DVD Collection

segasega

I am moving house soon and would really like to start a movie collection, as Ill have the space now.

Question is though, will I start a DVD collection or will I just start buying blu-ray. But the way I see it, is that most of the films I like are old 60s,70s and 80s movies so can the quality of them really get much better than a dvd?

Ye I might get 10 hours of extras on a blu-ray but besides that can old movies really look that much better seeing as they were recorded 40 years ago when they didnt even know about cds yet alone dvds or blu-ray.

This question as probably come up 100 times before so sorry!

Galvasean

It's probably down to weighing up cost with use. If say the blu-ray costs €10 more than the DVD you have to ask yourself will the increase in picture resolution and extra bonus material be worth the extra cash? Kind of like choosing 1 or 2 disk DVDs. I only go for the 2 disk if the features in question actually interest me, otherwise I'll go for the cheap option.

Guy:Incognito

Why limit yourself to just one or the other?

I have about 700-800 DVDs so I'm not going to rebuy them on BR. But with new stuff I will buy iton BR if it's only a few quid more or if it's warranted (big action movies, animation etc). Really old films (80's and back) it's probably best to just stick with the DVD's , especially since they will most likely be cheap as chips.

Nolanger

There's still old movies coming out on DVD that have never been released before. How long will BluRay take to release these films - years?

segasega

Stekelly wrote: »

Why limit yourself to just one or the other?

I have about 700-800 DVDs so I'm not going to rebuy them on BR. But with new stuff I will buy iton BR if it's only a few quid more or if it's warranted (big action movies, animation etc). Really old films (80's and back) it's probably best to just stick with the DVD's , especially since they will most likely be cheap as chips.

Thats what i was thinking, buy the old stuff on dvd and new "big action" films etc. on blu-ray, cause they were made in HD in the first place! Unlike a 1960s classic!

FionnMatthew

Don't buy BluRay.

It's an intrinsically proprietary format, at the end of days when proprietary formats can even have viable business models.

At the very least, we all ought to be saying NO to such blatant and unnecessary consolidation of the entertainment industry's stranglehold on the free exchange of information. We ought to be telling them to take their filthy DRM formats and stick them where BetaMax went.

Hardcopy video is almost obsolete anyway.

Give this a read: http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=208700653

http://mostly-linux.blogspot.com/2006/06/top-5-reasons-blu-ray-will-never-be-in.html

And then this:

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/05/03/blu-ray-sales-tank-reason

And for some DRM horror stories to get us in the SONY mood:
http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2005/11/03/sony-drm-is-worse-than-you-might-think
http://blogs.technet.com/markrussinovich/archive/2005/10/31/sony-rootkits-and-digital-rights-management-gone-too-far.aspx

FionnMatthew

Also, read what Bill Gates had to say about it:

Bill Gates wrote:

DP: There has been a lot of debate about the next generation Blu-ray and HD DVD technologies in recent weeks. It seems more and more companies are backing the Blu-ray standard. The current debate seems to harken back to the Betamax vs. VHS format war in the 1970s and 80s, where Betamax was ostensibly the superior technology yet it did not gain wide acceptance. Why is Microsoft not backing Blu-ray today — a technology that many consider to be superior?

Gates: Well, the key issue here is that the protection scheme under Blu-ray is very anti-consumer and there's not much visibility of that. The inconvenience is that the [movie] studios got too much protection at the expense consumers and it won't work well on PCs. You won't be able to play movies and do software in a flexible way.

It's not the physical format that we have the issue with, it's that the protection scheme on Blu is very anti-consumer. If [the Blu-ray group] would fix that one thing, you know, that'd be fine.

For us it's not the physical format. Understand that this is the last physical format there will ever be. Everything's going to be streamed directly or on a hard disk. So, in this way, it's even unclear how much this one counts.

From http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/archives/2005/10/14/news/13474.shtml

FionnMatthew

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071007-new-blu-ray-discs-with-bd-drm-failing-to-play-on-some-devices.html

Dman001

There's also option 3 which is (if you have a 360) buy the cheap HD DVD add-on and buy some cheap HD DVDs. Some HD DVDs are cheaper than some DVDs and much cheaper than Blu Ray. Your selection of HD DVDs are limited but is is a good, cheap way of watching HD movies.

