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Tricolor on swim cap not allowed?

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  • 10-08-2008 1:24pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 55,640 ✭✭✭✭


    I just heard the Irish swimmers cannot wear the tricolor on their swim caps. Any verification on this and any reasons known as to why

    Thanks


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,064 ✭✭✭minxie


    heard peter collins on about that on rte earlier, seemingly the shamrock logo on swim hats was too big... sounds mad but true


  • Registered Users Posts: 39,330 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    walshb wrote: »
    I just heard the Irish swimmers cannot wear the tricolor on their swim caps. Any verification on this and any reasons known as to why

    Thanks
    Its not that they "can't" wear it. Its that the logo was outside the regulation sizes.
    Sure most of the swimmers are only there for expierence. A training aid for 2012


  • Registered Users Posts: 55,640 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    That's a bit Irish alright!
    That should have been known prior to going to Beijing.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,064 ✭✭✭minxie


    walshb wrote: »
    That's a bit Irish alright!
    That should have been known prior to going to Beijing.
    can they not send some new ones out....


  • Registered Users Posts: 422 ✭✭Nonmonotonic


    Rule 51 of the Olympic charter apparently. Cant see how a country rather than sponsor emblem violates the rule(page 99).

    There are even more sinister implications of this rule.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 39,330 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    lol, considering that half the swimmign events are over with the rest over the next two days, they'd hardly make it in time


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 761 ✭✭✭dedon


    The Official responsible for this major fock up should be sacked immediately or else resign. We are a laughing stock. This is so typical Irish.

    It is SO unfair on the swimmers. Some idiot official getting a free trip and so on and they cant even read the rules!!

    Who is the kit manager?? Name and shame!!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,382 ✭✭✭dabbler2004


    From what I heard on the radio it was something to do with the brand name being on the cap twice which is against rule 1.1 on page 99 (as per Nonmonotonic's post above)


  • Registered Users Posts: 78 ✭✭cri


    Sarah Keane is CEO of Swin Ireland and she carries the can, please email her with your thoughts on the hat:

    ceo@swimireland.ie

    She is 100% responsible for the cock up and it was the reason for Nocher having to stop mid swim. She was given an oversized hat as her one was deemed illegal. This meant her googles slipped down.

    Regardless of how stupid the rule is the fact is 202 nations got it right and we didn't. At first I thought she was an idiot for stopping but knowing what happened Keane should now resign.

    Don't let Keane away with it, fire off emails and support Nocher.

    KEANE OUT


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,920 ✭✭✭cee_jay


    From what I heard on the radio it was something to do with the brand name being on the cap twice which is on page 99 rule 1.1 (as per Nonmonotonic's post above)

    Yes they just mentioned this on RTE2, apparently speedo is on the cap twice on both sides, it can only be on the cap once.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,365 ✭✭✭hunnymonster


    cri wrote: »
    Sarah Keane is CEO of Swin Ireland and she carries the can, please email her with your thoughts on the hat:

    ceo@swimireland.ie

    She is 100% responsible for the cock up and it was the reason for Nocher having to stop mid swim. She was given an oversized hat as her one was deemed illegal. This meant her googles slipped down.

    Regardless of how stupid the rule is the fact is 202 nations got it right and we didn't. At first I thought she was an idiot for stopping but knowing what happened Keane should now resign.

    Don't let Keane away with it, fire off emails and support Nocher.

    KEANE OUT

    cri. I think people on here are mature enough to read, listen to the facts as reported and make up their own minds. I don't think we need you starting a witch hunt. Personally I've not made up my mind yet. If I was about to take part in the biggest race of my life, I would take personal responsibilty of making sure my kit was functional.


  • Registered Users Posts: 269 ✭✭cyberwit


    The problem with the Irish swim hats is with the Speedo Logo on the Hat it either should not be there or is to big.
    Responsibility lies with Swim Ireland, Sports council and the Irish Olympic committee.
    It’s regrettable what happened to Melanie Nocher and given that she was given a swim hat that did not fit her was not her fault.
    I believe the Irish team is doing well.

    I believe the sports council has been given extensive funding that has allowed us to send over to Beijing a quality team. Reasonability for the equipment paid for by the Irish people lies with swim Ireland and sports council.

