Big African Game Hunting on TV...(Channel 4, 20-08-2008, 10pm)

Kramer

Wednesday night on Channel 4 @ 10pm - "Dangerous Jobs for Girls".

Possibly worth a watch.....:D.

Rovi

Thanks for the heads-up, Sky box set to record.

I've edited the thread title to include the channel, date, and time.

Invincible

It's intresting,so far

tiny-nioclas

i agree,i wouldnt mind doing that for two weeks at all!! the lads are made out to be real typical arrogant africaaners wouldnt mind a blesbok myself!

Jonty

Blitz 240 - some job. I think I see a CZ 527?? and a ruger. Them deer are so well lit up they got a tan. The Belfast one was fairly stubborn

meathstevie

tiny-nioclas wrote: »

i agree,i wouldnt mind doing that for two weeks at all!! the lads are made out to be real typical arrogant africaaners wouldnt mind a blesbok myself!

That's what's kept them going from the days of the Dutch East India Company till know : pride and stubborness. Settlers, farmers and warriors rolled into one.

fish slapped

She had two miss fires , you could here the pin strike the round and she cycled the action straight away on both occaions. I was always led to believe I should wait a minute in case of a slow primer. would you agree?
Yes the guys are true africaaners as in just shut up and fecking do it!

jwshooter

it was rough stuff ,gun handling was dangerous to say the least ,the guns were not working right jamming and misfiring,asking novices to take head shots at nite under pressure two novices with loaded firearms on one truck . they shot almost 40 one nite with 40 shots i dont think so .love to see the out takes ,say they would be rough .sating that it was a interesting program the PHs let them seleves down in the way the program was made ,money is more important than deer welfare in south africa too it looks like . i have no problem culling deer in this way but leave it to the pros

stevoman

the english blonde girl was pretty good (plus she wasnt half bad). the one from nothern ireland was basically a man with boobs. imagine coming home to her of a friday night and telling her you drank her housekeeping money!

good programme though.

they say that in south africa 20,000 of those rens or springbock are culled every year. i wonder though can the populations of that creature surely sustain that

stevoman

jwshooter wrote: »

it was rough stuff ,gun handling was dangerous to say the least ,the guns were not working right jamming and misfiring,asking novices to take head shots at nite under pressure two novices with loaded firearms on one truck . they shot almost 40 one nite with 40 shots i dont think so .love to see the out takes ,say they would be rough .sating that it was a interesting program the PHs let them seleves down in the way the program was made ,money is more important than deer welfare in south africa too it looks like . i have no problem culling deer in this way but leave it to the pros

aswell as that they were lamping them too. hardly the fairest way to hunt so it is.

Rovi

stevoman wrote: »

aswell as that they were lamping them too. hardly the fairest way to hunt so it is.

'Fair' doesn't really come into though, that was a commercial cull where the objective was the removal of a certain number of animals from the herd and the harvesting of the meat, not a guided hunt for a single client with the objective of taking a trophy animal.
Some of the gun handling would indeed give me the heebie-jeebies if it was done in my presence.

stevoman

Rovi wrote: »

'Fair' doesn't really come into though, that was a commercial cull where the objective was the removal of a certain number of animals from the herd and the harvesting of the meat, not a guided hunt for a single client with the objective of taking a trophy animal.
Some of the gun handling would indeed give me the heebie-jeebies if it was done in my presence.

true but the point i was trying to make was how would the women have got on if the hunting had to be done during the day. the lads would have beat them 10 times over. its alot easier to lamp a deer than to try get close during the day.

KRICO.22

Great programme. Never shot big game but would love to do that for two weeks. Hopefully going to get some wild bore in OZ next year.

One question, Your man said something about the adrenalin being released into the bllod if the animal was not shot in the head. What does the Adrenalin do to the meat?

stevoman

KRICO.22 wrote: »

One question, Your man said something about the adrenalin being released into the bllod if the animal was not shot in the head. What does the Adrenalin do to the meat?

correct me if im wrong but as far as i know it taints the meats the same as happens a rabbit. i know if a rabbit suffers much distress before the death it can give it a very musty flavour. i think that can be something to do with glands on the rabbit so it may relate to bigger creatures aswell.

whitser

KRICO.22 wrote: »

Great programme. Never shot big game but would love to do that for two weeks. Hopefully going to get some wild bore in OZ next year.

