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BENDYBINN

where was ciaran mcdonald when mayo needed him.No leaders on the field today!

Sherifu

They lost out by a point, ouch. I'll have to watch the highlights later.

Tristram

Mayo didn't need Ciaran today. That match was theirs for the taking and they bottled it. Same old same old it seems.

CyberDave

Same failings as always, kicking balls wide when they most needed scores. Colm O'Rourke made a good point in the analysis afterwards, he said that Mayo go out on the field with the view to playing football, as in man for man, they are not cynical enough. What he didn't say, but I concluded is, if they took a leaf out of Fermanaghs books, who despite their lack of resources still punch above their weight because of their playing style and tactics.

I don't think they really missed McDonald because they did create chances, it's just they couldn't convert them. If McDonald was playing he may well have missed scoring opportunities himself.

Mortimer had a great goal chance just into the second half, he should have scored. That miss really summed up the player really He can kick points from the sideline and will then make bad mistakes like the goal miss. He seems to make bad decisions regularly. He is more interested in looking good by trying the audacious than playing good football.

Zzippy

BENDYBINN wrote: »

where was ciaran mcdonald when mayo needed him.No leaders on the field today!

Give it a rest. He's a selfish glory hunter who doesn't do the right thing for the team. And they didn't lose today because he was missing, they lost because they couldn't take the chances they created. They made loads of chances and had a lot of wides.
Also thought the ref did them no favours, gave several dubious frees for picking the ball off the ground but didn't penalise obvious pushing in the back.

juvenal

I only saw the second half, and it seemed that Mayo were outmuscled and were tactically naive. It wasn't a great game from what I saw, and I saw some aimless, loose passing from both sides, and in the end Tyrone's tactics saw them through.

I don't think it's good enough to say that Mayo lacked the experience, as they've been in an All-Ireland Final in 2006, having beaten Dublin in a great, close game in the semis. It seems that they lost their wat in the second half, and some silly wides put paid to their chances.

As much as it pains me to say it, as I dislike the cynicism aspect, O'Rourke probably made a valid point. Mayo just seemed to lack the guile to kill off the match.

CyberDave

Zzippy wrote: »

Give it a rest. He's a selfish glory hunter who doesn't do the right thing for the team.

Mortimer is another one of these players. Alan Dillon is a far more productive than him and doesn't get half the credit. Sure Mortimer is good footballer but the glory hunter in him shines through to often, like McDonald.

DonkeyPokerTour

I watched the Mayo match in croke park today so I have no idea what the analysist's said. Also just to let everyone know I'm from Wicklow so have no particular loyalty to either side.

Mayo were guilty of a lot of terrible wides in both half's and in the end it cost them. However I have to say that I thought the referee was an absolute disgrace. He seemed to favour Tyrone in every decision. The lack of consistency was absolutely shocking. In one instance he blew a Mayo player for a pick up, when it was shown again on the big screen it was a pick up but the player did make an attempt to put his toe to it. But from the resulting free Tyrone went down the other end of the pitch and one of their corner forwards clear as day picked the ball off the ground, not even attempting to put his toe to it, and the ref gave nothing. I also felt he refereed the breakdown horribly, he was asking for someone to get injured.

But at the end of the day inspite of the referee being horrible, Mayo had more than enough chances to put Tyrone away and they simply didn't take them and it cost them in the end.

Regards
Ian

CyberDave

DonkeyPokerTour wrote: »

I watched the Mayo match in croke park today so I have no idea what the analysist's said. Also just to let everyone know I'm from Wicklow so have no particular loyalty to either side.

Mayo were guilty of a lot of terrible wides in both half's and in the end it cost them. However I have to say that I thought the referee was an absolute disgrace. He seemed to favour Tyrone in every decision. The lack of consistency was absolutely shocking. In one instance he blew a Mayo player for a pick up, when it was shown again on the big screen it was a pick up but the player did make an attempt to put his toe to it. But from the resulting free Tyrone went down the other end of the pitch and one of their corner forwards clear as day picked the ball off the ground, not even attempting to put his toe to it, and the ref gave nothing. I also felt he refereed the breakdown horribly, he was asking for someone to get injured.