Snake Plisken

Go for Blu-Ray, I don't watch DVD anymore, moving my 600 DVD's to the attic now to gather dust, Picture sound and features just make DVD look crap.

Don't mind the Gates crap he is just upset he backed the wrong format, you can use anyhddvd if you want to rip your blu-Rays to your harddrive, Gates would like us all to stream video to our Xbox360, but thats not going to happen.

segasega

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Go for Blu-Ray, I don't watch DVD anymore, moving my 600 DVD's to the attic now to gather dust, Picture sound and features just make DVD look crap.

I take it thats a joke?

Snake Plisken

segasega wrote: »

I take it thats a joke?

Nope I'm serious outside of TV series I'm not watching DVD's, I'm not going to replace all 600 with Blu-Rays, I will apply some quality control.
Currently my Blu-Ray collection stands at 85 with another 70 HD-DVD's.

If your watching your movies on a 32" TV, don't bother buying Blu-Rays as you won't see any difference, but if your TV is over 37" then you will.

Dirk_Diggler

Em, there is a difference with blu ray on a 32"?

Snake Plisken

Dirk_Diggler wrote: »

Em, there is a difference with blu ray on a 32"?

Depends on your viewing distance, if your up close you will see it, but 6-10 feet away and you won't, the OP would get away with a upscaling DVD via his PS3

FionnMatthew

Well, I think you should avoid funding an inherently closed format that has Sony written all over it.

There is absolutely no reason why the next video hard-medium must have DRM hardwired into it from the start. The SlySoft package is a workaround for something that shouldn't be there in the first place - something that is only there at the expense of the average consumer.

It's not going to replace DVD, because of all the marketing reasons cited in the articles I gave earlier.

It'll be more like a failed Sega console that is a good (if you want to call it that) blast for a few years, and then goes the way of the dinosaur, in the next five years, as HVD becomes a viable write-out format.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_Versatile_Disc

Dirk_Diggler

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Depends on your viewing distance, if your up close you will see it, but 6-10 feet away and you won't, the OP would get away with a upscaling DVD via his PS3

I watched one from about 12-15 feet away and the difference in picture quality was amazing. I've never heard anyone say what you've said about the 32" model.

Guy:Incognito

FionnMatthew wrote: »

Well, I think you should avoid funding an inherently closed format that has Sony written all over it.

There is absolutely no reason why the next video hard-medium must have DRM hardwired into it from the start. The SlySoft package is a workaround for something that shouldn't be there in the first place - something that is only there at the expense of the average consumer.

It's not going to replace DVD, because of all the marketing reasons cited in the articles I gave earlier.

It'll be more like a failed Sega console that is a good (if you want to call it that) blast for a few years, and then goes the way of the dinosaur, in the next five years, as HVD becomes a viable write-out format.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_Versatile_Disc

Yes you said already in your two posts above. Thanks now, bye.

FionnMatthew

I hadn't said all of it in the previous posts, and the above post was a response to Snake_Plisken, moderating what I'd said earlier to take account of what Snake had said.

How about you keep your curt personal dismissals to yourself, eh?

Dirk_Diggler

I love blu ray. Going to try and replace everything I've got with them.

Theboinkmaster

Dirk_Diggler wrote: »

I watched one from about 12-15 feet away and the difference in picture quality was amazing. I've never heard anyone say what you've said about the 32" model.

Really depends on the particular blu-ray - I've seen some transfers which are horrendous.

At the moment they're releasing alot of crap on it and not doing the proper job of remastering so I imagine just like the early days of DVD they'll be re-released over the next few years.

What blu-ray is missing is the killer set - if they released star was or indiana jones etc with a proper transfer and far superior extras to the DVD then people would start to take notice.

Snake Plisken

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

Really depends on the particular blu-ray - I've seen some transfers which are horrendous.

At the moment they're releasing alot of crap on it and not doing the proper job of remastering so I imagine just like the early days of DVD they'll be re-released over the next few years.

What blu-ray is missing is the killer set - if they released star was or indiana jones etc with a proper transfer and far superior extras to the DVD then people would start to take notice.

Thats true I just bought Escape from New York and there is not much improvement from the DVD, although still worth the buy for the new interview with John Carpenter.

Indiana Jones Trilogy will get a release this year in the October/November timeframe, as will the BD release of the Matrix Trilogy, and you have Iron Man being released at the end of September, plus the Dark Knight due before Xmas as well, so lots to look forward to.