    Best of look to all our athletes especially Melanie Nocher and Andrew Bree in there next swimming events in Beijing.:):):)


  • Registered Users Posts: 29,293 ✭✭✭✭Mint Sauce


    cAr0l wrote: »
    Yes they just mentioned this on RTE2, apparently speedo is on the cap twice on both sides, it can only be on the cap once.

    this is what i heard as well, but rather that sending out new hats, why not just tipex it out or blank out with some sort of perminate white marker

    bit stupid to be honest that the organisers did not see this in advance and send the competitors with the correct equipment


  • Registered Users Posts: 39,330 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    cri wrote: »
    Sarah Keane is CEO of Swin Ireland and she carries the can, please email her with your thoughts on the hat:

    ceo@swimireland.ie

    She is 100% responsible for the cock up and it was the reason for Nocher having to stop mid swim. She was given an oversized hat as her one was deemed illegal. This meant her googles slipped down.
    Regardless of how stupid the rule is the fact is 202 nations got it right and we didn't. At first I thought she was an idiot for stopping but knowing what happened Keane should now resign.

    Don't let Keane away with it, fire off emails and support Nocher.

    KEANE OUT
    grow up
    She is in charge of ordering hats
    cyberwit wrote: »
    It’s regrettable what happened to Melanie Nocher and given that she was given a swim hat that did not fit her was not her fault.
    I believe the Irish team is doing well.
    The hat had nothing to do with the goggles falling down. Their are very little size variations in these hats. They are silicon and shape very well.
    Anyone who has swam in competitions knows this.
    The strap on the goggles wasn't fitted correct. and slipped down, she stopped to pull it up.
    If it was me I would of pulled them down(quicker).


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭sock puppet


    Yeah trying to get the CEO of Swim Ireland removed is stupid. They're stuggling to deal with lawsuits at the moment and it's a bit of a shambles. Maybe we should wait until the organisation's future doesn't hang by a thread to start firing CEO's over the size of an emblem.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,155 ✭✭✭juvenal


    No swimming expert here but I take an interest in it come Olympics and FINA World Championship time.

    It appears that it's a bit of a farce over the cap issue, with the OCI blaming Swim Ireland, and Swim Ireland blaming the Olympic organisers.

    As we all know the shamrock and not the tricolour is the emblem for the Irish Olympic team. Some reports I read say that there was two speedo logos, others say that the shamrock logo was too big, another report said the speedo logo was too big!

    This statement was posted on the Olympic Council of Ireland's website:
    Further to media enquiries, the OCI wish to clarify the situation regarding the shamrock on Andrew Bree's swimming cap.

    Poolside Olympic officials at the swimming venue refused to let Andrew wear his competition cap because of the size and number of the commercial logos on the item - not the shamrock symbol.

    Swim Ireland, the National Federation who are responsible for swimming performance gear, were instructed on many occasions by the OCI that the swimming gear should be unbranded - and this requirement was accepted and agreed.

    Wherever possible, the International Olympic Committee encourages all nations to maximise their national identity on all Olympic clothing equipment and accessories.They particularly encourage the use of national colours and symbols.

    According to The Examiner:
    OCI spokesman Jack McGouran said last night that Bree was entitled to wear the second [black] hat, which had been custom made by the swimwear giant.

    “Both hats are made by Speedo. Not everyone can get these specialised state-of-the-art swimming hats but one was made especially for Andrew. The Americans for example had them custom made.

    “There is no issue in this. He had done this before.”

    Anyone actually know what the f**k happened?


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,005 ✭✭✭✭Toto Wolfcastle


    juvenal wrote: »
    Anyone actually know what the f**k happened?

    I'd love to know how such a mistake could have been made. It's in the rules. Why is Ireland the only team (as far as I know) who have had to wear different caps? Why is it only Ireland that managed to get it wrong?

    I'm not going to say that whoever made the mistake is solely responsible for Nocher's loss (from watching the coverage on RTE there a few things that she could/should have done to prevent this happening) but Nocher shouldn't have had to deal with a new cap shortly before an Olympic race.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 718 ✭✭✭thirdmantackle


    the IOC are a shower of incompetent wasters. they cause half the problems - remember sonia o'sullivans problems with her gear?

    the likes of Hickey holding onto power so he gets a few junkets every year and the big one every 4 years


  • Registered Users Posts: 39,330 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    janeybabe wrote: »
    I'd love to know how such a mistake could have been made. It's in the rules. Why is Ireland the only team (as far as I know) who have had to wear different caps? Why is it only Ireland that managed to get it wrong?

    I'm not going to say that whoever made the mistake is solely responsible for Nocher's loss (from watching the coverage on RTE there a few things that she could/should have done to prevent this happening) but Nocher shouldn't have had to deal with a new cap shortly before an Olympic race.
    I disagree with this. It was know days before, not shortly, she was in the water between finding out and racing, more than once i'd say.
    One of the papers blamed the hat for the goggles coming off. I think thats just speculation.


