Italian Army On The Streets Of Italy

AircraftTechie

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/italian-army-sent-streets

Is it about time we followed suit and got the Army into major trouble spots as an aid/deterrent it is very clear An Garda Siochana are powerless to stop these scumbags all you have to do is listen to people on the radio in fear for their lives? The Italian Army do not have the power of arrest but have the power to detain/question anybody they think is up to no good and all in the Police as and when needed, already Italan people are saying they feel safer with the Army on the streets curbing alot of criminal activity especially Organised Crime.

Perhaps this should be considered an option?

biko

Italian Army On The Streets Of Italy has been discussed in Politics.

I personally would rather have more trained police officers on the streets than military. They are OK to guard money transport but to deal with public situations, hell no.
Can you see soldiers breaking up fights in the park, dealing with distraught victims of crime/violence or chasing people down the street?
All soldiers are good for is to threaten violence, in my opinion.

brianthebard

Fcuking fascists.

daveharnett

The army do not have the authority or training to police civillians.

I understand the idea of putting more uniforms on the street, but uniforms with rifles and smgs, untrained in public order and with no legal authority to do anything...

Also consider the practical problems. How would a soldier physically break up a street brawl, given that he has a bloody great gun across his chest? Shoot them?

kayos

So with all the peace keeping the Irish Army do they have no training in dealing with the general public? Seems odd to me.

The only places I could see this being of any use would be in the hot spots for the gang crap going on in Dublin/Limerick etc. But then again would not be overlly happy with that as where do you draw the line.

You Suck!

I wouldn't be too keen to follow the Italians examples on much other then supercars, food and women. We are talking about a country where judges get murdered, corruption is endemic with a real criminal edge to it and where relatives of the Mussolini family still run rampant in politics touting the same shít grandaddy did.

That said, we do need a custom built solution to our problems on poor estates. I'd tend to go along the lines of a squad half way between swat and riot with special powers to indemnify them from liability in certain situations.

Unfortunately, due to the current state of our legal system with regard to liability and the civil services cover ass attitude, I suggest waiting for the apocalypse or Robert DeNiro, whichever comes first.

gogglebok

AircraftTechie wrote: »

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/italian-army-sent-streets

Is it about time we followed suit and got the Army into major trouble spots as an aid/deterrent it is very clear An Garda Siochana are powerless to stop these scumbags all you have to do is listen to people on the radio in fear for their lives? The Italian Army do not have the power of arrest but have the power to detain/question anybody they think is up to no good and all in the Police as and when needed, already Italan people are saying they feel safer with the Army on the streets curbing alot of criminal activity especially Organised Crime.

Perhaps this should be considered an option?

Have you ever seen the army? They're very sweet, but they don't exactly radiate the keen wit and discrimination to detect crime. As for deterrence, it just doesn't work like that. In any riot a bunch of soldiers would be just twelve more targets to fling bottles at.

Earthhorse

Wait a minute, the Italians are invading Italy? I knew if we took our eyes off them even for a minute they'd get up to no good!

Mr.S wrote: »

makes the streets look horrrible aswell, big green guys with guns? No, tanks!

FYP

kayos wrote: »

So with all the peace keeping the Irish Army do they have no training in dealing with the general public? Seems odd to me.

It's a different kind of training.

You Suck! wrote: »

That said, we do need a custom built solution to our problems on poor estates. I'd tend to go along the lines of a squad half way between swat and riot with special powers to indemnify them from liability in certain situations.

We should just hold off until there's a massive radiation spill or something. Someone's bound to develop superpowers in the aftermath.

Lockstep

Soldiers are trained to kill people.

Asking them to regulate civilian society is a bad idea.

Terry

You Suck! wrote: »

I wouldn't be too keen to follow the Italians examples on much other then supercars, food and women. We are talking about a country where judges get murdered, corruption is endemic with a real criminal edge to it and where relatives of the Mussolini family still run rampant in politics touting the same shít grandaddy did.

That said, we do need a custom built solution to our problems on poor estates. I'd tend to go along the lines of a squad half way between swat and riot with special powers to indemnify them from liability in certain situations.

Unfortunately, due to the current state of our legal system with regard to liability and the civil services cover ass attitude, I suggest waiting for the apocalypse or Robert DeNiro, whichever comes first.

Poor estates?
Please elaborate.

Wazdakka

I dont think that the "shock factor" that having TEH ARMY on the streets would have too much of an effect on the irish mentality..

I'd say if enough people were determined to cause a ruckous the army would do little more than provide a very big unified green target for things to be thrown at..

The general population know damn well that they wont start shooting people unless they were shot at... even then theyd prob go for non lethal force.

Best to keep the army out of internal civil affairs unless its a LAST resort imo..

Mr. CooL ICE

Mr.S wrote: »

is that a joke? i dunno about you but if i saw some big ****er with a rifle telling me to stop fighting or whatever, id stop..

But scumbags know their rights all too well, and would know the soldier wouldn't (shouldn't) shoot.

Pompey Magnus

Earthhorse wrote: »

Wait a minute, the Italians are invading Italy? I knew if we took our eyes off them even for a minute they'd get up to no good!

Knowing the less than impressive military history of the Italian state I'm guessing they will probably be defeated here as well and get kicked out.

telemachus

Living in Rome at the moment, the addition of military on the streets isn't exactly the equivalent to the jump it would be back in Dublin. They aren't dressed in combats, and they just carry a pistol, the same as the rest of the police here. And each one is paired with a carabinieri (who in the ridiculously complicated Italian system of half a million police variants are actually part of the military themselves, shiny boots and flash cars ).

