put in a bit tougher a but earlier. Which will be useful considering he's already 26.

From what I've seen he should reach European title level at least, possibly on a little further. You can never really tell till they get into that professional ring though.

But I'm looking forward to finally having an Irish pro with devastating power, this guy looked a bit hitter over 4x2's that's pretty hard to do. Expect some dramatic stoppage wins.

I can't wait for his first pro fight tbh.

alanceltic

i think he will talk the talk but doubt he will be able to back it up in the ring, he carries hugh natural power but i would rekon he will struggle to fringe on european level and my reasoning for this is that he hasnt shown the ability to adapt to his opponent. he is very one dimensional and cant think or adapt on his feet so to speak, if he has a gameplan and it is the right gameplan then he will be fine but I think he struggles against opponents who can change their style

walshb

I think he will get hurt and hurt bad. His style is too predictable and he takes a little too much. He has power, but absloute KO power? I don't think so.
The pro game is just so hard and 160 lbs is a lethal combibation of power, strength and speed. He may well find in the pros that he is banging away at some of these lads and they still are coming at him.

akindoc

I don't hold out much hope for Sutherland as a pro. He is too one dimensional and would be easily outboxed. I assume he will fight bums for a while and try to make as much money as possible but as soon as he fights anyone who can box, he's beaten. I also dislike his attitude. he seems to think it's better to be exciting than to win.

efb

an EU title. Love to see Lee shut him up

arybvtcw0eolkf

Well I'm no boxing pundit, but as a professional would he not be training with a new coaching team who would better adapt his fighting style to the pro-game?.

akindoc

efb wrote: »

an EU title. Love to see Lee shut him up

Sutherland vs Lee = mismatch.

Arion Online

He settled for a bronze (no mean feat I might add) and would need to get a bit more competitive for the Pro scene

yomchi

Mairt wrote: »

Well I'm no boxing pundit, but as a professional would he not be training with a new coaching team who would better adapt his fighting style to the pro-game?.

Exactly, our top amateur fighters go away to pro trainers and come back well heeled. It's not as if he's going to step straight into the pro ring, he'll be training for a long time. I'd imagine he may well get a dose of reality which may keep his mouth in order when he starts training with the big boys. Would like to see him paired up with Manny Steward, he'd put manners on him.

yomchi

Arion Online wrote: »

He settled for a bronze (no mean feat I might add) and would need to get a bit more competitive for the Pro scene

couldn't agree more, he did only settle for it. Seemed he couldn't wait to get out of the tournament. Deep down I'd say he's sick now that Egan is taking the spot light. That kind of cop out, if it is correct as it's an assumption, won't help him as a pro.

Big Ears

Jon wrote: »

Exactly, our top amateur fighters go away to pro trainers and come back well heeled. It's not as if he's going to step straight into the pro ring, he'll be training for a long time. I'd imagine he may well get a dose of reality which may keep his mouth in order when he starts training with the big boys. Would like to see him paired up with Manny Steward, he'd put manners on him.

Steward is undoubtedly the wrong trainer for him, give Manny a fighter who is exceptionally tall for the weight with a great reach and good power and he'll make him a World beater. Give him a regularly proportioned fighter and he'll do a pretty average job.

This thread has also helped to remind me that Sutherland was the most hated man in amateur boxing in Ireland before the Olympics.

I wouldn't mind seeing Darren team up with Brendan Ingle again or else go and apply his trade in America where he'd get some good promotional offers.

BTW efb do you mean EU title or do you mean EBU title ?

efb

EU

T-K-O

akindoc wrote: »

I don't hold out much hope for Sutherland as a pro. He is too one dimensional and would be easily outboxed. I assume he will fight bums for a while and try to make as much money as possible but as soon as he fights anyone who can box, he's beaten. I also dislike his attitude. he seems to think it's better to be exciting than to win.

Wrong, He is attempting to market himself ala David Haye.

I don't think you can judge Sutherland on his amateur performances, the pro game is almost a different sport and the guy has talent.

For example if he was fighting DeGale in a pro fight he would walk him down eventually. His aggressive come forward style would also go down well with the judges.

A lot of the time the old flick the jab out and run won't work as a pro, where as this works a threat in the amateur game.

Big Ears

efb wrote: »

EU

So you think pretty lowly of Darren then ?

nacho libre

Well, i for one hope he does well. He can certainly talk a good fight so let's see if he can back it up.

I should add that goes for Egan, or any of the other lads, who take the professional route.

sligobhoy67

sutherlands next opponent

toughgainer

I wouldn't be over critical of Sutherland’s next opponent, not that I’m suggesting you are Sligobhoy. When you look at his record it’s dreadful but Sutherland has to find his feet in the pro game and these opponents will prove a solid base. It’s a learning curve for the hard hitting Sutherland. Although I’m sure Maloney wants Sutherland to have a few early KO’ on his record to build him up further, but that’s pro boxing for you.

I know he’s contracted to fight 6-8 fights in the next two year (something to that effect) with Maloney, who does seem to look after his fighters a little bit better than some promoters. I believe by the end of the year Sutherland will be close to an Irish title and the year after he will have won a commonwealth title.

Sutherland is an exciting prospect and one that we should all get behind, judging by the way he fights it will be an exciting couple of years for the DCU student.

ODD-JOB

Tough-gainer makes very valid points here but.....

Seriously, this guy has the worst record I have seen !
A professional tomato can.
He hasnt won a single round since 2005.

Even Jimmy mc Gee wouldnt call him world class:D

toughgainer

Looking at that’s guys record it should be a straight forward 1st round KO for Sutherland, although he does seem to last the distance with a few, so in that case I presume he’s a spoiler.

Again I partly rest this on Maloney’s shoulders, not that’s he’s doing anything wrong, he wants build the advertising and promoting of the ‘Dazzling Darren Sutherland brand’. Even if he does knock out a load of bums, and has eight 1st or 2nd round KO’s this looks impressive to the average Joe who does not have any boxing knowledge. The paper will write more about him creating more publicity and thus generating greater demand for his shows putting more bums on seats which lines the pocket of Maloney. It’s the business of pro boxing really.

At times like this I’d really like to be a fly on the wall at this gym in London and watch him spar other fighters in Maloney’s stable, and see how he gets on better there, because we wont really learn much about Sutherland in his early pro fights, fighting in what effectively is non-contests (although he will learn from tv exposure and crowd noise). Apparently Maloney is finding it hard to get sparring partners for Sutherland but again this could be just hype, but than again he does hit hard and I wont like to share a ring with him if I wasn’t getting anything for it!!

ah,sure

It'll be hard to know until he has ten or so fights how far he really can go. Maloney is already talking about matching him up with Brian Magee for the Irish super-middleweight title by the end of the year.

His power is undeniable, as long as he improves on his feet he'll hurt a lot of guys. I hope (and think) he can get a Euro title.

I wouldn't like to see him back at Ingle, I thought he didn't really like it there? And he's also surely the top prospect of DeGale/Jeffries, though I haven't seen this Groves character in action.

In any case, I'm looking forward to seeing him brutalising opponents for the next while before the bigger tests come. Good luck to him.

walshb

His power is very good, but this is the pro game and he has done nothing yet, so I think we need to gauge this carefully. Darren is a lovely puncher, strong and powerful puncher; if he applied more speed to the shots, they would be wicked. To me, he's more heavy handed as opposed to vicious speed.

In the pros, he will be meeting guys who can take heavy whacks, hat's where his power will be either true or exaggerated.