MagicMarker

Illegal downloading ftw! Cost effective!

segasega

One concern I would have about blu-ray is, I like alot of old TV shows, the companies would of gone to alot of effort to re-master these shows to put onto DVD, would you think a small company would bother re-re-mastering shows again just to bring out on blu-ray?

FionnMatthew

segasega wrote: »

One concern I would have about blu-ray is, I like alot of old TV shows, the companies would of gone to alot of effort to re-master these shows to put onto DVD, would you think a small company would bother re-re-mastering shows again just to bring out on blu-ray?

I wouldn't think there's much point to remastering TV shows after DVD. They're not going to get any higher in quality, right?

Besides, most of the High Def DVD players, HDDVD and Blu-Ray, were designed to play regular DVDs too, right? So there isn't an issue: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc#Backward_compatibility

And probably the main advantage of the new formats for TV shows is the higher storage capacity. So a whole season could be on two discs, etc... It won't be a case of remastering, but just more economic packaging... And if you have the box set on regular DVD, and a Blu-Ray player, there'll be little point "upgrading" your TV-Show discs.

robby^5

I just got a PS3 myself, not too pushed about getting blu ray dvd's because they're so much more expensive... and I am I the only one put off by the blue blu-ray cases? I think they look tacky, that cheapy looking see-through plastic, It doesnt help that I hate the colour blue!

Snake Plisken

robby^5 wrote: »

I just got a PS3 myself, not too pushed about getting blu ray dvd's because they're so much more expensive... and I am I the only one put off by the blue blu-ray cases? I think they look tacky, that cheapy looking see-through plastic, It doesnt help that I hate the colour blue!

I actually prefer the design of Blu-Ray cases, although the EU ones are a bit thicker then the US ones, I hope EU decides to follow the US and use the thinner cases. Another advantage you will get more onto a shelve compared to your standard DVD case.

The Bollox

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

What blu-ray is missing is the killer set - if they released star was or indiana jones etc with a proper transfer and far superior extras to the DVD then people would start to take notice.

shush ffs! George Lucas might read that! I'd say he's gagging for a reason to release a slightly better quality 'original Star Wars trilogy' (not special edition) than the one he released only 2 years ago. I, like so many others, rushed out to but those when they were released only to be bitterly disappointed. The man is a money-hungry, fan-despising c*nt. but my god he is a marketing genious

rednik

Not many films have been made in HD, as long as they were made with 35mm and the transfer is done properly the film will look and sound a lot better on BD. I bought the searchers and the transfer is excellent. There are two types of disc used 25gb and 50gb so obviously the 50gb is going to be the best. I changed over recently and the sound in True HD and DTS HD master audio is stunning. Although my neighbours might disagree:eek::eek:.

With regards george lucas he is not a big fan of BD. Indy 4 is being released on BD but the three originals are not they are being released in a new 4 movie box set on SD DVD.

Sony have launched new players in the states which are profile 2 and anybody considering buying a BD player should wait for these type of players to come on the market although there is no release date in europe.

Snake Plisken

rednik wrote: »

Sony have launched new players in the states which are profile 2 and anybody considering buying a BD player should wait for these type of players to come on the market although there is no release date in europe.

Or just buy a PS3 which is already a Profile 2.0 machine

segasega

rednik wrote: »

With regards george lucas he is not a big fan of BD. Indy 4 is being released on BD but the three originals are not they are being released in a new 4 movie box set on SD DVD.

Whats SD DVD?

Nolanger

Ordinary standard definition.

Basq

segasega wrote: »

Whats SD DVD?

Standard Definition DVD.. an odd phrase being thrown around that's just a term used for a standard DVD (not HD).

I personally don't feel the need to specify.. but just go with 'DVD' and 'HD-DVD' meself.

Peteee

segasega wrote: »

Question is though, will I start a DVD collection or will I just start buying blu-ray. But the way I see it, is that most of the films I like are old 60s,70s and 80s movies so can the quality of them really get much better than a dvd?

To answer this, films shot 40 years will look a lot better on Blu-Ray then DVD because of the very high 'reslution' that 35mm film has. It only in the past few years that a very few number of hollywood blockbusters have been shot on digital cameras, and most is still shot on 35mm.