Motorway madness

jtbub15

I think I just need to get this off my chest because it really really annoys me, so I thought I would share my annoyance with you poor folk and see if it annoys you to.

Right here we go..... Motorway driving.... I drive on two motorways, M1 and M50 every day and how some people drive on them really really gets to me!! If lets say I was driving along in the left hand lane, and I wanted to overtake the car infront of me I would look, signal and move into the right hand lane and back into the left hand lane when I overtook him. However if I noticed a few cars that I was going to over take I would stay in the right hand lane until needs be....now I would just like to say that I dont cut in front of people in the right, I will wait until it is safe to overtake. Now if I was coming up in the right hand lane overtaking a few cars, and there is some idiot in front of me (in the right hand lane) wouldnt you think he'd move back to the left if he was actually going SLOWER then the ones in the left hand lane anyway!!! Obviously not just cut in straight away but if there is time and space to do so......MOVE OVER!!! Also HGV's.... I know they brought in penalty points for HGV's in the right hand lane so can they even over take? It annoys me when they try to overtake someone...it takes them about 5 mins!! and its dangerous because people have to slow right down.... GRRRRRRR:mad::mad::mad:

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Alanstrainor

Moved from learning to drive.

Seth Brundle

Welcome to Ireland where people generally can't drive!

fletch

Drives me crazy too, just undertake, you'll never make any progress otherwise.

unkel

jtbub15 wrote: »

if there is time and space to do so......MOVE OVER!!!

+1

Good slogan for use in safety ads

Quint

fletch wrote: »

Drives me crazy too, just undertake, you'll never make any progress otherwise.

I drive the N2 every day, and have to undertake at least once a day. Some people think the right hand lane is their own special lane. Even on an empty road, they just stay there, completely oblivious to the ROTR

You are accomplishing nothing by posting about stuff like this.

The sooner you learn to to calm down and adapt to other less skilled or ignorant road users the better. There are bad drivers out there and there always will. boo hoo, who cares, just deal with it like other sane road users.

The best thing you can do for your own driving is learn to adapt to other drivers behaviour and not get so wound up about it.

Guy:Incognito

I have wanted a rant about this for a while

Can everyone here not take it upon themselves to explain, especially to their parents, the way the motorway works to anyone they know that cant use lanes properly.

I came onto the M50 today around 3.45 at Palmerstown heading soutbound. Firstly, on the slip , a woman in front in one of those suzuki yokes that looks like an opel agila brakes when the hatchings dissappear between the main carriageway and the slip (wtf??). Braking to slower than the traffic your trying to join is stupid enough but now with the lanes between each junction meaning you dont even have to join the main carriageway if you are going back off the next junction it meant she had an empty lane in front of her to use while she has to join. (when sh did manage to join the motorway, she cut straight out into the overtakignlane :rolleyes: it's down to 2 lanes atm btw)



So I'm trundling up the driving lane and need to overtake a line of traffic (made worse by all the idiots that wait until just before the turn off to move to the off ramp, have they not realised they have a couple of miles of a lanes that they can move into now when they know they are going off the next junction? idiots) and come up behind a woman with her seat all the way forward and must have been steering with her shoulders she was that close to the wheel in an 08 Auris who eventually realises I'm behind her just before I was about to give up and undertak her in the driving lane which had just become completely clear for about a mile ahead after we overtook the traffic when she moved over, so I went passed then moved into the drivign lane and continued on pullign away from her. Thing is, as soon as I went by and looked in my mirror she had moved back into the overtakign lane, despite the driving lane being completely clear, where she stayed until I went off at Tallaght and she continued on towards Dundrum.

I think I'll just stop using motorways, it's tto frustrating having to deal with people who havnt a clue how to use them.

Quint

ronoc wrote: »

You are accomplishing nothing by posting about stuff like this.

The sooner you learn to to calm down and adapt to other less skilled or ignorant road users the better. There are bad drivers out there and there always will. boo hoo, who cares, just deal with it like other sane road users.

The best thing you can do for your own driving is learn to adapt to other drivers behaviour and not get so wound up about it.