But at the end of the day inspite of the referee being horrible, Mayo had more than enough chances to put Tyrone away and they simply didn't take them and it cost them in the end.

I'll have to agree with you on this one. Lots of 50:50 decisions seemed to go against Mayo and the lack of consistency with his calls were poor as well. There was one occasion in the second half when Mayo were attacking and the player in possession was fouled around the 21 but he had delivered a pass to one of his team mates inside who was in on goal, the ref blew it up straight away when he sould have played the advantage. Mayo did more than enough otherwise to loose this match, by kicking all those wides.

Avns1s

DonkeyPokerTour wrote: »

I watched the Mayo match in croke park today so I have no idea what the analysist's said. Also just to let everyone know I'm from Wicklow so have no particular loyalty to either side.

Mayo were guilty of a lot of terrible wides in both half's and in the end it cost them. However I have to say that I thought the referee was an absolute disgrace. He seemed to favour Tyrone in every decision. The lack of consistency was absolutely shocking. In one instance he blew a Mayo player for a pick up, when it was shown again on the big screen it was a pick up but the player did make an attempt to put his toe to it. But from the resulting free Tyrone went down the other end of the pitch and one of their corner forwards clear as day picked the ball off the ground, not even attempting to put his toe to it, and the ref gave nothing. I also felt he refereed the breakdown horribly, he was asking for someone to get injured.

But at the end of the day inspite of the referee being horrible, Mayo had more than enough chances to put Tyrone away and they simply didn't take them and it cost them in the end.

Regards
Ian

I agree with Ian. While I am biased, I was at the match and the ref was depolrable. I do think Mayo bottled it. They were lucky not to be two goals down 15 mins into the match but they were there or thereabouts at the finish and if they took their chances they could have taken the match. It would probably have been an unfair result on Tyrone though. They fought harder and smarter than Mayo.

Kojak

Mayo once again shot themselves in the foot today. The match was theirs for the taking at the beginning of the second half, and all they could do was kick wide after wide when the posts were at their mercy.

McDonald wouldn't have any difference to them today - he couldn't help it if Kilcoyne. Moran etc. were missing the target from 21 yards out.

Tyrone weren't overly convincing IMO either and will have to up their scoring rate if they want to progress in the championship. Also, as a neutral, I thought the ref had a shockingly bad game. He penalised for picking the ball up off the ground too many times, while often let blatent fouls (i.e. a push on the back) go un-punished.

Blackjack

DonkeyPokerTour wrote: »

I watched the Mayo match in croke park today so I have no idea what the analysist's said. Also just to let everyone know I'm from Wicklow so have no particular loyalty to either side.

Mayo were guilty of a lot of terrible wides in both half's and in the end it cost them. However I have to say that I thought the referee was an absolute disgrace. He seemed to favour Tyrone in every decision. The lack of consistency was absolutely shocking. In one instance he blew a Mayo player for a pick up, when it was shown again on the big screen it was a pick up but the player did make an attempt to put his toe to it. But from the resulting free Tyrone went down the other end of the pitch and one of their corner forwards clear as day picked the ball off the ground, not even attempting to put his toe to it, and the ref gave nothing. I also felt he refereed the breakdown horribly, he was asking for someone to get injured.

But at the end of the day inspite of the referee being horrible, Mayo had more than enough chances to put Tyrone away and they simply didn't take them and it cost them in the end.

Regards
Ian

I'm glad someone else saw this too.
To be honest, Mayo simply weren't playing a cynical game, and that along with the number of wides is what cost them, althought Tyrone had a similar number of wides if I'm not mistaken. I'm really annoyed about the ref not allowing the advantage when Mortimer was being fouled, particularly when he allowed the foul to carry on and after Mortimer had passed he decided to blow the whistle - that amongst many, many other decisions that were questionable.
Hardly any point turning up when the referee is going to give ever decision to favour the other team.

blackbelt

Yes I too thought Coldrick (the referee) had a bad game.He seemed to be over fussy on the pickups and for me it seemed that when a defender picked it up,he let it go but once a forward did it he gave it out.

