Why does the Gov bend over for travellers?

Johnny Bitte

Hi all,
Last weekend my GFs sister who works in a pub in Athy gets a call from the Gardai telling her to close the doors at 7 as there will be a bunch of travelers coming through town.

Obviously this struck me as odd to think the the force to upload the law in the country is telling the people they are hired to protect to hide from the "bandits rolling into town".

Of course this all stems from the fact that once a travelers gets through the door of a pub they can not be asked to leave or you risk being done for discrimination or worse your pub wrecked.

Now I completely get trying to help people from outside the regular realms of society try to integrate or just survive.
But literally bending over for the entire traveling community, which has a notorious history of criminality just seems like no one with any authority has the balls to just come out and say enough is enough and treat them the same as ever other citzen of the country.

Terry

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KnifeWRENCH

Hmm....A discussion about travellers in AH.

Yeah, this will not end well.

Flamed Diving

*zaps popcorn*

Hagar

Move to Waterford Forum.

jaffa20

Moved to Marseille forum :pac:

markos79

it sounds like it was poker night in the garda station in athy that night and they didnt want to be interupted..........fcukin cowards why dont they just do what their paid to do.............uphold the law!

and in any case the travelling community may have a bad reputation but you cant paint them all with the same brush ,they all deserve a chance.

red menace

markos79 wrote: »

it sounds like it was poker night in the garda station in athy that night and they didnt want to be interupted..........fcukin cowards why dont they just do what their paid to do.............uphold the law!

and in any case the travelling community may have a bad reputation but you cant paint them all with the same brush ,they all deserve a chance.

Maybe its easier for the Guards and the Publicans to close up than the publican getting his premises trashed and the cops arrive after the fact.

Its not uncommon, this is from last week in Carlow
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2008/0814/1218477531587.html

I agree that they deserve a chance but a Publican deserves to make a living in safety as well.

Degsy

Would the cops in a small town like athy have the recources to deal with hundreds of travellers running amok with slash hooks?
No of course not.
The only way to deal with them when they're on the rampage is to either let them fight themselves out or send in the Public Order Unit.
Of course if they did this the wanky,lefty,bleeding-heart liberal scumbags would be all over the media condemning the actions of the cops and using words like "racism", "culture" and "excessive force".In fact the lowlifes at residents against racism would be calling for resignations and handing in poxy petitions at leinster house.
They cant win and its enough to make you sick.
The fact is that do-gooders are ruining the country.

Rowley Birkin QC

The_Goose135 wrote: »

Obviously this struck me as odd to think the the force to upload the law in the country is telling the people they are hired to protect to hide from the "bandits rolling into town".

They are uploading the law now?! :eek::eek:

*scrambles to delete certain items*

Fulton Crown

markos79 wrote: »

and in any case the travelling community may have a bad reputation but you cant paint them all with the same brush ,they all deserve a chance.

Yeah - might need the cnunts to do a cheapo finish job on the M50

phasers

you see if you bend over it's harder for them to hit you in the face with the bottle...

lee_arama

It's a joke alright. I've done security in Buttevant and in Dunmanway during horse fairs, and it's just pure trouble. All well and good saying that it's a minority causing the trouble when the majority refuse to police their own.

Pavee Point have some ****ing neck to condemn citizens defending their property and then just kick back when the fecking tinkers wreck Castlebar or slice each other up in Waterford.

Police are useless with em.

Rowley Birkin QC

That Pavee Point shower absolutely wreck my head when they are in the media.

irish_bob

travellers have sacred cow status

d22ontour

lee_arama wrote: »

All well and good saying that it's a minority causing the trouble when the majority refuse to police their own.

Just like in the 0% crime us settled peeps enjoy from policing the minority of scum , oh wait ..

:rolleyes:

Sully

bigkev49 wrote: »

That Pavee Point shower absolutely wreck my head when they are in the media.

Its funny they defend all of them, even those who step out of line. At least be honest Pavee.. (Does Boards have any of them on Boards I wonder? We have travellers on the Waterford forum)

oeb

lee_arama wrote: »

It's a joke alright. I've done security in Buttevant and in Dunmanway during horse fairs, and it's just pure trouble. All well and good saying that it's a minority causing the trouble when the majority refuse to police their own.