One question, Your man said something about the adrenalin being released into the bllod if the animal was not shot in the head. What does the Adrenalin do to the meat?

i was wondering about that too. no wonder all my fox steaks taste a bit funny:D

Rovi

Raised adrenaline levels causes glycogen breakdown in the muscles, and is usually accompanied by increased strenuous muscle activity which causes even more glycogen breakdown; adequate levels of glycogen are required in the muscles at time of slaughter for the post mortem production of lactic acid; low post mortem levels of lactic acid results in meat with high pH levels.
High pH levels in meat give rise to 'dark cuts' (darker coloured meat than 'normal'), reduced tenderness, taints (to palates more accustomed to more bland tastes), drier meat, and poorer keeping qualities.
This has been known to the meat industry for centuries, and most slaughtering plants go to considerable lengths to reduce stress levels to animals before slaughter.

Sparks

fish slapped wrote: »

She had two miss fires , you could here the pin strike the round and she cycled the action straight away on both occaions. I was always led to believe I should wait a minute in case of a slow primer. would you agree?

Hell yes. People have lost fingers from hangfires in such situations (and had to have the bolt removed from the back of their shoulder afterwards as well).

Sparks

Rovi wrote: »

This has been known to the meat industry for centuries, and most slaughtering plants go to considerable lengths to reduce stress levels to animals before slaughter.

It's been known for longer than that I'd suspect Most of the dhabihah ritual (the way of slaughtering animals required for the meat to be considered halal) is based around the same principle - you don't sharpen the knives in front of the animal, you cut both carotid arteries and both jugular veins in a single cut as a method of slaughter (without the bloodstream, adrenaline can't circulate through the body and if the knife is sharp, the cut inflicts little actual pain), you don't slaughte one animal in sight of the others (so they don't panic and release adrenaline), you ensuring the animal is healthy and comfortable before slaughter (no distress = no adrenaline) and so on. And it's not just Islamic culture that does this - in Jewish tradition it's called Shechita but is physically the same process (just a different prayer), and in Hindu tradition there's a similar practise, but they actually decapitate the animal with a single blow from a sword or axe. And if it was known about so far back that so many major cultures have traditions on the matter that go back over two thousand years, I'm guessing this is really, really, really old knowlege. I'd bet you'd find the same practises in any human culture that eats meat regularly (meaning any group that practises some form of animal husbandry).

NoNameRanger

I wonder how many jaws they blew off.:eek: Seriously head shooting is not good practice, except for the very experienced and the very experienced generally won't take head shots. Don't understand why they didn't gralloch them on the ground and then hang them up, would have been alot easier. The gun handling was awful alright.
In the end the girls were only driving and shooting, the African lads were doing all the dragging. To make it fair it should have been only women on the truck.

fish slapped

Sparks you seem to know your stuff, did you research it or work in one of the factories? and I can tell you those knifes are SHARP and they bless it before each cut.

jwshooter

NoNameRanger wrote: »

I wonder how many jaws they blew off.:eek: Seriously head shooting is not good practice, except for the very experienced and the very experienced generally won't take head shots. Don't understand why they didn't gralloch them on the ground and then hang them up, would have been alot easier. The gun handling was awful alright.
In the end the girls were only driving and shooting, the African lads were doing all the dragging. To make it fair it should have been only women on the truck.

i think they were bring the gralloch with them ,not to encourage vermin and bigger pradators into the area . there doing it in scotland a good bit now .i would also bring the gralloch with me if i was in a public area no point leaving a gralloch with a un born calf for the general public to see

Sparks

fish slapped wrote: »

Sparks you seem to know your stuff, did you research it or work in one of the factories?

Grew up with the grandmother working on the slaughterhouse floor for Dennys - I learnt how it can all go horribly wrong from her As for the halal stuff, I like to cook and anyone who learns how to cook without learning where what you're cooking comes from, well, they're not a very good cook - and I was living in portabello for a while and all the small ethnic shops around that area are all semetic so it's all kosher and halal stuff.

fish slapped

Sparks, I worked in a factory where we were killing 800 cattle a day so I've also seen it go well wrong and also spent 12 years as a beef boner and 5 boning pork, i also worked in a plant in germany where they killed over 20,000 pigs per day and yes I love to cook too, well nearly as much as I love to eat it!!:D:D So I know where your comming from.

meathstevie

Lads, you don't even have to go as far as Halal and all. Make the comparison between a rabbit you took on the run with the shottie or one that went from oblivion to eternity from 70-80 yards with the rifle. That's basicly all you need to know about adrenalin : though as an old boot or sweet as velvet. That's the difference between adrenalin and no adrenalin.

Magnusd

What calibre were they shooting with ?

Rovi

Magnusd wrote: »

What calibre were they shooting with ?

Hard to tell, especially as they appeared to be using suppressors and the sound of gunfire doesn't record or transmit well on television anyway, but I suspect they were some flavour of .22. The rifles certainly appeared to be short/medium length actions, the holes in the paper target didn't look .30 calibre to me, and there didn't appear to be much recoil.