A lot of other decisions like pushing went unpunished and I thought he could have let Mayo one more scoring opportunity towards the end with all the time wasting on the sideline.

I think at the most,Mayo deserved to draw but certainly not win.Andy Moran was not at the races and CMort missed so many chances.The Mayo half forwards were guilty of over-elaborating their attacking play to get scores while Tyrone just seemed to be able to pick them off easily.Parsons seemed to play for 10 minutes and then disappear for another 15 minutes before re-appearing.I thought Dillon and Nallen played well and did their best as well as Kilcoyne.I'm nearly certain that we have seen the last of David Heaney playing for Mayo.

As for Tyrone,they didn't look like an All-Ireland winning side.They lacked leadership like Mayo did and Mayo are not really noted for their strong starts but Mayo played well in the 1st half that I was thinking Tyrone could lose this game.From what I saw,Dooher had a very quiet game while Mickey Harte employed Sean Cavanagh out to midfield for long periods of the second half.

I thought the Mulligan substitution was very clever.Mickey Harte must have thought that Mayo thought Tyrone were going to sit back and defend,so he brought on an attacker and it proved the difference in the end.

I have a funny feeling that Dublin will draw Tyrone in tonights draw.

nacho libre

Tristram wrote: »

Mayo didn't need Ciaran today. That match was theirs for the taking and they bottled it. Same old same old it seems.

Perrhaps he might have converted some of those missed chances. Has he ever got crucial scores for Mayo in the past? I do seem to recall him scoring some lovely points in the past when it mattered. One minor complaint about the ref; Tyrone were holding on to the ball at the end and the ref did not give Mayo extra yards for Tyrone obstructing play.

yop

2 very bads today, 1 was Mayo and the other was the ref, Mayo bottled it, again the side line was bad, Cunniffe is not a full back, and he was the cause of at least 2 scores.
Kilcoyne was very poor, why wasnt Austin O'Malley in there, he had a bad enough Connaught but always plays very well in Croker.

The ref on the other had was so biased towards Tyrone it was embarrassing, must have a few hangup over some Mayo V Meath matches or someit! Mortimer was assaulted on 2 occassions and he got nothing. BUT he also let a few fouls on Tyrone players go as well.

Not that the ref should have made any difference, we kicked it wide and bottled it again.

As for the crowd, it was brutal, no atmosphere, and if they had these games outside of Croker I guarantee there would have been much better atmosphere and definately more than 27000.

DonkeyPokerTour

yop wrote: »

2 very bads today, 1 was Mayo and the other was the ref, Mayo bottled it, again the side line was bad, Cunniffe is not a full back, and he was the cause of at least 2 scores.
Kilcoyne was very poor, why wasnt Austin O'Malley in there, he had a bad enough Connaught but always plays very well in Croker.

The ref on the other had was so biased towards Tyrone it was embarrassing, must have a few hangup over some Mayo V Meath matches or someit! Mortimer was assaulted on 2 occassions and he got nothing. BUT he also let a few fouls on Tyrone players go as well.

Not that the ref should have made any difference, we kicked it wide and bottled it again.

As for the crowd, it was brutal, no atmosphere, and if they had these games outside of Croker I guarantee there would have been much better atmosphere and definately more than 27000.

If you think the atmosphere was bad for the Mayo match (the last one) you should have been there for the 1st Match. Which for me was probably the best match in terms of entertainment. End to end stuff, with 4 goals and plenty of well taken scores. However it took place in front of a crowd of maybe 4000-6000. Personally I think it would have been much better off played in either Wicklow or Antrim, either way with it being the long weekend people could have made a weekend of it, going off friday evening coming home on Sunday. Plus even if there was only the same number of fans there, 4000-6000 in Aughrim, or to a lesser extend Casement Park, would have had twice the atmosphere of Croker. Heck even split the difference and held it in Dundalk or somewhere like that. But its a bad sign though when 6 teams cant even bring 5000 fans each to a match!