It's more or less just pr, the latest mayor got elected recently ranting endlessly about chaos in the streets and the likelihood of being murdered 7 times and raped 16 times on your daily commute. Also it's not all that dramatic when every second building in the city centre is fronted with uniformed carabinieri with gigantic machine guns channeling Rambo in shiny boots.

robby^5

Putting soldiers on the streets who are armed kind of defeats the point of having an unarmed Police Force, it would make the whole idea redundant.

What can soldiers do that the Gardai cant? They cant arrest people, so short of actually just being there as a show of force (basically intimidating the scumbags) they can do **** all really.

TerrorFirmer

One yob will throw a stone and half of them will drop their guns and run away.

Winters

Are they helping Berlusconi's block of the pirate bay?

biko

What we need in the pale is Judge Dredd!

Silenceisbliss

frankly, Im amazed... (albeit disgusted and appauled), but non the less amazed that this thread hasnt yet turned into a ravanous display of how the irish army should annihilate the majority of limerick.

shame on you all!
:pac:

Red Alert

I think the army could/should be brought in under the piece of legislation better known as the 'riot act'.

I'd be also on for expanding the army to guard things like the Airport as well, where there's a real threat to the nation.

Winters

Silenceisbliss wrote: »

frankly, Im amazed... (albeit disgusted and appauled), but non the less amazed that this thread hasnt yet turned into a ravanous display of how the irish army should annihilate the majority of limerick.

shame on you all!
:pac:

That would involve people actually giving a **** about limerick

seamus

Mr.S wrote: »

is that a joke? i dunno about you but if i saw some big ****er with a rifle telling me to stop fighting or whatever, id stop..

As soon as the usual scumbags realised that the guns would be for nothing (i.e. there is no way in hell a member of the Army could even fire their weapon in public, let alone fire *at* someone), they'd just ignore them/attack them/piss on them.

The primary deterrent for our scumbags however is visibility. If someone is watching, they're less likely to do anything.

I would support having members of the army on unarmed patrol in the city (after a certain amount of appropriate training), provided that it was a temporary measure to support Garda numbers. It would also be good if they weren't in full combat gear, as that's just unfriendly for tourists.

telemachus

Forget not being able/willing to shoot people, over here the carabinieri are so badass they shoot people accidently from time to time, you know, just to keep the rest on their toes. The last one was that unfortunate Lazio fan, apparently the masterful carabinieri was jogging along, whipped out his pistol and fired a warning shot in the air, and then accidently fired again as he huffed and puffed, hitting some unfortunate bastard sitting in a car 200 feet away.

So yeah, the answer is military on the street in Dublin, but only if they sporadicly shoot people just to show they're serious.

flanum

Organised crime in Italy? nooooo! well i never!

Poccington

Red Alert wrote: »

I'd be also on for expanding the army to guard things like the Airport as well, where there's a real threat to the nation.

Now, you're assuming that it's not protected

Poccington

kayos wrote: »

So with all the peace keeping the Irish Army do they have no training in dealing with the general public? Seems odd to me.

Yes we do.

Poccington

gogglebok wrote: »

Have you ever seen the army? They're very sweet, but they don't exactly radiate the keen wit and discrimination to detect crime. As for deterrence, it just doesn't work like that. In any riot a bunch of soldiers would be just twelve more targets to fling bottles at.

Wow, that's quite the Army you describe. I must have joined a completely different organisation.

As for the riot situation, Irish troops have already proven themselves as highly capable of dealing with public order situations. You really should try and come up with some facts, rather than silly statements

TripleAce

It think it is a great idea - however they should be allowed to have "freedom of shooting" against scumbag and be offered a bonus for each one they put down.

The good old Benito is finally back

biko

Poccington wrote: »

Irish troops have already proven themselves as highly capable of dealing with public order situations.

Are we talking about crowd control in Dublin or Chad?

ART6

Surely there is a clear distinction here. The Army has the task of defending the state against agressors. The police have the task of keeping the peace within the state. If the two are ever allowed to mix then sooner or later soldiers will be faced with the question of do they fire upon their own countrymen, since their very presence on the streets suggests that might happen.

Poccington

biko wrote: »

Are we talking about crowd control in Dublin or Chad?

Kosovo.

For which 18 troops recieved Commendations for Bravery.

dlofnep

Italy is mental.

arybvtcw0eolkf

ART6 wrote: »

Surely there is a clear distinction here. The Army has the task of defending the state against agressors. The police have the task of keeping the peace within the state. If the two are ever allowed to mix then sooner or later soldiers will be faced with the question of do they fire upon their own countrymen, since their very presence on the streets suggests that might happen.

We 'mix' all the time, ie Cash in Transit, Prisoner escorts, Explosive escorts. We also back the police in other area's, but more common recently is providing escorts for Gardai dealing with the increase in Gangland using pipe bombs and other ordnance against their rivals.

I could also include Gardai back up on fisheries patrols and other navy duties.

The Defence Forces are an aid to the civil powers in this country and can be, and have been called to assist in civil disorder.

We've also vast experience in dealing with civil disorder in places as wide and varied as Lebanon, Kosovo, disarming armed elements in East Timor & Liberia

The list is long.

But using the army here in our cities is a long way off. But the army would be extremly effective in cordoning off whole area's and conducting searches in those area's.

And when armed, a soldier in this country is legally entitled to discharge his/her weapon to protect his/her own life, the life of their comrades and a host of other situations which I won't go into here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YM1Vbs5L0t4