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,005 ✭✭✭✭Toto Wolfcastle


    Mellor wrote: »
    I disagree with this. It was know days before, not shortly, she was in the water between finding out and racing, more than once i'd say.
    One of the papers blamed the hat for the goggles coming off. I think thats just speculation.

    Fair enough, then my above point stands, there are things she could have done to prevent it happening. Thanks for the correction.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 400 ✭✭el_tiddlero


    Mellor wrote: »
    One of the papers blamed the hat for the goggles coming off. I think thats just speculation.

    that's what the girl herself said. go watch her being interviewed before you damn her. she did awesomely to come 7th given that she stopped for 2-3 seconds.. it was only her practice event too, so she'll come good.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,314 ✭✭✭secman


    On Liveline now, a french guy in Galway re designed the Irish swim cap and got in touch with a chinese Manufacturer , who made 9 caps and flew them from one end of China to the other, what a story ! This guy could organise it in a couple of days and we cocked it up with 4 years preparation !


    Secman


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25 the_brain


    secman wrote: »
    On Liveline now, a french guy in Galway re designed the Irish swim cap and got in touch with a chinese Manufacturer , who made 9 caps and flew them from one end of China to the other, what a story ! This guy could organise it in a couple of days and we cocked it up with 4 years preparation !

    dont know if anyone actually saw it.... but bree wore the black one again (presumably the one thats specially made for him)... was kinda funny john kenny and nick o'hare were going on about how he was going to were an irish hat then they were speechless

    ...and so the hat debacle continues but as far as im concerned it would be great to see him wear an irish hat but to swim that well this morn he should just wear whatever is most comfortable to him


  • Registered Users Posts: 101 ✭✭a123


    Hi,
    From what I have heard Andrew Bree received the new hats, his Dad thanked Seb Locteau on RTE radio news today, they are standard size, which didn't fit as tight as he would like so chose to wear his custom made black cap over it to ensure he had no problems, which I think is understandable seeing as this is the the biggest swim of his career. I think Andrew has done brilliantly and wish him all the best in the semifinal, and I think Seb Locteau was brilliant to get him replacement caps at such short notice according to an article on runireland he was only contacted on Sunday evening which didn't give much time to gets hats made and delivered.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,155 ✭✭✭juvenal


    a123 wrote: »
    Hi,
    From what I have heard Andrew Bree received the new hats, his Dad thanked Seb Locteau on RTE radio news today, they are standard size, which didn't fit as tight as he would like so chose to wear his custom made black cap over it to ensure he had no problems, which I think is understandable seeing as this is the the biggest swim of his career. I think Andrew has done brilliantly and wish him all the best in the semifinal, and I think Seb Locteau was brilliant to get him replacement caps at such short notice according to an article on runireland he was only contacted on Sunday evening which didn't give much time to gets hats made and delivered.

    Fair play; Bree needs a massive performance in the semi-final tonight, which he's capable of, but of course he should wear whatever he's comfortable with and will suit him best.

    He'll wear the Irish cap underneath, so when he wins silver in the final, he can whip off the black cap to celebrate!:D


  • Registered Users Posts: 39,330 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    that's what the girl herself said. go watch her being interviewed before you damn her. she did awesomely to come 7th given that she stopped for 2-3 seconds.. it was only her practice event too, so she'll come good.

    She was likely embarrassed, there is no way she only found out just before the race. We knew here on saturday.

    I'm still not convinced the hat had anything to do with it, it might have.
    Any time it happened to me it was becasue of a badly placed strap (very hard to tell if its not ok when at the blocks)

    Different papers reporting both sides.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,365 ✭✭✭hunnymonster


    Well done Seb. From other dealings with him, I have to say I rate him highly as a sportsman and professional. He even posts on boards occasionally!


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,153 ✭✭✭Rented Mule


    cri wrote: »
    Sarah Keane is CEO of Swin Ireland and she carries the can, please email her with your thoughts on the hat:

    ceo@swimireland.ie

    She is 100% responsible for the cock up and it was the reason for Nocher having to stop mid swim. She was given an oversized hat as her one was deemed illegal. This meant her googles slipped down.


    In all fairness, her goggles falling down were not because of the cap that she was wearing. That is a cheap excuse. I was a competitive swimmer for the better part of 20 years as well as a coach for 10. This is the first thing you teach kids when they are starting out.

    The cock-up with the caps being illegal is unforgivable, and Sarah Keane's head should role. It is an embarassment to this country.


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