Regards
Ian

yop

That is true Ian, but todays attendance is 40000, big difference. I do think that the Mayo "attitude" has changed, there are a good lot of "hardcore" fans who are sick of fruitless trips to Corker, yesterday been another prime example.
Mayo are missing a leader at the minute, both on and off the pitch. I am not sure where it will come from on the pitch, I think O'Mahoney is gone to be honest, he used the Mayo managers job for his own ends, he has achieved those, and personally I feel that maybe the players feel this also, look at their lack of heart yesterday.

I maybe slated for some of them statements, but thats what I feel. If Mickey Moran was in charge, the result would not have happened, as we would have won the Connacht Title.

51fun

I think there has been an elephant in the room, all Summer long, and that is Ciaran McDonald's exclusion from the Mayo panel. Why a man of McDonald's ability and talent has been omitted from the Mayo panel baffles me.

In late April McDonald did a rare interview with Martin Brehony of the Irish Independent, in this he made it clear his desire to continue to play for Mayo. He also cleared up any injury doubts that there may have been. The following day O'Mahony was questioned about McDonald he said "the door was always open to any Mayo player to rejoin the Mayo panel as the Championship progressed".

In the meantime, McDonald's club form was as good as it ever has been. Mayo go on to lose a Connaught final to Galway in a game in which in the dying moments Mayo had a chance to draw the game, a free kick from about thirty yards out, an opportunity taken by Conor Mortimer, who clearly, to all watching, didn't have the power to deliver from this distance, and as a result Mayo were sent down the qualifier route that brought us to yesterday's game against Tyrone. Similar frees arose in which Mayo took the short kick option, which resulted in Tyrone's defence smothering up the resultant attack.

As to why JOM didn't think McDonald merited a place in the panel of thirty players, just doesn't add up for me. I think every other team in Ireland would love to have a player of McDonald's ability in their ranks. It's a sad day for Mayo football if McDonald's career is over due to O'Mahony's stance.:mad:

homerjay2005

doesnt matter whether he played or not, mayo are not and will not be, good enough to win the all ireland. 15 mcdonals would not win them a sam, cos as a county when it comes to the big days, they lack the most important thing of all, balls.

nacho libre

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kevmy

Let the Mac thing rest he didn't make the mistakes out on the pitch on Sat and neither did O'Mahoney a lot of players didn't play to potential (Moran, BJP) and some just not ready for senior intercounty (Kilcoyne, Campbell).

As for giving out about C Mort he got 1-4 out of 1-9 and was fouled for 2 easy frees in front of goals which Dillon popped over. Thats 1-6 coming pretty much directly off him. Having said that he isn't a good enough player to do things on his own. Neither is Dillon. Thats no disrespect to the lads there are very few players in the country capable of winning matches on their own but too often when the heat comes on it's down to the two lads. Moran, O'Malley and Kilcoyne have all flattered to disceve this year but wilted when the heat came on.

On the plus side Parsons, Higgins and Howley showed their is some good young talent coming through. And when a once a generation player like Pierce Hanley goes to Oz your always in trouble

aidan24326

Whatever about O'Mahoney, this Mayo team is not good enough anyway. Same old same old last Saturday, forwards passing the hot potato around and then kicking it wide. A while back a Mayo lad was telling me that Austin O'Malley would be a great player, top forward he said. Not much evidence of it from what I've seen.

Moran, O'Malley, Kilcoyne are only average forwards at this level. I agree with other posters that McDonald surely warranted a place in the panel of 30. All county panels have a few players just making up the numbers, players who will see little or no game time. Surely to god McDonald could have been there ahead of one or two of those lads. Had he came on with 10 mins to go on Saturday who knows, he might just have got that vital extra score.

O'Mahoney's reign has thus far been a bit like that of Loughnane for Galway hurlers, much hype and fanfare but nothing to show for it after two very disappointing seasons.

thisisireland

mayo for sam 2012

wp_rathead

thisisireland wrote: »

mayo for sam 2012

this 4 year old thread was needed to be revived for that great input there:pac: