3-Day week question

cadrjr

I think there is a distinct chance that I may be put on a 3-day week by my employer due to lack of business.

Can someone please summarize what dole I will be entitled to etc ... I want to work out how this is going to hit me financially ...

R

helimachoptor

cadrjr wrote: »

I think there is a distinct chance that I may be put on a 3-day week by my employer due to lack of business.

Can someone please summarize what dole I will be entitled to etc ... I want to work out how this is going to hit me financially ...

R

No dole i'm afraid, it's just like your working part time... you just have full time bills to pay.

leeroybrown

helimachoptor wrote: »

No dole i'm afraid, it's just like your working part time... you just have full time bills to pay.

As far as I know you're wrong about that.

As the OP would have been placed on 'short time leave' they should be able to claim that they have a substantial loss of employment (more than one day in a six day period) and as such claim Jobseeker's Benefit (not Allowance) based on their PRSI payments. Off hand I think it would be calculated based on the social welfare six day week (Mon-Sat) and would result in '3 x (1/6 of JB)' so it'll probably be worth just under €100 assuming they meet all the other qualifications. There will be other procedural stuff involved probably including a 'short time leave' form from the employer.

OP. The Social Welfare Office will be able to give you their version of the correct answer.

Climate Expert

helimachoptor wrote: »

No dole i'm afraid, it's just like your working part time... you just have full time bills to pay.

More terrible Boards.ie advice.

If you don't know what you are talking about then maybe you should leave the keyboard alone.

helimachoptor

Climate Expert wrote: »

More terrible Boards.ie advice.

If you don't know what you are talking about then maybe you should leave the keyboard alone.

nothing about claiming the dole in here...

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/categories/employment/unemployment-and-redundancy/redundancy/lay-off-short-time-working-and-redundancy/?searchterm=short%20time

Information

Redundancy occurs when you lose your job due to the closure of a business or a reduction of the workforce. This can happen due to lack of work available or the financial circumstances of the firm.
Alternatively an employer can lay you off or put you on short time for a number of weeks.
A lay-off situation arises where your employer is unable to provide work for you, but believes this to be a temporary situation and gives you notice to this effect before the cessation of your work.
A short-time situation arises where, due to a reduction in the amount of work to be done, your pay or hours are less than half the normal weekly amount. This must be a temporary situation and your employer must give you notice to this effect before the reduction starts.

Rules

If a lay-off or a short-time situation exists and has continued for four weeks or more, or for six weeks in the last 13 weeks, you may give your employer a notice in writing of your intention to claim redundancy under the Redundancy Payments Acts 1967-2007. You must do this no later than four weeks after the period of lay off or short time has ended.
Unless your employer gives you a counter-notice within seven days of your notice, you may be entitled to a redundancy payment provided that you qualify for redundancy. If your employer gives you a counter-notice within the allotted time, it must be to the effect that within four weeks of the date of your claim for redundancy, it will be possible to offer you not less than 13 weeks work without lay off or short time.
You should note that if you claim redundancy in this way you are considered to have left your job voluntarily and therefore you will lose any right to notice from your employer under the Minimum Notice and Terms of Employment Acts 1973-2001.
Redundancy payment when on short time

If you have been put on short time and then are made redundant your redundancy payment may be based on your pay for a full week. It has been the view of the Employment Appeals Tribunal that when a person is put on short time, that is, less than half their normal weekly earnings, the gross wage for the calculation of a redundancy lump sum is based on a full week's pay.
Seasonal workers

In the case of workers who have been laid off for an average period of more than 12 weeks during the four years prior to redundancy, the provisions relating to lay off above will not apply until the end of that average period. If you are a seasonal worker, therefore, there will normally be no question of redundancy until the usual commencement time of your seasonal work. If you are not then re-employed, the question of redundancy arises, but not until then.

leeroybrown

The qualification is by becoming 'partly unemployed', meaning that you have no work for three or more days in the six day period. When an employee is in a 'short time' situation they are classed as having the substantial loss of employment so they can claim. The OP would obviously have to meet the other criteria.

The OP might also be able to make a Jobseeker's Allowance claim on the same basis if they use up all their Jobseeker's Benefit.

Devilman

No dole i'm afraid, it's just like your working part time... you just have full time bills to pay

This is bad advice, also it is not redundancy/termination of employment, therefore it is classed as a substantial loss of employment.

Taken from DSFA website

SUBSTANTIAL LOSS OF EMPLOYMENT
To qualify for JB (Jobseekers Benefit), a person must sustain a substantial loss of employment. A person is regarded as having sustained a substantial loss of employment if s/he has lost at least one day of insurable employment in any period of 6 days as an officer of the Minister may determine, provided his/her reckonable earnings or reckonable income are reduced as a consequence of the loss of employment. In short, the number of days worked in any JB week (i.e. Thurs - Wed) must be less than the normal number of days worked prior to the date of claim.

A person whose employment has terminated and is now fully unemployed will obviously satisfy the substantial loss rule. However, where the person continues to work for at least one day per week, the position must be determined by reference to the circumstances of the case.

Following this there are several conditions to be filled.

OP My advice would echo that of leeroybrown, if this is to happen go to your local Social Welfare Office they will advise you of your options.

helimachoptor

Apologies OP, I have been proven wrong, I blame the CIB website!