Motor Tax for Occasional Use Vehicle

randomer

The new motor tax system penalises high performance / high emission vehicles.

I drive a low emissions vehicle as my daily driver, but I have been looking into buying a second car, a high performance car.

When I buy the second car, chances are I am going to have to pay €2,000 per annum in motor tax. Because I have to pay over €166 per month to tax the vehicle, I will be more likely to want to drive the car every day, in order to justify the €2,000. Therefore it may become my daily driver.

The amount of revenue that the government will collect based on the motor tax will remain the same, but I will be emitting more CO2 (for the purpose of the argument I am ignoring any duty or VAT that the government will collect on the fuel).

If the motor tax was based on a pay per use (by targeting the fuel), or there was a different rate of motor tax for occasional use vehicles (similar to the classic motor tax, with a requirement that it is a second car and a limited mileage) then this would result in less revenue being collected, but most importantly it would be better for the environment!

Anyone think the greens might take up on this idea?

its not about Co2, its about revenue and Europe.

I emailed the minister already nobody in Govt cares about you or me.

Tipsy Mac

Wtf has Europe got to do with it?

eringobragh

The old trick of trying to declare it 'off the road' won't work SOME of the cops have ANPR a while now. I've a garda mate that told me my reg was flagged several times :eek:

Seth Brundle

John Gormley has decided changed the motor tax rates to suit people like yourself who decide to keep the gas guzzler off the road - oh no wait, he hasn't!

eringobragh wrote: »

The old trick of trying to declare it 'off the road' won't work SOME of the cops have ANPR a while now. I've a garda mate that told me my reg was flagged several times :eek:

For what?

Tipsy Mac

eringobragh wrote: »

The old trick of trying to declare it 'off the road' won't work SOME of the cops have ANPR a while now.

They should try a touch of the old ANPR on their own personal cars

eringobragh

kbannon wrote: »

For what?

I did nothing wrong , The Car was spotted at various locations by ANPR it would appear they record these on the PULSE now!!!

I was given a location and datestamp of where my car had been 'snapped'

Steve

randomer wrote: »

or there was a different rate of motor tax for occasional use vehicles (similar to the classic motor tax, with a requirement that it is a second car and a limited mileage) then this would result in less revenue being collected, but most importantly it would be better for the environment!

Meh, it would only encourage clocking / disconnecting speedo cables to get around it.

Load the fuel and scrap road tax / VRT ftw - it'll never happen though.

daveharnett

SteveC wrote: »

Meh, it would only encourage clocking / disconnecting speedo cables to get around it.

Load the fuel and scrap road tax / VRT ftw - it'll never happen though.

Agree. Don't see why it couldn't be revenue neutral tbh. It would certainly seem to fit in with the green's 'the polluter pays' rhetoric.

The only problem I see is that the fuel smuggling 'industry' would become huge.

Esel

daveharnett wrote: »

The only problem I see is that the fuel smuggling 'industry' would become huger.

Fixed that for you.

Tipsy Mac

Tipsy Mac wrote: »

Wtf has Europe got to do with it?

Europe was kickin up about our VRT regime, so we changed it in such a way that it benefits ONLY those who can afford a new car

Cmar-Ireland

Just buy something pre '08 and you'll be taxed on the old cc system. Bit of a saving there.

daveharnett

Meh. TBH none of this is surprising. The change was based on utility, not ideals. The notion that that the change's purpose was to reward 'grener' drivers is misleading, of course. The actual purpose is to change the emissions profile of new cars being brought into the country, and there's nothing wrong with that, provided nobody tries to pretend that it's fair.

We should all buy 2007 RX8's. €300 a year to tax, and 284 g/km CO2. That's show em!
Wait. They'd have us on fuel tax then, wouldn't they.
Ah well

Beta Ray Bill

Unfortunatly dude you are stuck in a country were it is now even more expensive to own a new High Performance car. owning a high power car is now only for the rich and no longer the motor euthusiasts.

My advice.... Leave. I know I am

Cionád

esel wrote: »

Fixed that for you.

Huger, but also in the opposite direction.

ianobrien

Do what I did (and am doing again). Buy a Vintage car.

I know there's a bit more work involved, but some fast cars can be got/made (Ford Escort with a Duratec or Cosworth, or what I plan to do, Ford Granada with a Small Block Ford V8, 5litre!)....

Then, sit back and enjoy...

ninty9er

daveharnett wrote: »

We should all buy 2007 RX8's. €300 a year to tax, and 284 g/km CO2. That's show em!
Wait. They'd have us on fuel tax then, wouldn't they.
Ah well

€560 actually, but still cheaper than €2,000