03 Honda Accord Diesel - Fuel Pump problem

mcirl2

hi,
I own a 03 Honda Accord TDCI 2.2 Diesel 75k.

About a month ago it gave trouble starting. When it was cold it would usually start by keeping the key turned for maybe 5-6 seconds but after a drive it was v hard to start and often didnt start at all. You had to leave it for maybe 10-15 minutes to try again. Also - the acceleration has deteriorated a good bit.

Brought it to a main dealers and they have been checking it out for the past week and have said that the fuel pump and 2 injectors need replacing.

The whole lot will cost 4000 euro!!! This seems v expensive but I don't know much about diesels.

Does this sound like a fair price for replacing a pump and the 2 injectors. Also - I have dealt with the dealers before - they are a small family garage and have a good rep so I trust them.

I would really appreciate some advice as about whether this price is fair or not.

Thanks,

Mike

Darragh29

mcirl2 wrote: »

hi,
I own a 03 Honda Accord TDCI 2.2 Diesel 75k.

About a month ago it gave trouble starting. When it was cold it would usually start by keeping the key turned for maybe 5-6 seconds but after a drive it was v hard to start and often didnt start at all. You had to leave it for maybe 10-15 minutes to try again. Also - the acceleration has deteriorated a good bit.

Brought it to a main dealers and they have been checking it out for the past week and have said that the fuel pump and 2 injectors need replacing.

The whole lot will cost 4000 euro!!! This seems v expensive but I don't know much about diesels.

Does this sound like a fair price for replacing a pump and the 2 injectors. Also - I have dealt with the dealers before - they are a small family garage and have a good rep so I trust them.

I would really appreciate some advice as about whether this price is fair or not.

Thanks,

Mike

Is there much smoke coming from the exhaust???

caesar

If you gave us a breakdown of the overall €4000 it might be helpful. If the parts are very expensive maybe you could go down the route of sourcing them yourself. I'm not sure what the dealers position would be in relation to you sourcing your own parts though.

Anyway sure give us a breakdown of that 4K and you're sure to get more replies

BrianD3

High pressure diesel pumps for modern diesels are often extremely expensive. So I'm not *that* surprised to hear a figure of 4000 being quoted by a main dealer.

Here's a 2nd hand pump on ebay. Will be interesting to see how much this goes for (99p at the moment)
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Honda-high-pressure-diesel-pump_W0QQitemZ160267474389QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item160267474389&_trkparms=72%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14.l1318

niceirishfella

This quote seems a bit OTT even without a breakdown.

bazz26

Sounds very expensive to me even from a main dealer. You could probably get a complete reconditioned engine for less.

Darragh29

caesar wrote: »

If you gave us a breakdown of the overall €4000 it might be helpful. If the parts are very expensive maybe you could go down the route of sourcing them yourself. I'm not sure what the dealers position would be in relation to you sourcing your own parts though.

Anyway sure give us a breakdown of that 4K and you're sure to get more replies

Next time you fancy a Mc Donalds you should try popping into LIDL or ASDA and picking up a bag of spuds, peeling them, chopping them up into chips and asking the Mc Donalds guy/girl behind the counter to fry them for you, and see what they say to ya! Why do people try this with garages and nowhere else???

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

OP, you should go to a diesel shop and get the injectors removed & tested. With the economy as it is, I wouldn't be paying a garage 4K for anything at the moment without getting a second opinion. Many gargages are empty at the present, just be careful... I think it would be more usual for a garage to say, "look, we need to replace injectors and that might resolve the issue, but be warned that we might have to subsequently change the fuel pump". Did they remove the injectors and test them??? I doubt it, so be careful...

paddy

Darragh29 wrote: »

Next time you fancy a Mc Donalds you should try popping into LIDL or ASDA and picking up a bag of spuds, peeling them, chopping them up into chips and asking the Mc Donalds guy/girl behind the counter to fry them for you, and see what they say to ya! Why do people try this with garages and nowhere else???

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Bag of spuds = E4.00
Peeler = E2.00
Knife = E3.00
_____
E9.00

2*Injectors+Fuel pump+Labour=E4000.00

Seems a bit of a difference to me, the garage should be able to figure out what the exact problem is, not guess & bill accordingly.Why not pop into garage & ask them to define exact problem & replace what's broken not what might be broken.:pac:

Darragh29

paddy wrote: »

Darragh29 wrote: »

Next time you fancy a Mc Donalds you should try popping into LIDL or ASDA and picking up a bag of spuds, peeling them, chopping them up into chips and asking the Mc Donalds guy/girl behind the counter to fry them for you, and see what they say to ya! Why do people try this with garages and nowhere else???

