Any Good Home Remedies for Thrush?

JP Liz

I've tried salt and vinegar bath

Madame Razz

I've never actually suffered from thrush luckily but i did do a research project on Candida at uni.

I dont think a salt and vinegar bath would help things, i think it would aggravate it moreso than anything else.

Natural yoghurt is supposed to be good as it helps adjust the pH, but realistically, its a very voracious infection, and in a female there is usually an internal and external infection so you might be best to go the canestan cream and pessary route, its tried and tested and the agent has been around for a long time so its very safe to use.

Hope this helps!

Laurs_civic

natural youghart is the best home one or cansean duo for a medical one.

El_Dangeroso

Natural yoghurt is yer only man, get acidophilus tablets too, canesten isn't as effective as the natural stuff for some reason.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

isn't there medicine you can buy in pharmacies?

El_Dangeroso

Yep, the aformentioned cannesten duo.. but acidophilus and natural yoghurt does the exact same thing.. your choice.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

oh, sorry. I didn't see your post before I posted.

really? I like my herbs and chemicals as much as the next man, but I'd be very, very surprised to find a natural remedy that is as effective as a scientifically tested product.

still, if it works it works. *shrug*

Dizzyblonde

Natural yoghurt - put some on a tampon too

sam34

neddas wrote: »

Natural yoghurt is yer only man, get acidophilus tablets too, canesten isn't as effective as the natural stuff for some reason.

have you scientific evidence to back that up, or are you basing it on your own experience?

El_Dangeroso

sam34 wrote: »

have you scientific evidence to back that up, or are you basing it on your own experience?

Why do you want to know?

sam34

because i think that dismissing proven medical treatments and suggesting other natural remedies instead, without evidence to back it up, is wrong and should not be tolerated on this forum.

El_Dangeroso

sam34 wrote: »

because i think that dismissing proven medical treatments and suggesting other natural remedies instead, without evidence to back it up, is wrong and should not be tolerated on this forum.

Please explain why hydrocortisone is more effective than acidophilus? Plus acidophilus is a proven scientific treatment for thrush. Did the fact that noone has a patent on it upset you?

r3nu4l

neddas wrote: »

Please explain why hydrocortisone is more effective than acidophilus? Plus acidophilus is a proven scientific treatment for thrush. Did the fact that noone has a patent on it upset you?

You keep saying it's proven but don't point to any scientific evidence.
You also claim Canesten isn't as effective and don't point to any scientific evidence to show that.
Either provide proper scientific references to back up your statement or expect it to be queried again and again.

El_Dangeroso

There is no study that compares hydrocortisone to acidophilus.

Acidophilus is scientifically proven as in there is a mechanism to explain its efficacy, namely by balancing internal bacteria that enable the body to fight overgrowth of fungal infections.

I have no problem backing up what I say but I must say your tone is a bit aggressive.

Some people have their heads so stuck in Pubmed that they forget there's rarely a study to prove the bleeding obvious. Praise Science!

r3nu4l

neddas wrote: »

There is no study that compares hydrocortisone to acidophilus.

Acidophilus is scientifically proven as in there is a mechanism to explain its efficacy, namely by balancing internal bacteria that enable the body to fight overgrowth of fungal infections.

I have no problem backing up what I say but I must say your tone is a bit aggressive.

Some people have their heads so stuck in Pubmed that they forget there's rarely a study to prove the bleeding obvious. Praise Science!

I hope you are not a scientist...!

Anyway

J Antimicrob Chemother. 2006 Aug;58(2):266-72. Epub 2006 Jun 21.

Probiotics for prevention of recurrent vulvovaginal candidiasis: a review.

Falagas ME, Betsi GI, Athanasiou S.
Alfa Institute of Biomedical Sciences (AIBS) Athens, Greece. m.falagas@aibs.gr

Vulvovaginal candidiasis (VVC) is a common infection affecting the quality of life of many women. Probiotics have been investigated as possible agents for the prevention of recurrences of VVC. We reviewed the available literature. In some studies the development of VVC was associated with either a low number of lactobacilli in the vagina or with the presence of H2O2-non-producing vaginal lactobacilli, although there are a few studies not supporting these statements. In addition, in vitro studies have shown that lactobacilli can inhibit the growth of Candida albicans and/or its adherence on the vaginal epithelium. The results of some clinical trials support the effectiveness of lactobacilli, especially Lactobacillus acidophilus, Lactobacillus rhamnosus GR-1 and Lactobacillus fermentum RC-14, administered either orally or intravaginally in colonizing the vagina and/or preventing the colonization and infection of the vagina by C. albicans, while the results of a small number of clinical trials do not corroborate these findings. Nevertheless, most of the relevant clinical trials had methodological problems such as small sample size, no control group (placebo) and included women without confirmed recurrent VVC, and thus they are not reliable for drawing definitive conclusions. Thus, the available evidence for the use of probiotics for prevention of recurrent VVC is limited. However, the empirical use of probiotics may be considered in women with frequent recurrence of VVC (more than three episodes per year), especially for those who have adverse effects from or contraindications for the use of antifungal agents, since adverse effects of probiotics are very rare. In any case women should be clearly informed about the unproven usefulness of probiotics for this purpose. In conclusion, despite the promising results of some studies, further research is needed to prove the effectiveness of probiotics in preventing the recurrences of VVC and to allow their wide use for this indication.

PMID: 16790461 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

UNPROVEN!

Also, I personally know Professor Jean Pierre Lepargneur, a world expert and advocate of probiotics and he himself admits that there is a long way to go before probiotics are proven to be useful. He says that in SOME women lactobacilli are extremely useful but in the majority, they provide a temporary relief. I sat with him in an experts panel meeting in Woodlands Park Hotel in Cobham, Surrey in May this year discussing this very subject.

One problem with probiotics is that we all have different lactobacilli species in our guts. Pretty soon after birth the lactobacilli in the digestive tract of infant girls,migrate from the intestines to the vagina (nobody is quite sure yet how this happens, they suspect ano-vaginal transition). The lactobacilli used in yoghurts and probiotic drinks are not the same species as in our body and cannot colonise effectively. They may compete against Candida allowing the natural lactobacilli to re-establish but that only appears to work on a temporary basis for some women. For a lot of women it doesn't matter how much natural yoghurt they use, the Candida will still survive and grow but the cooling effect of the yoghurt will mask the itch sensation caused by Candidal proteases and phospholipases. Also, if the woman has bacterial vaginitis then adding yoghurt has no effect whatsoever.

/I'm entitled to be aggressive with people who are aggressive themselves and refuse to provide valid citation for the "facts" they spout on forums. Sorry, that's just how it is.

neddas wrote:

there's rarely a study to prove the bleeding obvious. Praise Science!

You know in the middle ages, the school of the 'bleeding obvious' as you put it, contended that humans and animals must be made from worms, because meat was often covered in maggots soon after death. It was Bleeding Obvious to them. The school of bleeding obvious is great isn't it? Same with the school of 'even the dogs in the street know that'. Who needs proof or valid experimentation when 'everyone knows that'? :rolleyes:

El_Dangeroso

Does canesten work in every single case of thrush so? I think you'll find it doesn't.

I really hope you're not a scientist either, but your arrogant tone and cavalier 'I know all' attitude suggests otherwise.

anotherlostie

I'm most intigued as to why nessad talks about hydrocortisone in the posts.

Canestan duo contains two ingredients - fluconazole in the oral treatement, and clotrimazole in the cream. Both of these are anti-fungals designed to treat the fungus causing thrush.

As these are medical treatments complete with product authorisations, the various regulatory authorities such as the IMB would have reviewed the clinical data before agreeing on the licensing of the product.

r3nu4l

neddas wrote: »

Does canesten work in every single case of thrush so? I think you'll find it doesn't.

No, it doesn't. Some strains of Candida are resistant to antifungals but this is rare. Also some cases of 'Candida' are not in fact Candida at all but other yeasts to which Canesten has limited effect. However Canesten does work far more effectively than probiotics in the vast majority of cases.

I'm sorry you think I'm arrogant. I'm not, nor do I know it all. However, I do take issue with anyone coming onto a biology forum purporting that probiotics are the equivalent or better than Canesten in treating fungal infection of the vagina. The moment it is shown that they are, I'll be backing you up but until then, it's my duty to say you are wrong and point that out so that the ignorance isn't spread further.

I'm always happy to have my own misconceptions corrected by people because when that happens, I've learned something new.

I simply got 'aggressive' with you because of your steadfast refusal to provide references for what you were saying and the fact that you deliberately avoided to do so, trying to avoid the issue. I simply called you out. Sorry if you don't like it but that's partly what this forum is about. Debate.

El_Dangeroso

Oops, checked out the wrong ingredient list.. haha...

Yes, of course canesten is tested and licenced.. when did I suggest otherwise?

You guys would want to relax a bit..instead of treating a person who has a different opinion as a troll.

Also the title of the thread is

Ant good home remedies for Thrush?

Anyway I'll just let you all sit here, stroke your beards and agree with one another shall I?

I love a good debate but this is like the third degree! I was only offering some advice on thrush treatments ffs!

GuanYin

People, let us keep it civil here.

We can discuss this from opposite points of view without trying to insult each other.

r3nu4l

neddas wrote: »

Also the title of the thread is

Ant good home remedies for Thrush?

Yes but you mentioned this below:

neddas wrote: »

Natural yoghurt is yer only man, get acidophilus tablets too, canesten isn't as effective as the natural stuff for some reason.

That's what I took issue with. An inaccurate statement that needed to be corrected. I wasn't having a go at you. Just the statement.

Then you refused to back up that statement:

sam34 wrote: »

have you scientific evidence to back that up, or are you basing it on your own experience?

neddas wrote: »

Why do you want to know?

Then you repeated that your statement was proven without providing any evidence. I was genuinely curious considering what an expert panel ahd agreed on in May, I thought you were going to reveal a new study I hadn't read.

neddas wrote: »

Please explain why hydrocortisone is more effective than acidophilus? Plus acidophilus is a proven scientific treatment for thrush. Did the fact that noone has a patent on it upset you?

The last sarcastic comment above made me call you out yet you still claimed proof without providing any citation.

neddas wrote: »

Acidophilus is scientifically proven as in there is a mechanism to explain its efficacy, namely by balancing internal bacteria that enable the body to fight overgrowth of fungal infections.

I have no problem backing up what I say but I must say your tone is a bit aggressive.

Some people have their heads so stuck in Pubmed that they forget there's rarely a study to prove the bleeding obvious. Praise Science!

So to sum up, this is a science forum, when we make claims we expect to back them up. Not backing up a claim leads to suspicion about the validity of that claim. When people ask for a citation it's always good to provide one. They will still pick holes in it, be prepared for that Scientists are fussy and like to pick holes in theories and tease out problems. I wasn't getting at you, just the claim, trying to tease it out. I'm sorry if you were offended but to be honest I was offended by your attitude and refusal to back up your claims.

GuanYin wrote: »

People, let us keep it civil here.

We can discuss this from opposite points of view without trying to insult each other.

Indeed, debate good, insults bad... I could have responded better in places but not much better.


/edit: I don't have a beard Oh, and you'll rarely find scientists who agree with one another all the time In fact put two scientists in a room and close the door and pretty soon they'll be arguing about whether there is a universe outside that door or not...

El_Dangeroso

r3nu4l wrote: »

Yes but you mentioned this below:

That's what I took issue with. An inaccurate statement that needed to be corrected. I wasn't having a go at you. Just the statement.

Then you refused to back up that statement:




Then you repeated that our statement was proven without providing any evidence. I was genuinely curious considering what an expert panel ahd agreed on in May, I thought you were going to reveal a new study I hadn't read.


The last sarcastic comment above made me call you out yet you still claimed proof without providing any citation.


So to sum up, this is a science forum, when we make claims we expect to back them up. Not backing up a claim leads to suspicion about the validity of that claim. When people ask for a citation it's always good to provide one. They will still pick holes in it, be prepared for that Scientists are fussy and like to pick holes in theories and tease out problems. I wasn't getting at you, just the claim, trying to tease it out. I'm sorry if you were offended but to be honest I was offended by your attitude and refusal to back up your claims.



Indeed, debate good, insults bad... I could have responded better in places but not much better.


/edit: I don't have a beard Oh, and you'll rarely find scientists who agree with one another all the time In fact put two scientists in a room and close the door and pretty soon they'll be arguing about whether there is a universe outside that door or not...

Ok, came to this through the main page so didn't notice I was in the science forum..

The reason I was reluctant to say it was based on my own experience is that it's embarrassing, and the way it was asked was abrupt and rude.


If you couldn't have responded much better then you'll never convince anyone of your opinion too easily, it get people's back up. There is a way of getting your point across without trying to belittle your opponent you know.

I happen to know a little about nutrition and a small bit about the endocrine system and I would've thought people on this board to be a little less hostile so I could come back and discuss things that are a little bit more in my field of expertise.

r3nu4l

neddas wrote: »

Ok, came to this through the main page so didn't notice I was in the science forum..

The reason I was reluctant to say it was based on my own experience is that it's embarrassing, and the way it was asked was abrupt and rude.


If you couldn't have responded much better then you'll never convince anyone of your opinion too easily, it get people's back up. There is a way of getting your point across without trying to belittle your opponent you know.

I happen to know a little about nutrition and a small bit about the endocrine system and I would've thought people on this board to be a little less hostile so I could come back and discuss things that are a little bit more in my field of expertise.

PM sent I'm away for a few days now

sam34

neddas wrote: »

Ok, came to this through the main page so didn't notice I was in the science forum..

The reason I was reluctant to say it was based on my own experience is that it's embarrassing, and the way it was asked was abrupt and rude.


If you couldn't have responded much better then you'll never convince anyone of your opinion too easily, it get people's back up. There is a way of getting your point across without trying to belittle your opponent you know.

I happen to know a little about nutrition and a small bit about the endocrine system and I would've thought people on this board to be a little less hostile so I could come back and discuss things that are a little bit more in my field of expertise.

in what way is asking "are you basing that on your own experience?" considered to be "abrupt and rude"? how would you prefer it had been asked - "do you mind me asking if you might ever have had thrush, im sorry now for asking something so personal, but i'd just like to know". :rolleyes:

secondly, there's a case of pot, kettle and black going on. calling people "arrogant and cavalier" could also be considered "abrupt and rude".

finally, claiming to know "a little" about nutrition and "a small bit" about the endocrine system leaves you wide open to being reminded of the old adage "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing";):D

Dizzyblonde

Ouch - we'll all need headache remedies soon

r3nu4l

Okay I'm back for a few minutes, neddas thanks for you PM reply guys, leave neddas alone (he says, now bing the second pot on-thread).

Gyan Yin is right, no need for hostilities from anyone So, home remedies? Yes, on natural yoghurt can relieve the symptoms and aid in the clearance of vaginal yeast infections. It doesn't work for all women but does for a lot. If it;s a recurrent infection (keeps coming back) then seeing a GP is the only course of action to rid yourself of the infection. Even an over-the-counter medicine may not be enough and the GP can get a proper diagnosis done for you.

serenacat

hi i was on holidays in africa and got thrush from leaving my wet bikini bottoms on for too long and was too embarrassed to go to the chemist to get proper treatment so i used tampons drenched in natural yogurt for the 2 weeks and i have to agree with your post that i ended up buying bio-fem in the chemist when i got home to clear it up. so for me natural yogurt didnt work at all! really messy and hard work not worth it.

serenacat

id just to say that i get recurring thrush and take lactobacillus acidophillus and i still get thrush

Lil' Smiler

I don't know how well it would work for Thrush but I suffer from bouts of Cystitis every now and then. I suffered from cystitis and kidney infections for 6 weeks once.. was horrible and hated being on the anti - b's

so now when i feel it coming on i bathe in essential oils.

The ones recommended for Thrush are Tea tree or Lemongrass blended with Geranium and Myrrh oil. These should be mixed with 30 mls of full fat milk and 2 drops of each oil put in...do not put more than

The purpose of each oil is that they are all good oils for anti fungal properties or anti bacterial. Aside from that..

Tea tree is also good for boosting your immune system and Geranium is nicknamed the "womans oil" as it is very balancing, very good to use for any sort of womens problems such as pms, cystitis, menopause etc