What do you pay your childminder?

MayMay

I am planning on looking for work as a childminder. I am going to meet a lady tomorrow who is looking for a childminder, full time to look after her 2 boys in their home. Just wondering what the going rate is? I have a couple of years experience in minding children but am not qualified. I've looked around online but can't seem to find much information on an hourly rate etc. Any advice would be appreciated as I know childcare costs are expensive for parents but at the same time I need to survive too so am unsure of what to expect to earn? Should I at the very least expect minimum wage per hour? Thank you.

run_Forrest_run

typically the cost may be based on a daily basis once an agreed drop off and collection time has been agreed. we pay our child minder €40 per day for minding one child. this includes meals.

Hope this helps.

beaushalloe

op try the childcare forums on www.rollercoaster.ie i think theirs info in the professional childcare section. most people charge the minium rate, but then it depends on the amount of hours, how many children and where you are located. you could also try your local childminding commitee for infomation.

Clare Bear

If you're minding the kids in their home then technically aren't you an employee so should expect the minimum wage per hour? Or am I wrong?

traceybere

My neighbour has her 2 children minded in her own home from 8-5

it costs €650 per month

nesf

Clare Bear wrote: »

If you're minding the kids in their home then technically aren't you an employee so should expect the minimum wage per hour? Or am I wrong?

I think you are wrong.

LolaDub

I don't know how the full time in home childminding works but i give my babysitter 12 per hour and it goes up between 15-20 after midnight. Thats about one day a week and maybe one night. If anybody in the d6w area wants to mid a 2 year old for minimum wage or thereabouts please contact me!

Clare Bear

nesf wrote: »

I think you are wrong.

Yeah I usually am but that's what I read.

nesf

Clare Bear wrote: »

Yeah I usually am but that's what I read.

Well, think of it this way, would a babysitter be considered an employee because they are working in your home?

Nevyn

There is a difference, a baby sitter is casually employed cash in hand.

A child minder must by the regulations mind the child in thier own home, if they are in the home of the child they are considered not to be self employed but in the employ of the childs parents, which has tax, insurance and prsi implications.

http://www.childminding.ie/faq.htm

kelle

traceybere wrote: »

My neighbour has her 2 children minded in her own home from 8-5

it costs €650 per month

Is that fulltime pay? Are they older children?

nesf

Thaedydal wrote: »

There is a difference, a baby sitter is casually employed cash in hand.

A child minder must by the regulations mind the child in thier own home, if they are in the home of the child they are considered not to be self employed but in the employ of the childs parents, which has tax, insurance and prsi implications.

http://www.childminding.ie/faq.htm

I stand corrected then.

Quality

I was paying €5 per hour per child to my childminder, that included meals..:)

littlebitdull

I was half thinking of taking up childminding myself.

Tell you the truth ... no way would I consider working 8-5 minding two children for only 650 a month - nor would I consider working for only 5 euro an hour. God you would want to be desperate for a bit of money ....

Its not like when your minding kids all day you have someone come and say - your on your lunch break now love, see you in an hour!! Its the most full time job you could ever take on.

SarahMc

traceybere wrote: »

My neighbour has her 2 children minded in her own home from 8-5

it costs €650 per month

Revenue will come a knocking soon. They are getting strict on this at the moment.

Maymay, you should get min. wage at least, and PRSI contributions paid. I'd seriously question working for them if they are trying to do this below the counter.

Any pay over and above min. wage is really down to where you are, your qualifications and experience.

bored and tired

i think it really depends on if you are minding in the childs home or your own, and if it is in your own home are you going to take on other children,
i live in a rural area and there isnt much notice taken to the guidlines re how many children you can mind.

at my home place the going rate is €100 pw full time, but they would have 5/6 children,

when i moved house i had to get a new childminder and she charged €150 pw fulltime and €100 pw after school, she had my little girl and 3 others afterschool, plus one full time. so she was getting €550 tax free pw during the school term, and €750 when they were on holidays,

she also charged if the child wasnt there, ie week holidays in the summer, christmas, and the odd few days when she was sick which i totally disagree with but thats another story. i know some people think you should pay minimum wage, but if your barely on that yourself, or have to pay a lot in petrol or diesel, your not going to be able to afford paying minimum wage to your childminder, especially when you would be paying for the 2 or 3 hours you spend commuting to work aswell.

beth-lou

Clare Bear wrote: »

If you're minding the kids in their home then technically aren't you an employee so should expect the minimum wage per hour? Or am I wrong?

You are right. If she is minding in their home they are her employer and have to look after all paperwork in relation to tax and prsi. I have to do it for my childminder.
If she is minding in her home she is self employed andhas to do all the paperwork and taxes herself.

