Lush Lashes

Collie D

Now, usually I don't do this. I usually find it extremely annoying when someone does their cash and demands that the jockey be publicly flogged.


But, can anyone tell me what Kevin Manning was doing today? Still stunned sitting here. And yes I am talking through my pocket :mad:

00dyel

Manning, did nothing wrong, no gaps appeared, when they did, Lush lashes didnt quicken, eventually did and went for inside, got squeezed, switched again and narrowly lost. An unlucky loser but not Mannings fault i dont think.

Collie D

Suppose you could be right, I'm just a bit hacked off. I'm usually a fan of his, thought he was great on New Approach in the Derby even though he cost me a hefty whack that day as I backed Tartan Bearer.

Still think though that it was a slow pace so he maybe should have expected some crowding when everyone tried to quicken at once. Ah well, he'll probably do me a favour another time. All evens out I hope

BobbyD10

Didn't have a bet in the race but I think he may have been in a bad place with a slowly run race. On the rail is not ideal. I think he actually dropped the reins inside the final couple of furlongs too. I'd say if you asked him he want the race back again and run it differently, but thats racing tactics do come into it and Murtagh seems to have mastered it recently along with being on great horses.

WHIP IT!

00dyel wrote: »

Manning, did nothing wrong, no gaps appeared, when they did, Lush lashes didnt quicken, eventually did and went for inside, got squeezed, switched again and narrowly lost. An unlucky loser but not Mannings fault i dont think.

I'm not so sure, I think he was a little slow in following Murtagh. Split second that cost him. He should've been right on Johnny's tail.

Small margins in these big races, eh.

cson

Having watched it a few times I don't think Manning did too much wrong. I'd a bit on it myself and at the time I thought he lost it for me. But looking at it again, he tried to go up the rail when there was a clear gap and got unluckily closed off, switched out and to be honest Lush Lashes didn't really get going until the finishing post. He tried to get her going earlier in the race (around 3f out) but she didn't respond much at all.

pro_gnostic_8

I think that backers of Lush Lashes are justified in feeling unhappy with Manning's performance today.
After being boxed in he goes down much of the straight he then goes for a gap on the rails that wasn't there. Lush Lashes runs into trouble three or four times during the race and Kevin at a crucial stage drops the reins.
Lush Lashes could have won this race under a more judicious ride.

Shan75

The top class jockeys have a knack of getting in the right place.Murtagh has shown that a few times this week.However sometimes even a good jockey can get it wrong.I'd imagine Manning will know he should have ridden the race differently but to be fair to him Ted Durcan's sole objective in the race was to keep him boxed in which he did very well.If only he was as good at tying to win races as he is at stopping others races Passage of Time might have had a chance of winning.Stupid from Durcan or possibly Cecil if those were the riding instructions knowing he was on filly who stays 12 furlongs not to test the stamina of the others.Then again maybe Passage of Time simply isn't good enough to beat the other two.

cson

You have to realise how fast races on the flat are too, its very easy to judge watching from the armchair but in the saddle is a different story > you're talking about split second decision making. Manning went inside for the rail and got blocked off. Had Passage Of Time not hung right into the rail, Lush Lashes would have gone up the inside and more than likely won. Then again, she didn't quicken until right at the finishing post.

Johnny Murtagh gave Halfway To Heaven a good ride but tbh I think he just got lucky that Lush Lashes didn't get a clear run, because Manning seemed to have more underneath him.

For anyone doubting whether Manning is a good jock or not, have a look at the 2008 Derby.

Collie D

cson wrote: »

For anyone doubting whether Manning is a good jock or not, have a look at the 2008 Derby.

I'm not doubting his abilities at all. I actually used the Derby as an example of his talents. Great ride that day that cost me a few on the second. Just thought his judgement yesterday was a bit off the mark.

I think most on here are agreed it was a poor ride from a usualy top class jock. You should see the stick he's getting on the Betfair forum

Morgans

Best horse lost. Manning unlucky, made the wrong decisions. The best jockeys make fewer than average. Shouldnt take away from the fantastic ride Murtagh gave the winner. Carried her over the line.

istabraq

Kevin Manning knew he was on the best horse all he had to do was come down the outside an he would have won by four lenghts.Don't complicate things when you don't have to.