But bitching and ranting is what makes messageboards fun! :pac:

Guy:Incognito

Quint wrote: »

But bitching and ranting is what makes messageboards fun! :pac:

It's more than that, it's what makes them exist. Otherwise it would just be a huge series of 1 post threads that everyone agrees with and no one need reply to.

cml387

Down here in cork/tipp where there is an increasing amount of motorway mileage, I see few examples of poor motorway driving.

Having recently driven in northern Italy, it is appalling what goes on.
Tailgaiting at high speed, and woe betide you if you venture into the overtaking lane when some stallion in an Alpha Romeo will vigourosly start flashing his lights from a kilometre back to get you out of his way.

We aren't all that bad.

Heroditas

The most annoying driver is "driver who sits in the outside lane and perfectly matches the speed of the driver inside him" and continues this for several kms blisfully unaware of those behind him. OR worse still, couldn't care less about those behind him/her.
Use the mirrors pal!

Driving in the 6 lane freeways in the USA is fun - at least you can undertake there and nip across several lanes.
However, what's annoying is their insistence on slamming on the brakes for no reason whatsoever, or if they come to a gentle bend in the road and brake from 90mph to 60. Bizarre!

Andrewf20

Yes, every now and then I see a cabbage on an empty motorway 200m ahead of me doing 60mph with no one near them indicating and moving into the fast lane. I mean, wtf?

Scottie99

fletch wrote: »

Drives me crazy too, just undertake, you'll never make any progress otherwise.

Yea you'll save at least 2 mins!!:rolleyes:

Henry Ford III

Quint wrote: »

I drive the N2 every day, and have to undertake at least once a day. Some people think the right hand lane is their own special lane. Even on an empty road, they just stay there, completely oblivious to the ROTR

1/. You never have to undertake.

2/. Undertaking is dangerous never mind illegal. Perhaps you need a refresher on the ROTR yourself?

I know it's frustrating when other drivers do not follow the rules, but you cannot, even momentarily, choose to deliberately not follow them yourself.

Balfa

Scottie99 wrote: »

Yea you'll save at least 2 mins!!:rolleyes:

Yea who'd want to save over 31 days of their lives? :rolleyes:
(2 mins per trip * 2 trips per day * 5 days per week * 50 working days per year * 45 years of commuting per life).

unkel

cml387 wrote: »

Having recently driven in northern Italy, it is appalling what goes on.
Tailgaiting at high speed, and woe betide you if you venture into the overtaking lane when some stallion in an Alpha Romeo will vigourosly start flashing his lights from a kilometre back to get you out of his way.

You obviously do not understand how motorways work. Agreed, the Italians are generally aggressive, but you'd have been fine if you'd have behaved properly. Italian motorways are safe although the average speed driven in cars is likely more than twice the Irish speed. German motorways are safe and half of them don't even have a speed limit. Drive on a quiet one and you'll be overtaken by drivers doing >250km/h regularly

Henry Ford III

Scariest place to drive in my view is Arc de Triumph in Paris. Lethal.

Panda Moanium

There is one particular scenario I've encountered a few times which genuinely baffles me.

On a quiet motorway (I've seen it on the M4), I'm driving along in the left lane. Ahead there is a car in the outside lane going slower than me, although there is no other traffic on the inside lane. Anyway I come up behind them, indicate and move into the overtaking lane, whereupon they indicate and pull over allowing me to overtake.

All well and good, at least the driver is aware of other traffic on the road. I then in turn move back into the inside lane as there is no other traffic ahead. Only to see in my mirrors the car I had just overtaken return to its previous position in the overtaking lane!

Why?? What is going on in the head's of these people? Do they think they have to drive in the outside lane? I would love to know.

G-Money

Quite recently I was on the M1 and went to overtake someone and there was a car which kind of drifted out into the overtaking lane and wouldn't budge. He/she was driving much much slower than the rest of the traffic in the fast lane but still held everyone up. In the end I had to pass them using the left hand lane and just pray that they didn't wander over without looking, which seemed like a very real possibility.