Pavee Point have some ****ing neck to condemn citizens defending their property and then just kick back when the fecking tinkers wreck Castlebar or slice each other up in Waterford.

Police are useless with em.

Same story here, delt with them for years on the doors, met some lovely travelers, but as soon as the scumbag travelers hear that you leave another traveler in they come give you grief at the door. And as ye no doubt know, doormen hate having to do what they are paid for (work)

In other news, howrya lee!

brianthebard

irish_bob wrote: »

travellers have sacred cow status

more like third class citizen status.

Sully wrote: »

Its funny they defend all of them, even those who step out of line. At least be honest Pavee.. (Does Boards have any of them on Boards I wonder? We have travellers on the Waterford forum)

thats not true they've been on the radio several times in the last month and always condemn criminal activity.

Rowley Birkin QC

Sully wrote: »

Its funny they defend all of them, even those who step out of line. At least be honest Pavee.. (Does Boards have any of them on Boards I wonder? We have travellers on the Waterford forum)

Thats my point exactly. If they admitted that there are some truly bad apples in their community and that traveller weddings/funerals/etc. then I wouldn't mind but ignorance seems to be bliss.

Also, all they ever seem to do is blame the government, nothing new or unique there I suppose, it really is tiresome.

lee_arama

oeb wrote: »

Same story here, delt with them for years on the doors, met some lovely travelers, but as soon as the scumbag travelers hear that you leave another traveler in they come give you grief at the door. And as ye no doubt know, doormen hate having to do what they are paid for (work)

In other news, howrya lee!

All good tall fella. Having a good ol bitch here about the feckers.

When I was running the Statoil out the Straight Road in Cork we had travellers casing the delivery area (which was private property and not readily open to the public). Called the police, who promptly went and gave the grubby pricks my name. Half an hour later a van load arrive on looking for me.

Thank god for CCTV cos I was goosed if I didn't have something to record my death, preventing my death.

Having said that I would have hammered any of them one on one. They can't land a punch to save their filthy lives.

phenomenon

The_Goose135 wrote: »

Why does the Gov bend over bckwards for travellers?

Cos they'll get their 5000 inbred cousins after you otherwise

Karoma

phenomenon wrote: »

Cos they'll get their 5000 inbred cousins after you otherwise

Shut up.

arybvtcw0eolkf

markos79 wrote: »

the travelling community may have a bad reputation but you cant paint them all with the same brush.

Yes you can.

markos79 wrote: »

they all deserve a chance.

Its been my experience that you can't.

And even when you take the chance here's a typical scenario of what happens...

John Paul Jacobs and Rosie Crackers arrive, have a few drinks. Don't bother anyone and leave...

Next week the lovely couple come back, with John Paul's brother and his lovely missus 'Young Rosie. Have a few pints, the craic is great so they ring an extended family of 50 and tell them that they're in 'Such & such' bar and the craic is mighty and the doormen are sound.

30 minutes later a truck full of 'em arrive singing Big Tom songs and smelling of carbolic soap. They get rowdy (and trust me thats putting it very mildly). The manager/bar person asks them to keep it down, they (the travellers) play the race card - which they feel also gives them the right to smash the place up.

You loose your good customers, the publican spends a mint defending himself in court against accusations of discrimination. John Joe Jacobs & Miss Cracker move onto some other poor unsuspecting sod.

Any discrimnation they feel they are subject to are their own making.

Johnny Bitte

lee_arama wrote: »

All good tall fella. Having a good ol bitch here about the feckers.

When I was running the Statoil out the Straight Road in Cork we had travellers casing the delivery area (which was private property and not readily open to the public). Called the police, who promptly went and gave the grubby pricks my name. Half an hour later a van load arrive on looking for me.

Thank god for CCTV cos I was goosed if I didn't have something to record my death, preventing my death.

Having said that I would have hammered any of them one on one. They can't land a punch to save their filthy lives.

Same experience also, in fact they were living outside the station and every single night it was chasing the kids out of the store stealing empty petrol cans and slice pans, then the father would come in get €3..63 worth of green diesel and only have €2 euro on him.

One night when I had enough I told one little thieve to get out and the Ma and Da appeared spouting on about the law and court but when I mentioned the cameras recording the robbery they soon left and probably grabbed some motor oil on the way.