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Bag of spuds = E4.00
Peeler = E2.00
Knife = E3.00
_____
E9.00

2*Injectors+Fuel pump+Labour=E4000.00

Seems a bit of a difference to me, the garage should be able to figure out what the exact problem is, not guess & bill accordingly.Why not pop into garage & ask them to define exact problem & replace what's broken not what might be broken.:pac:

It doesn't work like that unfortunately. You could have two seperate problems (in your case this could have been caused by using dodgy diesel fuel or you might not have had fuel filters replaced when scheduled, you might not even be aware this is the case if you live near the border in the case of bad fuel). Convention/best practice in a situation like this where costs can literally spiral and possibly multiple problems are involved, is to identify what the least expensive problem is first, resolve that and see if there is another problem, then resolve that if it exists, but before you do anything, discusss your approach with the customer and keep them informed and in particular, if there is a worst case scenario regarding a 4K bill, be sure they are on board and are making the decision at all times. If you had your injectors removed and tested, this would shed some light on the problem...

maidhc

The problem is the repair solution main dealers get is to replace everything, and replace them with new parts.

Most injectors can now be reconditioned, and cost less than half the price. I would suggest ringing diesel injection systems in cashel and find out if there is any good specialist near you.

anthony4335

I replaced the lift pump on a mondeo last year and it cost me nearly 1000 euro , and I have been told that the injectors are very expensive, I think some one said they were about 1000 each however I cannot confirm this. Get a second opinion and cost the parts from a motor factors to see what kind of mark up they are adding on. I think that 75k is very little to show these kind of problems, however you may have been the victim of dodgy fuel, or just not servicing your car correctly.

gibbon75

The injector pump is €1972.59 + VAT
The injector is €236.95 + VAT each
Fuel filter is €30 + VAT

So the cost of the parts alone (incl. VAT) is €3000

The labour in our dealership is €75+VAT (13%),don't know how much at other Honda dealers.
To replace the pump is pain in the arse (it's chain driven),but a €1000 for labour still...
We never sold an injector for diesel Accords,not to mention the injection pump.
But I'm not saying it can't be the problem.

funlovncriminal

Gibbon I am living in Carrigaline and am considering travelling to the north and importing a second hand honda accord diesel. I would be grateful if you could give me any info on ur experiance with hondas diesel engine have you had any more trouble other than the injectors and fuel pump?
Thanks

Esel

Loads of washed diesel in the north, risky to buy a diesel there!

gibbon75

funlovincriminal

They don't give much trouble.
The early models sometimes suffered from cracked exhaust manifolds.You can't really feel the loss of power,just a weird noise from the area of the manifold (around €300 incl.gaskets etc. + labour).
We had 2-3 diesel Accords with noisy timing chains,and only one with turbo failure (but that one had a dodgy service history and they didn't use proper engine oil,long service intervals etc.)
Other then these few exceptions (and that's really a few..)we only sell filters,brake pads,rear antirollbar bushes etc. for Accords.
Just make sure you use genuine Honda filters (they cheap enough),change the fuel filter at every 60k miles.For diesel Hondas we use only Honda branded 0w-30 engine oil.It's not dearer than any other good quality oil out there.

Are you doing big mileage or just fancy a diesel?
Because I would rather buy a petrol one (it's cheaper) and that's really bulletproof I can't recall if ever had to order parts for a petrol Accord other than service stuff or body parts...

Make sure you got every key with the car,because a new one (incl. coding) would cost you €300-350

gibbon75

I stand corrected:

I've checked the old records the other day and we had a handfull of diesel Accords with injection pump problems (but that's going back to 04-05).
Still a lot better than new Land Rovers: I order 5-6 pumps a MONTH

juggy_d

mcirl2 , Have you had any luck getting this problems fixed, I have a 2004 accord i-ctdi, and I am experiencing similar problems. many thanks

Esel

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111

Hi there

I am thinking of buying an accord also..Just wondering if you had any luck getting it fixed .. Would you recommend one ?

Regards

maartenk80

Hello Gibbon,

My honda accord tourer diesel from 2004 with 130 k mile has noisy timing chains. According to my Honda dealer the timing chain mechanism has to be replaced to prevent further engine damage. During this replacement it might be possible that the injectors will be damaged which makes it necessary to replace them also. Total price of this repair will be 2200 _3300 euro depending on these injectors. Do you think this diagnosis is correct or could this rattling also be caused by wrong oil pressure which is necessary for a correct pre tensions of the chains?

Do you have any idea how this failure can happen. (wrong maintainance, wrong use, design failure)

Thanks in advance.

Best regards,
Maarten

gibbon75 wrote: »

funlovincriminal

They don't give much trouble.
The early models sometimes suffered from cracked exhaust manifolds.You can't really feel the loss of power,just a weird noise from the area of the manifold (around €300 incl.gaskets etc. + labour).
We had 2-3 diesel Accords with noisy timing chains,and only one with turbo failure (but that one had a dodgy service history and they didn't use proper engine oil,long service intervals etc.)
Other then these few exceptions (and that's really a few..)we only sell filters,brake pads,rear antirollbar bushes etc. for Accords.
Just make sure you use genuine Honda filters (they cheap enough),change the fuel filter at every 60k miles.For diesel Hondas we use only Honda branded 0w-30 engine oil.It's not dearer than any other good quality oil out there.

Are you doing big mileage or just fancy a diesel?
Because I would rather buy a petrol one (it's cheaper) and that's really bulletproof I can't recall if ever had to order parts for a petrol Accord other than service stuff or body parts...

Make sure you got every key with the car,because a new one (incl. coding) would cost you €300-350

galwaytt

....wow, two dead Honda threads !

Time to plug Skoda again, methinks....:D