I also hate people who drive roundabouts at speeds two or three times the legal speed limit. As if it's not hard enough to get out of your exit as is. Sorry for disgressing it. It's just something that has bugged the hell out of me over the last few days.

ytareh

Oh dont get me started !This bugs the hell out of me !And Im ashamed to admit (jeez this AND Kid Rock at Number 1 in the charts!)its a peculiarly (26 Counties)Irish problem .(Although the UK drivers do seem to be declining slightly in road courtesy/discipline in recent years )I dont know what it is in our national psyche that drives it but it does seem to be something along the lines of "F*** you !Yes I DO own the road !"It does tend to be older drivers but not exclusively so.The po faced self righteous gits will flash you or point at the speedo if you undertake them while younger folk tend to speed up as you try and undertake .Sometimes it feels soooo tempting to ram them up the ar5e its scary...(Or drive in front of THEM at 20mph?)The Italian situation described earlier in thread seems perfectly reasonable -if I was doing 240kmh in the outside lane Id flash anybody stupid enough to pull out or loiter in front of me also.The American undertaking system does seem fundamentally scary ...especially for learners Id bet who have no 'safe'slow lane but then any three lane road here like that between Naas and Newlands Cross,Dublin may as well be an American road for the amount of undertaking that goes on and has to be done ...I dont know whether the outside lane hogger is to be more reviled or pitied when s/hes on a three lane road ....Pathetic!Flogging's too good for them!

Quint

Henry Ford III wrote: »

1/. You never have to undertake.

2/. Undertaking is dangerous never mind illegal. Perhaps you need a refresher on the ROTR yourself?

I know it's frustrating when other drivers do not follow the rules, but you cannot, even momentarily, choose to deliberately not follow them yourself.

Bu that logic if someone is doing 80kph in the right hand lane and won't move over, both lanes are stuck doing 80kph behind the idiot in both lanes.

Seth Brundle

I hate it when people feel the need to pass me on the left making my journey even more dangerous. Its bad enough for them to get road rage behind me and beep and flash (are they trying to make me crash?) but to speed past when I'm driving comfortably at the limit-10% really pisses me off! I pay my taxes so I'm not going to be bullied!
Grow up you boy racers!

Henry Ford III

Quint wrote: »

Bu that logic if someone is doing 80kph in the right hand lane and won't move over, both lanes are stuck doing 80kph behind the idiot in both lanes.

Yep. According to advanced driver book (IAM) that's exactly what you should do.

Steve

kbannon wrote: »

I hate it when people feel the need to pass me on the left making my journey even more dangerous. Its bad enough for them to get road rage behind me and beep and flash (are they trying to make me crash?) but to speed past when I'm driving comfortably at the limit-10% really pisses me off! I pay my taxes so I'm not going to be bullied!
Grow up you boy racers!

+1
It's just so inconsiderate, especially when they have their fog lights on...:mad:

(ibtl?)

ytareh

@ KBANNON

"I hate it when people feel the need to pass me on the left making my journey even more dangerous. Its bad enough for them to get road rage behind me and beep and flash (are they trying to make me crash?) but to speed past when I'm driving comfortably at the limit-10% really pisses me off! I pay my taxes so I'm not going to be bullied!
Grow up you boy racers!"


You are obviously EXACTLY the sort of person being discussed in this thread.Now a few reasonable questions ...Who gives you the right to decide that 10% under the limit is the 'correct ' speed to drive at and none shall dare pass you ?How would you feel if two old dears /a pair of lorries /caravans etc drove at 20mph in front of you and you couldnt drive at the speed YOU wanted?Why,why ,oh why,WHY wont you just pull in if not when you are meant to after overtaking (its not called the 'overtaking lane' for fun) at the very least when you see someone coming up behind you (NB not 20 seconds after they are on your rear bumper).
Apart from very selfish psychotic reasons I can envision one or two others for right lane hoggers not moving into the left eg "Im afraid I wont be able to get out again" or "Im turning right up ahead ...eh 5 miles up ahead"If everybody used proper lane discipline (something most of us have probably literally never heard of ) none of this would be an issue.

mthd

ytareh wrote: »

@ KBANNON

"I hate it when people feel the need to pass me on the left making my journey even more dangerous. Its bad enough for them to get road rage behind me and beep and flash (are they trying to make me crash?) but to speed past when I'm driving comfortably at the limit-10% really pisses me off! I pay my taxes so I'm not going to be bullied!
Grow up you boy racers!"


You are obviously EXACTLY the sort of person being discussed in this thread.Now a few reasonable questions ...Who gives you the right to decide that 10% under the limit is the 'correct ' speed to drive at and none shall dare pass you ?How would you feel if two old dears /a pair of lorries /caravans etc drove at 20mph in front of you and you couldnt drive at the speed YOU wanted?Why,why ,oh why,WHY wont you just pull in if not when you are meant to after overtaking (its not called the 'overtaking lane' for fun) at the very least when you see someone coming up behind you (NB not 20 seconds after they are on your rear bumper).
Apart from very selfish psychotic reasons I can envision one or two others for right lane hoggers not moving into the left eg "Im afraid I wont be able to get out again" or "Im turning right up ahead ...eh 5 miles up ahead"If everybody used proper lane discipline (something most of us have probably literally never heard of ) none of this would be an issue.

Seth Brundle

ytareh wrote: »

@ KBANNON

"I hate it when people feel the need to pass me on the left making my journey even more dangerous. Its bad enough for them to get road rage behind me and beep and flash (are they trying to make me crash?) but to speed past when I'm driving comfortably at the limit-10% really pisses me off! I pay my taxes so I'm not going to be bullied!
Grow up you boy racers!"


You are obviously EXACTLY the sort of person being discussed in this thread.Now a few reasonable questions ...Who gives you the right to decide that 10% under the limit is the 'correct ' speed to drive at and none shall dare pass you ?How would you feel if two old dears /a pair of lorries /caravans etc drove at 20mph in front of you and you couldnt drive at the speed YOU wanted?Why,why ,oh why,WHY wont you just pull in if not when you are meant to after overtaking (its not called the 'overtaking lane' for fun) at the very least when you see someone coming up behind you (NB not 20 seconds after they are on your rear bumper).
Apart from very selfish psychotic reasons I can envision one or two others for right lane hoggers not moving into the left eg "Im afraid I wont be able to get out again" or "Im turning right up ahead ...eh 5 miles up ahead"If everybody used proper lane discipline (something most of us have probably literally never heard of ) none of this would be an issue.

I agree - its shocking when someone admits to this. Being are a motors mod just rubs salt in the wounds.
If only he had posted a smiley to make it all funny!

peasant

kbannon ...you're just angling for another feedback thread

Seth Brundle

third time's a charm

unkel

peasant and kbannon banned for trolling

Heroditas

ytareh wrote: »

The American undertaking system does seem fundamentally scary ...especially for learners Id bet who have no 'safe'slow lane but then any three lane road here like that between Naas and Newlands Cross,Dublin may as well be an American road for the amount of undertaking that goes on and has to be done ...I dont know whether the outside lane hogger is to be more reviled or pitied when s/hes on a three lane road ....Pathetic!Flogging's too good for them!

It's fundamentally necessary in places like California. Cars are going at a minimum of 80mph, i.e. 130kmph on the freeways ... across all 6 lanes.

If you go too slow, the cops will pull you over and give you a ticket for holding people up.

Anyway, in Californai, everyone drives an automatic. They pass the test within a week, they go out on the road and learn the hard way. For some reason, they pick it up quicker over there. Maybe it's the
excellent layout of roads and junctions and also excellent road markings.

jimmycrackcorm

I wonder if it is illegal to modify your headlights to flash alternatively like the Garda cars - that might help the clegs move to the left.

jtbub15

kbannon wrote: »

I hate it when people feel the need to pass me on the left making my journey even more dangerous. Its bad enough for them to get road rage behind me and beep and flash (are they trying to make me crash?) but to speed past when I'm driving comfortably at the limit-10% really pisses me off! I pay my taxes so I'm not going to be bullied!
Grow up you boy racers!

This is exactly what I was talking about when I posted this thread!! Why not just move over???We pay taxes to so why should we be stuck behind you (not you personally but people who do that)?

Vertakill

I have 2 recent pet hates that are happening to me daily as of late.

1. When you're at the bottom of a slip lane to merge onto a dual carriageway (mostly at Liffey Valley after coming off M50), and the traffic is going very slowly and you're waiting for a courteous person to let you join/merge into the traffic.... when the person behind you lunges into the gap that someone has made for you and then pushes right up to the bumper of the car in front, leaving you nowhere to go...
(This happened to me yesterday by a guy who was talking on his mobile, who proceeded to then lunge out into the moving traffic of the overtaking lane shortly after.

2. When you're at the bottom of a slip lane about to merge onto a dual carriageway/motorway and the traffic is moving fairly smoothly. The lane you're merging into is completely empty for a bit, but there's a lot of cars flying along down the overtaking lane.
You start moving to merge but, for some ridiculous reason someone in the overtaking lane decides to (without indicating) switch into the lane you're merging into. Meaning you both meet eachother side by side in the same lane... Most of the time they're doing this to undertake or because several miles down the line they're taking a left, but it's inexcusable to switch lanes at 50mph directly parallel to a car merging. There's no reason why this driver can't switch lane (well) BEFORE the traffic starts to merge, or after it when it's safe.

Zube

Panda Moanium wrote: »

Only to see in my mirrors the car I had just overtaken return to its previous position in the overtaking lane!

Mad, isn't it? I've seen this idiotic behaviour nearly every day since the new N6 HQDC to Athlone opened.

BTW, no-one, and I mean no-one, is paying the slightest bit of attention to the ridiculous 100 km/h speed limit on this road. A lot of people are exceeding the 120 limit we expect to be introduced in September, too. Years of pent-up frustration from queueing in Moate, I think.

craichoe

Its strange but ever since I left Ireland i have a different complaint ..

The dick who decides to pull out when your doing 220 kp/h in the fast lane for no particular reason, and indicated AFTER he/she has pulled out nearly made me brown my pants ! :P

Steve

craichoe wrote: »

Its strange but ever since I left Ireland i have a different complaint ..

The dick who decides to pull out when your doing 220 kp/h in the fast lane for no particular reason, and indicated AFTER he/she has pulled out nearly made me brown my pants ! :P

That's standard practice in Ireland as well

MSM = Manoeuvre - Signal - Mirror...:rolleyes:

faceman

cml387 wrote: »

Having recently driven in northern Italy, it is appalling what goes on.
Tailgaiting at high speed, and woe betide you if you venture into the overtaking lane when some stallion in an Alpha Romeo will vigourosly start flashing his lights from a kilometre back to get you out of his way.

We aren't all that bad.

The difference is that the Italians know how to use motorways and dual carriageways. While i dont agree with tailgating, you dont see any lane hoggers thus less road rage

mcwhirter

cml387 wrote: »

Down here in cork/tipp where there is an increasing amount of motorway mileage, I see few examples of poor motorway driving.

Having recently driven in northern Italy, it is appalling what goes on.
Tailgaiting at high speed, and woe betide you if you venture into the overtaking lane when some stallion in an Alpha Romeo will vigourosly start flashing his lights from a kilometre back to get you out of his way.

We aren't all that bad.

Lived in Italy for a while and it is like driving in slow motion in Ireland compared to Italy. They drive so much faster on the motorways.
Generally though I found them to be good drivers as a whole unlike here where the standard is fairly poor.

ytareh

@VERTAKILL
"When you're at the bottom of a slip lane about to merge onto a dual carriageway/motorway and the traffic is moving fairly smoothly. The lane you're merging into is completely empty for a bit, but there's a lot of cars flying along down the overtaking lane.
You start moving to merge but, for some ridiculous reason someone in the overtaking lane decides to (without indicating) switch into the lane you're merging into. Meaning you both meet eachother side by side in the same lane... "

In the UK theres usually a barrier or even wall a couple of hundred metres up the road from main road/motorway or even petrol station 'merging lanes'/'on ramps'.If this were the case here the crashed cars where people refused to move out to let them out would be stacked up into the air.Its like the exact opposite of a fast lane hogger but a similar ,maybe even more dangerous kind of ignorance.

L-M

Ignore, clicked on wrong thread

Darragh29

ronoc wrote: »

You are accomplishing nothing by posting about stuff like this.

The sooner you learn to to calm down and adapt to other less skilled or ignorant road users the better. There are bad drivers out there and there always will. boo hoo, who cares, just deal with it like other sane road users.

The best thing you can do for your own driving is learn to adapt to other drivers behaviour and not get so wound up about it.

+1. Learn to be a bit more patient. This topic has been threaded to death on here...

Darragh29

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

I wonder if it is illegal to modify your headlights to flash alternatively like the Garda cars - that might help the clegs move to the left.

I think you just found a loophole! I totally disagree with a driver flashing but I like the idea of a loophole!