Are we ruled by the Police State?

buddyonair

FEMA camps across the U.S.?

Are there any caps in europe? Is there a FEMA like institution in europe?

did you see increase in police presence in your home town?

RFID chip to control you?

Is the police state taking over with the help of the army or is this just a preparation for something bigger we cannot see so far??

Diogenes

buddyonair wrote: »

FEMA camps across the U.S.?

Where are these camps.

Are there any caps in europe? Is there a FEMA like institution in europe?

Why don't you find out.

did you see increase in police presence in your home town?

Can you give an example of a police state infringing on your freedoms.

RFID chip to control you?

Where?

Is the police state taking over with the help of the army or is this just a preparation for something bigger we cannot see so far??

Perhaps sir would like to holiday in North Korea or Iran, and then make a decision as to whether Ireland is a police state.

Kama

Eh, the Police State stuff is misleading. Control, if at all, takes place more through information and ideology than Repressive State Apparatus in Althusserian terms, in Western countries anyway.

Physical control is A: expensive B: unnecessary. Especially if people are too frightened and paranoid to leave their keyboard and walk around outside.

Hey! Wait a Minute!

d0gb0y

Interesting add on MTV

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reCpV1YHuYs

d0gb0y

Diogenes wrote: »

Where are these camps.



Why don't you find out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P-hvPJPTi4

There is a lot more aswell, just do a search for the Republican National Congress that was held in New York in 2004 & Democratic National Congress in Denver thats gonna take place soon.

Diogenes wrote: »

Can you give an example of a police state infringing on your freedoms.

http://iccl.ie/DB_Data/news/ICCLandotherhumanrightsgroupsawaitjudgmentinlandmarkcaseagainstUKatEuropeanCourt_79.htm

Diogenes wrote: »

Where?

http://www.infowars.com/?p=4125

http://www.wired.com/politics/security/news/2004/10/65412

Diogenes wrote: »

Perhaps sir would like to holiday in North Korea or Iran, and then make a decision as to whether Ireland is a police state.

No need as we will all have our own police states soon to make sure we wouldn't go to such freedom loving countries that you named above:D

Kama

Yeh, was quite surprised when saw that first. Banksy made the point that art is so bad these days because everyone ambitious and talented is in advertising; MTV is one long ad, and will use whatever memes are going around. 'Prison Planet' memes are big, so they turn up in 'edgy' MTV ads, and MTV wants to look progressive and thoughtful. Everyone wins!

I'm not exactly 'oh noes they be stealin' mah freedomz!' on the police state. I would more if I was in the States though, where a lot of this is coming from as a CT. A police state keeps control primarily by coercion and force, with high surveillance. Our society has pretty low direct coercion, with increasing levels of surveillance.

(For anyone who is interested in the North Korean police state, but can't get airfare or a visa, I'd like to recommend The Vice Guide to N. Korea)

Mind you, the general trend with teh WOT is towards internal enemies and governments monitoring people closer 'for safety', which I guess is why 'Police-State' is being thrown around more and more. I only really notice in airports. Heard a new recorded message in one this year:

'Anyone found making jokes, or otherwise mocking the security situation, will be subject to immediate arrest and detention'

Its the War on Humour...Jokes are the Real Threat...

Diogenes

d0gb0y wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P-hvPJPTi4

It's a video of a railway yard.

There is a lot more aswell, just do a search for the Republican National Congress that was held in New York in 2004 & Democratic National Congress in Denver thats gonna take place soon.

So there were Fema death camps in New York? Really where?

http://iccl.ie/DB_Data/news/ICCLandotherhumanrightsgroupsawaitjudgmentinlandmarkcaseagainstUKatEuropeanCourt_79.htm

And the outcome of this case was?

http://www.infowars.com/?p=4125

I don't bother with Alex Jones links.

http://www.wired.com/politics/security/news/2004/10/65412

A four year old article from wired. Seen an RFID chips in your passport lately?

No need as we will all have our own police states soon to make sure we wouldn't go to such freedom loving countries that you named above:D

Uh huh.

Kama

Um, little do do with whether the EU is or isn't, but the US/FEMA thing isn't entirely baloney...check REX 84

Rex 84, short for Readiness Exercise 1984, was a plan by the United States federal government to test their ability to detain large numbers of American citizens in case of massive civil unrest or national emergency.

The exercise anticipated civil disturbances, major demonstrations and strikes that would affect continuity of government and/or resource mobilization. To fight subversive activities, there was authorization for the military to implement government ordered movements of civilian populations at state and regional levels, the arrest of certain unidentified segments of the population, and the imposition of martial rule...

the basic facts about Rex 84 and other contingency planning readiness exercises--and the potential threat they pose to civil liberties if fully implemented in a real operation--are taken seriously by scholars and civil liberties activists.

So...provision made for mass incarceration, camps, arrest of dissidents, and so forth if the domestic population got too 'rowdy', contingency plans to institute martial law, and so forth. Whether a trainyard is or isn't a possible camp is besides the point; planning exists on a national level to produce one pretty sharpish.

(Ands we all know, if its on Wikipedia it *must* be true, unless you're into the great wiki conspiracy...:D)

buddyonair

here is a list of those camps and executive orders.

http://eldib.wordpress.com/2007/10/24/fema-camp-footage-concentrations-camps-in-usa-locations-and-executive-orders/

(don't mind the french titel)