00dyel

A Group 1 race normally is run at a furious gallop, therefore Manning decided to settle the horse behind Halfway to Heaven and keep her completly covered up, this race however then turned out to be really slow, Kevin Manning wasnt to know this before the race. What did you want Manning to do, barge through horses and go to the outside?

pro_gnostic_8 You say that Manning went for a gap up the inside that wasnt there- it was there, but then it got closed very quickly by a hanging horse. Some Jockeys would have then given up but no Manning went for another gap which worked but just didnt get there in time.

Collie D- Manning will obviously get blamed on Betfair, its a betting website, so everyone who was on it will be annoyed.

Too many armchair jockeys complaining, i think its your wallet talking and NOT your brain.

theheartofalion

Kevin manning has proven himself to be a top jockey and this criticism is unfair. From the position he found himself in and all the changing he had to do, I would argue that it was excellent horsemanship to get lush lashes up to second and if the race was a hundred yards longer, he would have got her up to win. It was a good ride in difficult circumstances imo.

Shan75

The criticism on this thread is not unfair at all.Nobody is saying he's a bad jockey but that he could have ridden this race differently.Murtagh said after the race he would have reigned in his mount if there was a lot of pace but because nobody bothered to go to the front to apply pressure he was allowed to set a snail's pace up front.The thing is he gave himself the option.Manning didn't do this and just had to hope for luck.If a jockey puts himself in a position where he is trusting to luck you can hardly describe it as a good ride no matter what the outcome.Manning must be pretty decent to be stable jockey for Bolger as I'm sure if he was consistently making errors he would be gotten rid of despite the family connection.However it's that extra special awareness, pro-action/reaction and judgement that separate the premier jockeys like Murtagh from the good ones like Manning.

Morgans

Manning deserves criticism. Had he stayed and waited for the gap outside Halfway to Heaven (even inside the final furlong) rather than go for a closing gap up the inner he would have won. When he tried for that gap between 2f and 1f, it didnt open, paniced and went inside. Poor ride.

Some criticisms of jockeys is way over the top - a quick check on betfair would see that - but theheartofalion is going too far the other way in a jockey's defence. Talking though your pocket (I didnt have a bet) doesnt mean that you cant be objective. As for a gambled on favourite in a group 1, you would hope that if you are beaten, it is by a better horse and not a poor ride.

Swop the jockeys on the first two horses and you get a different result. I dont think there is a jockey alive riding better than Murtagh at the moment.

WHIP IT!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVnjWlVG0uA

Having just watched it again, I'm even more sure Manning got his horse beat. Like the last poster, I think he's a top jock', but - it's thing like this that seperate Murtagh, Fallon (pre-coke days!) and Detorri from Manning, Moore etc.

Like a golfer, who's greatness will be judged by how he played in the Majors, a jockey should be judged by how he rode in the really big ones.

Mont

WHIP IT! wrote: »

www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVnjWlVG0uA

Having just watched it again, I'm even more sure Manning got his horse beat. Like the last poster, I think he's a top jock', but - it's thing like this that seperate Murtagh, Fallon (pre-coke days!) and Detorri from Manning, Moore etc.

Like a golfer, who's greatness will be judged by how he played in the Majors, a jockey should be judged by how he rode in the really big ones.

Get real - Dettori isnt a patch on Fallon and Murtagh

Morgans

Dettori when his mind is on the job is probably the best there is. He showed that when chasing down Fallon for his last jockeys title (2004). Fallon looked to have an unassailable lead at one stage. Hunger has gone from him now, and probably before had been before then also. Was captain on Question of Sport before his last win. Too many kids at this stage.

Murtagh is probably the best grp1 jockey about now. Rarely loses when on the best horse in a group race. Wouldnt want to rely on him getting one home in fourth place to get up an each way accum at Sligo.

Colonel Sanders

Best horse lost. Going for the gap up the rails was the wrong move as there was plenty of room on the jockey's left hand side.

Bad ride but you can't hang a man for making a mistake