I pay €430 a week for someone to come into my home. HTH.

madser

Quality wrote: »

I was paying €5 per hour per child to my childminder, that included meals..:)

5 euro an hour my God you should be ashamed of yourself:(

KatCookie

For a person with no actual training and is under 18, €5 is the going rate!!
but thats not fulltime of course!

littlebitdull

KatCookie wrote: »

For a person with no actual training and is under 18, €5 is the going rate!!
but thats not fulltime of course!

But surely no self respecting parent would be looking to employ a child (which is what you are if your under 18) with no training to look after what is supposted to be the most important people in their live.

KatCookie

firstly, not babies, and secondly, we are talking for about an two hours about.

laurak265

my mam minds my child for 400 euro a month! She was working part time so i pay her more than she was getting to stay home.

madser

laurak265 wrote: »

my mam minds my child for 400 euro a month! She was working part time so i pay her more than she was getting to stay home.

You still don't pay her very much tough:(

KatCookie

Well, it is her mother!
some parents would nearly do it for free!

madser

KatCookie wrote: »

For a person with no actual training and is under 18, €5 is the going rate!!
but thats not fulltime of course!

5 euro is not the going rate for child minding wheather you have experience or not, 15 euro is the going rate for cleaners and home helps so I think anyone who pays less than that for childminding needs to take a good hard look at themselves in the mirror, if you can't afford that then stay at home and look after your own children:eek:

Quality

madser wrote: »

5 euro an hour my God you should be ashamed of yourself:(

madser wrote: »

5 euro is not the going rate for child minding wheather you have experience or not, 15 euro is the going rate for cleaners and home helps so I think anyone who pays less than that for childminding needs to take a good hard look at themselves in the mirror, if you can't afford that then stay at home and look after your own children:eek:

Whats your problem?

My childminder set the rate of €5 per hour per child. (I have 2 children) She is over 18, a mother of 2 and passed her fetac level 5 in chidcare.


Would you actually like to answer the OP's question or are you just here to insult people...?

kelle

madser wrote: »

5 euro an hour my God you should be ashamed of yourself:(

My youngest child goes to a creche and their fulltime rate is e160, that's just over e3 per hour. That is a rate set by the owners of the creche, not me. So have I to hang my head in shame, and continue to seek childcare that will cost me more than e15 per hour just because you said so???????

KatCookie

+1
i think we can all agree that for childminding NOT in a creche, the lowest you should get paid is €5, but in a creche its a bit like when you buy in bulk its cheaper, they are minding children "in bulk" so thats why it works out at €3 or whatever!

can i point out that i'm available to work in the Kilkenny area! LoL!!!

kelle

madser wrote: »

5 euro is not the going rate for child minding wheather you have experience or not, 15 euro is the going rate for cleaners and home helps so I think anyone who pays less than that for childminding needs to take a good hard look at themselves in the mirror, if you can't afford that then stay at home and look after your own children:eek:

If every working mother had to pay a childminder e15 per hour to have one of their children minded (never mind each child), then mothers would not return to work and there would be no market for childcare.

beth-lou wrote: »

I pay €430 a week for someone to come into my home. HTH.

:eek::eek::eek::eek:
You must be earning a VERY high wage. My job would only leave me with only e20 at the end of the week if I paid that (and I am a professional)

bored and tired

madser wrote: »

5 euro is not the going rate for child minding wheather you have experience or not, 15 euro is the going rate for cleaners and home helps so I think anyone who pays less than that for childminding needs to take a good hard look at themselves in the mirror, if you can't afford that then stay at home and look after your own children:eek:

Madser, that is just plain insulting, not everyone is in high paying jobs where they would earn 15ph, never mind earning enough to enable them to be able to pay that to there childminder,.

if you want and can afford to pay that, then cudos to you, but i think the rest of us live in the real world,

to answer the ops question, than if you are going to be working for the parents in their home, then you are entitled at the very least to minimum wage, with them taking care of tax prsi, employers ins etc.

if you want to set yourself up in your own home minding a few peoples children, than it is up to you to work our an acceptable before tax wage for you,

for an example say you want 600pw. then if you had 4 children you could charge 150 per child per week. if you had 2 in the one family, and didnt want to charge them 300, you might mind them for 250, and mind the other children for 175 per week.

on an hourly basis per child it is affordable at around 3.50ph to the normal family, but as a collective, provides a decent wage for yourself.

now lets say you have 2 children yourself, factor in the cost you would have had of paying a childminder for them as a bonus, ie you would have to earn 850 pw before tax to pay the childminder 250 to get your 600.

Additional heating or food expences from minding children in your own home, would probably be covered if you were working elsewhere by the cost of petrol/diesel and parking charges or public transport, which depending on your commuting can be astronomical.

i hope that helps you, when working this out for yourself, base it on what you want as a wage, and how many children you are going to be minding, best of luck.

irishrobin

i pay my childminder 25 a day i know thats not much but the person is related and is happy with the money as they have there own child at home and is glad of the company for their child.
but i have a friend who works as a full time childminder and does earn up to 320.00 a week

beth-lou

kelle wrote: »

If every working mother had to pay a childminder e15 per hour to have one of their children minded (never mind each child), then mothers would not return to work and there would be no market for childcare.


:eek::eek::eek::eek:
You must be earning a VERY high wage. My job would only leave me with only e20 at the end of the week if I paid that (and I am a professional)

My wage is probably quite good and if I didn't have kids I'd be rich, but paying out childcare and mortgage leaves me with nothing.
No holidays, no new clothes, twice a year to the hairdresser..... Yes it's expensive, but I'm happy to pay it because the girls are at home and together, and can have friends over etc. We have had to make sacrifices, but we feel it's worth it. They are are most treasured possesions. We can't change the car for a few years, we shop in Lidl, we don't go out that much, but we have an amazing girl who loves our kids and gives them all the attention they need when i'm not there. We pt our first into creche and that was great, but now she's in school and needs to be dropped off and collected and to be honest to have one in creche and the other in afterschool wouldn't be that much cheaper. So it's a fairly tight few years ahead, but it will be worth it. If our finacial situation changes I will rethink it. I have considered giving up work and taking on kids myself. Who knows, I might just do it if the whole work life balance thing gets too much tilted to the work side.

I think everybody does the best they can in their given situation, and some people can't afford not to work. I think expecting all people to be able to afford €15 an hour is very unrealistic. We'd alll love to pay that out, but as has been said it is totally out of most peoples reach.

lostinnappies

beth-lou wrote: »

My wage is probably quite good and if I didn't have kids I'd be rich, but paying out childcare and mortgage leaves me with nothing.
No holidays, no new clothes, twice a year to the hairdresser..... Yes it's expensive, but I'm happy to pay it because the girls are at home and together, and can have friends over etc. We have had to make sacrifices, but we feel it's worth it. They are are most treasured possesions. We can't change the car for a few years, we shop in Lidl, we don't go out that much, but we have an amazing girl who loves our kids and gives them all the attention they need when i'm not there. We pt our first into creche and that was great, but now she's in school and needs to be dropped off and collected and to be honest to have one in creche and the other in afterschool wouldn't be that much cheaper. So it's a fairly tight few years ahead, but it will be worth it. If our finacial situation changes I will rethink it. I have considered giving up work and taking on kids myself. Who knows, I might just do it if the whole work life balance thing gets too much tilted to the work side.

I think everybody does the best they can in their given situation, and some people can't afford not to work. I think expecting all people to be able to afford €15 an hour is very unrealistic. We'd alll love to pay that out, but as has been said it is totally out of most peoples reach.

seriously, you would save a bundle by finding another childminder ... one who isnt quite that expensive, i think if they were to come into your home most childminders would accept 50 - 70euros per day. That would save you a bundle.

dollyk

too true , well said

miders

GOD what a debate!!!!!!
im a full time student midwife and my childminder works 25 hours in her home for 100 euro.i provide my daughters meals,nappies and toys.a creche didnt work out and my daughter is happy out. oh and the childminder is qualified and is a mother!

embee

150 euro per week for 8-5.30.... That was what the childminder decided on.

littlebug

How did I miss this thread first time round I'm assuming the people who are saying "hang your head in shame" etc are forgetting that the vast majority of childminders mind more than one child and a lot of parents have more than one child in childcare at any given time. My childminder can have anything up to 7 regulars and others on a now and again basis. She set the rate at 5 euro per hour per child 9 euro per hour for two. At worst she'll have 2 kids before and after school for 5 days and another before and after school for 3 days. That's already 300 just for the before and after school hours.
She also has 2 babies that she minds for the morning hours on 2-3 days each. Most weeks she will have at least one of mine for at least one morning and sometimes both for 3 or more full days plus another toddler for 1-2 mornings. It all adds up to a very reasonable income, particularly in the summer when the school aged kids are there all day.

raineydemo

Hi, on a related note, where would I go to start looking for a child minder in the dublin 15 area?

Clare Bear

raineydemo wrote: »

Hi, on a related note, where would I go to start looking for a child minder in the dublin 15 area?

rollercoaster.ie is a good place, look in the local childcare ads section and place an ad, you should get a few replies there.

Nevyn

raineydemo wrote: »

Hi, on a related note, where would I go to start looking for a child minder in the dublin 15 area?

I would suggest you call into any of the health clincs in roselawn or mountview one and ask to speak to the health nurse and she will have a list of those who are registered with the hse.

Other then that there are plenty of notices in and around the shops.

HashSlinging

Some people would do this while they are on the dole, or the "sick", or while they get carers allowance or all mentioned. So it can add up esp if you have 2 kids at 250 a week, and get another 2 for the same. think about it. 500 per week, plus dole etc. Better off than a lot (most) working parents.

deisemum

raineydemo wrote: »

Hi, on a related note, where would I go to start looking for a child minder in the dublin 15 area?

Childminder here,

Personal recommendation would be useful but it you cannot get recommendations then you could contact your local childcare committee and the childminding advisor should send you out a list of notified and voluntary notified childminders in your area.

Notified childminders are notified to the HSE and are inspected by the Pre-School Officer. They are allowed look after upto 5 children under 6 years old (I think this is will be changing to under 14) including their own children. Childminders looking after 4 or 5 children have a duty to notify the HSE.

Voluntary Notified childminders look after 3 or less children.

Notified and Voluntary notified childminders have to have insurance, occupational first aid.

Notified childminders have to be Garda vetted but there is such a backlog at the moment. I had to wait nearly 10 months to get a place on the vetting information session with Barnados. Then you apply and it's taking nearly 2 months to be processed.

Voluntary notified childminders don't have to be Garda vetted but if they want to then they can apply for it.

To be a member of Childminding Ireland you have to have a medical and have your GP declare you are healthy and mentally suitable to work with children.

The numbers in the regulations refer to how many children a childminder may look after at any one time. She may have a mixture of full and part-timers so could have 9 or 10 children on her books which is ok as long as she/he doesn't go over the numbers specified in the regulations at any one time.

I have had some children Mondays and Tuesdays only and different children Wednesday to Friday or some in the mornings and then different ones afterschool.

There are some childminders that are looking after 3 or less children and aren't notified or voluntary notified, they're not doing anything wrong as they fall outside the regulations.

There are lots of childminders looking after 4 or more children who are obliged to notify the HSE but they haven't notified anyone.

Currently there aren't any regulations for afterschool care.

raineydemo

Thanks alot for your help i'll do that.

LegacyUser

run_Forrest_run wrote: »

typically the cost may be based on a daily basis once an agreed drop off and collection time has been agreed. we pay our child minder €40 per day for minding one child. this includes meals.

Hope this helps.

You are absoutely right, in UK it is 50pounds per child a day which includes meals and soft drinks. The pay is 7 pounds an hour for a child if its on part time basis. Hope this helps.

LegacyUser

MayMay wrote: »

I am planning on looking for work as a childminder. I am going to meet a lady tomorrow who is looking for a childminder, full time to look after her 2 boys in their home. Just wondering what the going rate is? I have a couple of years experience in minding children but am not qualified. I've looked around online but can't seem to find much information on an hourly rate etc. Any advice would be appreciated as I know childcare costs are expensive for parents but at the same time I need to survive too so am unsure of what to expect to earn? Should I at the very least expect minimum wage per hour? Thank you.

therefore what should be looking for pay

LegacyUser

My partner is just starting out in childminding and wants to look after a child in the child's own home. She quoted someone €6 per hour cash-in-hand (the parents of the child wanted to pay cash in hand!) as the job included cooking, cleaning, laundry etc. She was told by the parents that this was way too much and wouldn't take her on as they couldn't afford her!

If someone is being paid cash-in-hand, surely €6 per hour would be the minimum amount to get paid especially as it includes doing housework aswell or am i just being naive here?!!

deisemum

minder partner wrote: »

My partner is just starting out in childminding and wants to look after a child in the child's own home. She quoted someone €6 per hour cash-in-hand (the parents of the child wanted to pay cash in hand!) as the job included cooking, cleaning, laundry etc. She was told by the parents that this was way too much and wouldn't take her on as they couldn't afford her!

If someone is being paid cash-in-hand, surely €6 per hour would be the minimum amount to get paid especially as it includes doing housework aswell or am i just being naive here?!!

€8.65 is the minimum wage and as she'd be an employee of the family as she'd be working in their home then that's what she'd be legally entitled to plus the family are legally obliged to register as employers with the Revenue and would be liable to pay the PRSI etc as well as holiday pay, they would also need to check their household insurance to make sure any employee in their home was covered.

tscul32

Sounds like they're expecting to pay the going rate for a chilminder, but in their own home. She should have pointed out to them that since it's in their home sh doesn't have the chance to take on other children to boost her earnings, hence the higher cost. They will be unlikely to find anyone to work for what they're hoping to pay (assuming it's considerably less than minimum wage).